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I feel sorry for this dude.


I believe his accusers are all full of sh!t. He's obviously an easy target being a rich porn star and all. It's sad how some people take advantage of this "MeToo" movement with false accusations to really ruin someone's reputation and legacy. All for the $$$$.

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Why do you think he's innocent? Other than him being rich?

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Regardless of whether he grabbed any woman on not, any woman going around him is the equivalent of a person going into a cage with a tiger. You know who the fuck he is, so why would you start flopping you titties in his face? It's like teasing a dog and then getting upset when you get bit.

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Ok, so the charges of six counts of sexual battery by restraint, five counts of forcible rape, three counts of forcible oral copulation, two counts of forcible penetration by a foreign object and one count each of sodomy, assault with intent to commit rape, penetration by a foreign object on an unconscious or sleeping victim and lewd conduct with a 15-year-old girl are all these women's fault because they showed some titty? Okay then.

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RIGHT NOW THOMAS IS THINKING...."HOW DO YOU KNOW MY PLANS FOR THE WEEKEND?"🤔

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LOL that was actually a good one.

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the charges of six counts of sexual battery by restraint, five counts of forcible rape, three counts of forcible oral copulation, two counts of forcible penetration by a foreign object and one count each of sodomy, assault with intent to commit rape, penetration by a foreign object on an unconscious or sleeping victim and lewd conduct with a 15-year-old girl

All these charges appeared in a few days.

For some reason, all these chicks that were "raped" and "abused" didn't think about pressing charges before. They didn't denounce it. They didn't talk to lawyers about it. They didn't talk to the police about it. They didn't record any testimony of what allegedly happened. They didn't talk with colleagues about it. They didn't talk to their friends and family about it.

Suddenly, one chick presses charges and the media joins. And once the media joins a hunt, that means money. Suddenly, the moment you can smell the money, sniff, sniiiff, then all these chicks start to "remember" how he abused them. How convenient.

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^^^Exactly this. Ditto and spot on.

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Yeah, that's where the point is.

You're raped, and you're gonna talk about it. Perhaps with a lawyer. Probably with a therapist. Or with your close friends or family. Or warn your colleagues (it could happen to them to). I can believe some of them kept their mouth shut and didn't tell anybody. But... the 23 of them? ALL OF THEM???.

And the same happened with Cosby. There were about 45 accusers, and the exact same... none of them talked about it before. WTF?

To compare: Harvey Weinstein. That case, they talked about it. They didn't press charges, but they talked with other people. When the charges were pressed, it was already a well-known secret. Everybody knew about it. I don't doubt Weinstein abused women. RJ or Cosby? I don't think they did.

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Ummm. No.

Again. Go volunteer at a rape crisis centre. Go and find out why women don't come forward. Find out why men don't come forward. Men are more silent about it than women. When someone does come forward, a victim will know that they weren't alone, that it might not have been their fault, and they might find the courage to come forward as well.

Why would these women talk about it? Because of Jeremy's career, it's been assumed in the comments on this post that they should have known better being around him. Perhaps they didn't bother because when it's just one of them, why would anyone believe them?

Rape and assault isn't about sex. It's about power.

Women also don't come forward because of people like thomas998. Comments like don't show your titties. I'm assuming they mean cleavage. The cops and the courts like to make it seem like it is the victims fault.




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Women also lie about sexual assault for political and financial reasons. The coin has two sides.

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And men too. Look at Michael Jackson's accusers. All have a documented history of lying and fabricating their stories if you dig deep into their cases.

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Very true. Kevin Spacey was ruined over accusations, but has never been convicted of anything.

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Where is the proof that these women are lying?

You guys all seem to think that I want him to be guilty. I don't. I also don't want these women to be lying because if they are they are making it so much more difficult for all the men, women, and even kids who aren't lying. I think that anyone who lies about this should be sued themselves for slander.

With this case though, there are witnesses, and people who are claiming that they were told of the assaults right after it happened, contrary to what kukuxu is claiming. In one instance there is a picture. Just because these women work in the porn industry doesn't mean that they consent to all sex.

