Obviously he could have had all the casual, consensual sex that he wanted but that’s not what he wanted. He wanted to take it without consent. That was his thing.
Why?
I think he hates women and he was getting off on inflicting trauma and confusion.
I wouldn't go so far as to say he "hates women". But I think he's a narcissist who valued his own self gratification and indulgence of his own ego and sexual impulses over the women he felt he could get away with abusing. "Hate" is a strong word and implies a desire to vanquish and utterly destroy. I don't see the desire to control and dominate a subject for self gratification as being quite in the same category. It's not so much "hating" the target of subjugation as satisfying the personal ego driven desire to utterly dominate another person completely.
shareI agree, except, when a narcissist is threatened by being exposed, s/he does then want to and try to vanquish and utterly destroy the person perceived as a threat.
shareHm. Yes, but I assume that's not so much driven by hate than self preservation.
It brings to mind Cosby targeted victim Beverly Johnson. In her case she realized Cosby had drugged her and kept calling him out "you motherfucker" over and over again before she slipped into unconsciousness.
This was a rare (singular?) instance of Cosby sparing a target he drugged the humiliation of rape while she was down. I think a good guess as to why is he feared the repercussions of being exposed should he follow through by raping her. He perceived from her the threat of being exposed, but didn't choose to vanquish and destroy her, but instead opted for safety and self preservation. Perhaps if he was motivated first and foremost by hate he would have followed through. But it was more about the ability to completely dominate his victims which he assumed he would not be able to do with her fighting back.
They don't call it narcissistic rage for nothing; rage is driven by hatred. It's not actually self-preservation. That would be the case if he weren't the one causing harm. This is in reaction to someone he's harmed unmasking him, or fearing it, and being held responsible for his actions.
As I understand it, Beverly Johnson never fully unconsciousness until she'd escaped and was in a taxi on her way home, or once she was home. He didn't spare her, although I do think he was undoubtedly surprised that she fought back, and perhaps he would have stopped due to that fact, even if she had lost consciousness in his home. But she did react appropriately by confronting him as soon as she realised what was happening, before he could rape or otherwise assault her.
On thinking this over more, although I agree his primary motivation was control and domination, it was only women, so far as we know, with whom he exhibited this behaviour. So I'm more inclined to think Charlotte is correct, and it stems from a hatred of women, albeit a narcissistic hatred.
Yeah I just read her firsthand account in VF that I had previously read about 3rd hand. It sounds like he was enraged when she resisted by calling him out and instead of trying to rape her, yanked her down the stairs, waved a cab down for her, and sent her on her way.
He could have still just waited for the drug to kick in and raped her anyway, as she noted how she blacked out as soon as she collapsed in the cab. I'm speculating he kicked her out instead because he surmised she wouldn't be as compliant and easy to control, and she posed a greater risk to himself of being exposed were he to rape her anyway.
Rage might very well be driven by hatred, but it's characterized as a short burst of violent or explosive anger. I could become enraged if provoked by someone for any number of reasons. But that wouldn't necessarily mean I had a deep seated lasting hatred of that person. It was because of something they did that provoked me into becoming momentarily enraged. In this case I see it as him becoming enraged because his plan to dominate her by rape went awry because she challenged him. As to the 'hatred' you note behind rage, I have a hard time seeing how it's anything more than a temporary state.
https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2014/12/bill-cosby-beverly-johnson-story
A reasonable assumption that he kicked her out and got her a taxi because she realised early on what was happening, called him on it, and that he'd miscalculated in her being a greater danger to unmask him.
Rage is usually short-lived, but in that moment (however long-lasting it may be), it is driven by hatred. Cosby's behaviour towards women show at a minimum contempt for them, coupled with anger. As I said earlier, so far as we know, this anger and contempt wasn't displayed towards men, only and specifically women. Lots of them.
Narcissists hold everyone in contempt, but Cosby targeted women for this specific behaviour. This may be because he's heterosexual and saw them as easier prey, and his sole prey for this particular behaviour. Whatever it was, his contempt for women goes deeper than it does for men.
That makes sense.
Though I don't consider 'contempt' to be as strong a word as 'hatred'. I can see Cosby holding contempt for the women he seeks to subjugate insomuch as he's a narcissist who holds some amount of contempt for everyone but perhaps more so towards those he targets. I'm hesitant to make the leap of saying he holds more contempt for everyone of the entire female gender when it seems to me that could just be entirely incidental to him being a heterosexual male as to why he specifically targets women. Just like if he were gay and exclusively targeted men I'd have a hard time concluding he holds more contempt for men than women. It could just be a byproduct of his sexual orientation. I also wouldn't go so far as to call it 'hatred'. Contempt sounds about right.
As I said earlier, it's at a minimum contempt. It may go as far as hatred, beyond the narcissistic rage when believing someone's going to reveal him for who he actually is. I have no way of knowing either way. None of us do.
I recall reading his father was abusive (and most likely also a narcissist), so it's very likely his mother was his father's primary target, which would mean that was the model he followed.
It's not a perhaps, it's a definite that narcissists hold those who become their prey in more contempt than others. The more easily someone falls for and is manipulated by them, the deeper the disregard.
He may actually hate women, not simply hold them in contempt. I certainly wouldn't rule that out, given his behaviour.
Yeah I'm not actually disputing anything you're saying Cat. I don't disagree.
shareSex can be many things, and dominance and control is an aspect. The only way to have complete dominance and control is to have the victim unconscious.
He gets off on that 100% control.
If he was raping a conscience victim, he wouldn’t have the same degree of control. And perhaps he doesn’t derive pleasure from watching a girl suffer, so unconscious is his style.
