Michael Jackson innocent or not??

You make good points but there's a reason why the results of lie detector tests aren't admitted in court - they aren't reliable.

The man is dead, leave it alone.

Theres an old scientific saying: "Absence of proof is not proof of absence".

So I'm fully aware that we'll never be able to say exactly what Jackson did with any particular little boy at any given moment, as the only witnesses to possible crimes are dead or were children at the time.

But I still wouldnt let a child near Jackson, or near anyone with his habits. You may need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict someone in a court of law, but to protect a child what you need is to have a fucking clue about how pedophiles present. IMHO that is how the average person needs to think anout pedophilia, the only time thinking like a juror is appropriate is when you're actually on a jury.

I've seen all the info while arguing this case back and forth on IMDb for years. MJ fans are like the crazy Trump fans and crazy Trump haters -- they're willing to hound people, throw dead pets on their yards, send death threats, the works. If these two spoke up to get attention, they'd be crazy, since everyone knows -- and they in particular know -- what MJ's diehard fans will do to people. The first kid who spoke up and received a pay off had to run to Europe to get away from the crazies.

Would it be worth it if it wasn't true? No.

Just because MJ dodged going to prison doesn't mean he's innocent. Innocent people don't get accused of child molesting, pay off the accusers, then keep having the "special friends" around. That speaks of compulsive behavior of the type one sees in child molesters. In the end, yes, he finally gave up the "special friends" -- so far as we know -- I think because people did a severe intervention on him and convinced him that next time he likely wouldn't be so lucky. If he still wanted a career or a positive legacy, he was going to have to quit with the "special friends" -- and bribing the parents with outlandish gifts so they'd keep pimping out their kids.

All the arguments of innocence fall flat except ONE: The FBI investigated him for ten years and found no evidence of child molestation. Not that the FBI couldn't make mistakes. Looking back, they shouldn't have allowed 9/11 to happen, as many red flags as went up. So even that argument doesn't prove anything.

None of his fans can do a good job of explaining away the pay-offs, the compulsion, and even the stuff he's copped to, like giving wine to kids and calling it "Jesus Juice." Clearly not a nice man that we want children to be around. Add the pay offs to that and the compulsive need to have his "special friends," and you've got what walks, acts, and sounds like a child molester.

I just got molested by MJ when I looked at his profile pic on MC. I never felt so violated in my life.

Nope, not innocent!

Not.