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The fact that they work in the porn industry absolutely puts out the possibility of them forgoing ethics and integrity in lieu of a paycheck. Most people wouldn't want to see a family member in porn for a reason. When you've decided to completely throw your middle finger up at society, you can no longer be counted on to be a trustworthy member of that society. It doesn't dismiss them, it just means it's reasonable to have increased doubt regarding their integrity and willingness to compromise themselves to gain fortune, as evident by their own actions.

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So why does that apply to the women and not to Ron?

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Because innocent until proven guilty is the established order of our legal system. Also, he isn't making an effort to use his questionable integrity, which it may be, to make money off these women. If Ron said a rich woman raped him, I'd question that too.

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There was still enough of a reason for him to be arrested.

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Yes, pretty much happens after any serious accusations of any crime, regardless of whether or not true, but particularly true with rape accusations. It means nothing until a conviction. This is literally why we have judges, and don't leave the judicature up to the police.

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And yet you are suggesting that the accusers are guilty.

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Where did I say that?

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"Women also lie about sexual assault for political and financial reasons"

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How do you interpret that as suggesting they are guilty, I'm saying it's reasonable not to take them at their word, and let a judge decide the facts before we arbitrarily slander someone. You're really reaching just to avoid saying you were wrong to preemptively accuse him.

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And where have I actually accused him?

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You accused him directly and even suggested an appropriate sentence for it ... but then you edited it out of your post.

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None of my posts have been edited.

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All it takes is one brave person to kickstart a movement.

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I don't know if a group of whores trying to fleece an old guy out of money is very brave, but you are right, it only takes one to get it started. Coincidentally, all of the other whores start coming out of the woodwork for the "movement" when they smell the potential payout that comes at the expense of a man's reputation.

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Misogynistic douchebag.

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Lol. Oh, the irony of some woke, SJW white knight coming to the defense of the pornstars with hearts of gold calling someone else a douchebag. You snowflakes are a funny bunch!🤣

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I thought this was about Ron Jeremy. I realize now that your problem is with women. You hate them like every other incel.
I'm not going to keep wasting my time with Trump supporters. IGNORED

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Hahahaha, you sure just showed me, hahaha 🤣. Liberals: mkay, you don't like what I like so you Trump something
something Trump something orange man bad something,mkay. 🤣
Holy shit, you can't make this up, and it's SO good!

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^^^^
Isn't that one of his movies

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Victim-blaming much, asshole?
Do you also blame women for wearing short skirts?

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If an idiot gets inside a tiger's cage and then gets mauled to death who is to blame? The tiger that was doing what a tiger does or the idiot that got in the cage with it. Same thing applies to this situation, and the simple fact is no rape has ever been proven in a court of law. The very fact that you have charges stemming back 5 years means there was no evidence and this is all more of the metoo movement trying to crucify someone they don't like.

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Why do you keep comparing rapists to fucking tigers as if they were animals with no self control or morals? Wtf?

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Isn't Ron the victim of unsubstantiated slander? Victim-blaming much, asshole?

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So unsubstantiated he got arrested and got cases on him. Yeah, a real victim.

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Until he's convicted, he's innocent. Sorry, but there's a reason our legal system works that way, and doesn't let people like you just convict on rumor and speculation, so yes, until that point, he's the victim.

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Umm. "Innocent until proven guilty". The burden of proof is on the accused. Not on RJ. I think it's silly they come out with these accusations YEARS after it allegedly happened. That makes me believe they're riding the coattails of #MeToo.

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One of the charges is from January of 2020.

23 different women.

BTW #metoo isn't "hey let's destroy this guys life" its look at how many people (yes men are victims too) have been assaulted. The sheer numbers should make everyone consider their behaviour, not consider themselves the victims.

I know that in the courts one is innocent until proven guilty. He may be innocent, but his accusers should get the same respect.

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Right. But his accusers should be similarly vetted. I don't believe in this whole notion that we must "automatically believe all accusers" because people have been known to lie in the past.

I can 100% believe when it comes to rich celebrities, there can be a giant conspiracy to bring down someone for $$$. Especially if the accusers are disgruntled ex-employeees, family members or jilted lovers in the past.

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So these guys shouldn't pay. If it goes to court, they shouldn't settle out of court.

The US justice system is so messed up that they allow that.

That being said, the number of false accusations are actually quite low. The courts are historically not very kind to victims of sexual assault.

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You have no idea how many false accusations there are. Many times the false accusation never even makes it past the initial investigation by the police and it ends right there.