Obviously he could have had all the casual, consensual sex that he wanted but that’s not what he wanted.
His raping was almost certainly about power and control. He had a comedy bit way back in the 60's where he talks about using spanish fly on a young girl in order to have his way with her. That kind of comedy was acceptable back then. Regardless, it shows the roots of his devilish desire to overpower and dominate/control women and then sexually assault them.
If Bill Cosby is not a sexual predator I don't know who is.
He had a number of consensual extramarital affairs. If they didn't suffice, money was no object and he could have acquired consensual sex through prostitutes. He also had a wife.
I'm sure I don't have to tell you drugging people in order to rape or sexually assault them -- which is criminal behaviour -- is not driven by a lack of sexual contact.
This Cosby situation is sadly fascinating, and I'm not necessarily one for torrid psychologizing, (maybe not a word).
I'm not sure how easy it would be for Cos to have easy, casual, consensual sex. One would wonder if there are simply a lot of easy groupies out there happy to have free sex with a celebrity, but I don't live in that world and I don't know how that works.
I can imagine that Cos simply might have thought he had an easy method to get what he wanted. Just because a woman allows you to buy her a drink doesn't mean she's gonna go to bed with you, and you're probably not buying drinks for women if you don't find them attractive. While Cosby was likely a charming fellow, he also had a very clean image and most people knew he was happily married (?). That would seem awkward.
So if it's beneath you to Pay For Sex, maybe you're not turned on by the kinds of women who simply want to throw themselves at a celebrity, but you see a particular woman who captures your fancy ....
Maybe Cosby didn't think he was doing something wrong. I'm not making excuses or excusing his behavior, not at all. I find this whole sordid business jaw-droppingly stupid and terribly disappointing.
I'm just floating out the idea maybe he just didn't grasp that he was doing something deeply, deeply wrong. Maybe he thought it was a victimless crime that he could keep getting away with. It's really sad.
Ehm, who *doesn't* know drugging someone unconscious or to the point where they're unable to give or reject consent, and then raping or sexually assaulting them, is deeply wrong?! Of course he knew it was wrong.
shareWell, that's a B&W statement. Maybe a lot of Men think Women Should Enjoy Being Raped By them, it's a privilege they deserve.
I know it sounds bizarre, but a lot of really bad things have been perpetrated on people that you and I wouldn't and couldn't imagine ever would happen in our polite world.
But maybe some Men's sexual urges seem above what the great majority of us think is acceptable.
Heck, listen to the news coming out of Rwanda or some other god-forsaken corner of the world. Women and children and men are being treated in unspeakable ways. Apparently those impulses are there, regrettable as it is.
If we believe Silence Of The Lambs is a believable scenario, aren't there other gray areas?
Why would a successful person like BC put himself at such jeopardy? Just about all of us would think we've got it made to be in his shoes (so to speak), but there are certain people who want more, and I'm not sure they think they are Wrong in doing so.
I like you Snepts, but there's a reason you're not into psychologising 😂
shareCosby's head probably got bigger as he got more famous. He must've felt entitled to have whatever he wanted, so when he saw a girl he wanted he perfected a way to get her, and he probably enjoyed the fact that it was dangerous..he likely learned from other celeb's how to NOT get caught. As time went by, the percentages caught up with him. It's hard to prosecute and convict some of these scumbags, but in the end justice prevailed.
shareMany people lie to themselves to justify the worst behaviour imaginable. It’s possible that on the surface he was telling himself it was harmless, while at the same time relishing on a deeper level the trauma he was inflicting.
It wasn’t simply about getting a woman he wanted. Like many have already pointed out, it was power and control he wanted.
As for that world, I can tell you for certain that there are plenty of star fuckers out there and were also back in the day.
I remember reading that at least one of the women he drugged and raped was someone he was already having an affair with. He was clearly into the unconscious thing. It wasn’t about “getting girls.”
Just a thought....no real evidence that it's true...
Cosby's victims were mostly white women.
I wonder if, back before he was famous, he was attracted to white women, but they weren't interested in a skinny black kid...possibly he developed an anger towards white women...
Like to think in his day a lot of men did what he did, like a old James Bond film where they slap women and talk trash to them, in the last twenty years this kind of thing has stopped being acceptable because we've slowly become better to each other.
shareWhy does anyone rape
shareAnd how do you know he did rape them? All we have are accusations without evidence made ny some gold diggers represented by gold digging lawyers. The US justice system is an open invitation to people suing celebs gor filthy lucre.
shareYou do realize he's been accused by 60 plus women and there's been rumblings about him for years, if gold diggers but his ass in the slammer it would've done it many years ago, it pisses me off that people are trying to make it seem like a grand conspiracy, it would only be a few accusations if it was by gold diggers and nobody would take note, when it's 60 plus it's enough to think holy shit it's true, people got fed up with all the crap he's been doing wanted to see him get punished and it took 50 years and 60 different women assault by him for it to finally happen.
shareAll the accusations happened after the first one become published and widely known.
We're not talking about 60 women that accused him without know anything about each other. We're talking about one woman that accused him and became famous and then the rest accused him after it.
It's how accusations happen, one accuser saids something and the rest follow like with Anthony Rapp accusing Kevin Spacey of attempt rape on him. Was talking about he short version.
Did read a comedian brought up that Cosby was a rapist during a stand up and everyone went "ohhh", then the accusations started.
It's how accusations happen, one accuser saids something and the rest follow like with Anthony Rapp accusing Kevin Spacey of attempt rape on him.
He's in jail where he belongs.
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