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I do have an idea. Thanks though.

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And your idea has no more validity than a 4 year old thinking they understand quantum physics. But keep showing everyone how clueless you are, it does provide entertainment.

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That being said, the number of false accusations are actually quite low. The courts are historically not very kind to victims of sexual assault

Beg you pardon?

Sexual assault is the crime that requires less evidence, particularly when a female is the accuser. Try to accuse somebody of any other crime with only your testimony and zero evidence. Good luck with it.

There was a case in Catalunya that I read about a while ago. One chick was raped. Later on, she recognized the guy in a supermarket. With this and only this, the guy went to trial and jail.

Here it comes the "funniest" part: the rapist arrived by motorbike. The guy argued he didn't have a motorbike and he didn't even know how to ride a motorbike. Not only that, the guy told that he was gay and he was NOT sexually interested in females. Friends and family confirmed that, since he had been open about his sexuality. He had had a stable relationship with another dude for months or years (I don't remember). His partner confirmed it. Well, that didn't matter. No matter there was zero evidence and he was 100% gay, he was guilty of raping a chick.

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So that is a case in Spain?

I didn't say that they never happened, but instances of false accusations compared to actual rapes is very low.

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You don't know whether that's true.

Last years, you had strong incentives: you don't need evidence, it's free (most western states are gonna provide you a lawyer), you're gonna obtain benefits (rape victims are considered some kind of "heroine" in modern societies, some countries even will give you a subsidy), and you can destroy somebody you have a grudge for whatever reason. Barely any risk, all profit.

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And, you can get lots of money.....

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You don't know whether that's true.

I suggest you go and volunteer at your local rape crisis centre and then come back and talk to me.

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If you don’t think some of this piling-on is due to opportunists and money grabs, you are naive.

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I don't know. If this were a case of the women just accusing him, and the police not moving forward with any charges, then yeah, I would consider it. I'm looking at the charges themselves, and the women who claim that there were witnesses. The fact that there are text messages right after an attack.

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I think if this was an "average joe" it would definitely be very suspicious to have such a large number of women accusing him.

However, when it comes to high-profile celebrities or people who are known to have money & wealth, it's a different ballgame. You really have to factor in if these people are after his money.

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So wait, they aren't after JUSTICE ... they are after money?

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Perhaps

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I kinda feel bad for him as well, for those reasons you mention. And to a certain degree, I think Harvey Weinstein is getting railroaded as well. With HW...I don't think he ever forcibly overtook someone and sexually assaulted them. I think people "played the game"....and went to his hotel rooms fully aware of his reputation. Once one actress began to resent the quid pro quo and spoke out about it....and he started to falter, a gang of additional accusers swarmed in to take him down, kick him while he's down, and capitalize on the opportunity for compensation. Now...I'm not saying HW didn't at some point cross a line. And I'm not saying that "casting couch" culture didn't need to change. However, I think the punishment he's getting is way overboard, and meant to send a message. He's essentially being punished for a culture a whole generation of people participated in and was complicit in.

Regarding Ron Jeremy.....he's in an industry and culture in which the rules are blurry when it comes to what is permissible, welcomed, desired even. There's a faction of his industry in which sexual....."aggression"....dominance....or at the very least..."proactiveness"....are welcomed. I think it's safe to say....his industry embraces sexual exploration and the pushing of standard norms. Heck...in his industry, sometimes "no" DOESN'T even mean no....and instead a mutually-agreed-upon safeword comes into play. That's just how blurry the lines and rules can potentially get.

That's not to say he too...didn't perhaps cross some lines. It will be up to the courts to determine if the accusers entered Mr. Jeremy's world with open eyes....or a willingness....or an escape word....? But I will say this: In the wake of Harvey Weinstein and the #MeeToo movement....the rules suddenly shifted for Mr. Jeremy, especially with regards to what is acceptable in his world and industry......and he suddenly became very, VERY vulnerable.

I'll say this, though. The accused is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And the accusers...deserve to be heard and respected, but also fully vetted.

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I'm not familiar with the Ron Jeremy situation, but I followed the Weinstein case closely and it was an absolute miscarriage of justice. If not one of 12 jurors could find reasonable doubt in that trial record, the term has no meaning. The case was so weak that it never should have been brought in the first place. But hey, he's an ugly old guy and "everybody knows" he's a lecher, so just throw away the key. That's not how the criminal justice system is supposed to work.

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In BDSM, which I'm assuming you are referring to with the mention of safe words, the main ethics are safe, sane, and consensual. So, regardless, rape is still rape.

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Well he might not be that innocent considering the business he's been involved in for like 40 years now. One thing for sure no woman with a decent level of intelligence would ever want to be around someone like him, he's also the born RICH type...so go figure what type of women would be going for a guy like that !

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So are you saying all male porn stars are rapists because of the business they're in?

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That depends on how many of them actually did it but yeah some of them are (male or female stars) scumbags.

Go read more about the porn industry and it's relation with organized crime and human trafficking. Defending a porn-star is last thing a sane person would do, especially someone who's been in that business for 40 years.

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I believe in free individual choice. If someone chooses to go to the porn industry (as long as they're not forced) then that's on them. I don't buy this whole baloney that women are exploited in the porn industry because female porn stars WILLINGLY chose to enter the industry knowing full well what it's all about.

Alot of female porn stars like Jenna Jameison say it's women's liberation and she's right! It's her body and her choice.

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I bet you feel sorry for Charlie Manson too. Victim of the anti-hippy movement of the 60s. The Pigs framed him!

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Well, Manson didn't actually commit any of the actual murders and it's even unclear if he even ordered the murders. His followers (Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins, Leslie Van Houten) were rightfully punished and it's too bad they didn't carry out the death penalty in the 70s because they definitely deserve it. Even Sharon Tate's mother believes Manson was the least culpable out of all of them if you watch some of her interviews on YouTube.

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I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that anyone in the porn industry could turn out to be greedy, exploitive, or badly behaved! SHOCKED!!!

Seriously, the man has been laying down with dogs for decades, and you're surprised that he woke up with fleas?

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So, it's fair assumption to believe that all male porn stars are "up to no good" rapists then?

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I can't make any assumption about any one individual, but it's a fair assumption that there are males who are "up to no good" in the porn industry, and females as well. It's a sleazy business, that attracts sleazy, desperate, and greedy people.

The only assumption I'm willing to make about Jeremy himself is that this won't affect whatever career he has in porn these days, because his fans are all straight men who can't pull women. They won't cancel him if he did the things he's accused of, in fact, lots of them will envy him.

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I would say at this point it’s not being cancelled that Mr Jeremy is worried about, it’s being locked away in prison for the rest of his life.

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To comment on that, I would actually have to research the particulars of the case, and life is too short for that.

As far as I'm concerned that's all for other people to decide, and I don't mean the Court of Public Opinion.

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Many porn stars come from well-off and educated backgrounds. Ron Jeremy himself used to work as a special needs teacher and he had a Masters in Special Education and B.A. in theatre. He used to work as a special needs teacher for YEARS before doing porn. So, he is no dummy. Another example. Rachel Oberlin (aka "Bree Olson", and one of Charlie Sheen's goddesses) was a pre-med major. Many other porn stars that come from well off backgrounds, and you don't know what their circumstances are that they did porn. So, it's a broad and unfair assumption to assume that they're "desperate and greedy" .

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This fat pig has fans? Who would have thought.

You also think Harvey Weinstein was victim of a 'witch hunt' just because he was a powerful producer?

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find a better person.

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Ron Jeremy has a Masters in Special Education and a BA in Education& Theatre. He taught special-ed classes before entering porn. Sounds like a good, educated decent person to me. He's clearly no dummy.

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Joseph Goebbels had a Doctorate. So what??

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If these women really were abused, they would've said something when it happened. Not YEARS. I am going to quote kukuxu's response above because it was brilliant and it hammers home the message:

All these charges appeared in a few days.

For some reason, all these chicks that were "raped" and "abused" didn't think about pressing charges before. They didn't denounce it. They didn't talk to lawyers about it. They didn't talk to the police about it. They didn't record any testimony of what allegedly happened. They didn't talk with colleagues about it. They didn't talk to their friends and family about it.

Suddenly, one chick presses charges and the media joins. And once the media joins a hunt, that means money. Suddenly, the moment you can smell the money, sniff, sniiiff, then all these chicks start to "remember" how he abused them. How convenient.

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