Traitor


Dave Titus
December 13 at 8:11am ·
Just so my children know why I hate her. This is a post from a Robert Sampson. But affects everyone that was ever in the Miltary then and now.

You should also know that her best friend was none other than John Kerry our Sec of State..

Jane Fonda – The Traitor

"Those who believe they can do something - and
those who believe they can't - are both right."

Jane Fonda was talking about her new book. . .
And how good she feels in her 70's. . . She still does not know what she did wrong. . . Her book just may not make the bestseller list if more people knew.

Barbara Walters said :
Thank you all. Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms. I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now. She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century."

(I remember this well.)

For those who served and/or died. . .

NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!

And now President Obama wants to honor her!!!!

In Memory of Lt. C. Thomsen Wieland, who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [infamous North Vietnam prison] --

IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE. FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE H ONORED .
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA.

This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."

Barbara Walters writes:
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho LoPrison, the "Hanoi Hilton."

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "peace activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward onto the camp commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hanoi Hilton". . . The first three of which his family only knew he was "missing in action." His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. . . At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...
Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development adviser in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received. . . and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as "humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget. . . "100 Years of Great Women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer, and she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,
USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron,
Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343

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I agree

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Though Jane Fonda did go to North Viet Nam and did have her picture taken on a North Vietnamese aircraft gun, most of the rest in the OP post is a copy of an email that's been circulating since 1999 and been proven largely false, including the stories about the named soldiers in the email.

The named POW soldiers themselves, personally, have not only stated that the facts relating to Fonda are false but some have stated that this false email, reproduced above, has caused a lot of discomfort in their lives.

The actual soldiers named in these false stories have - for years since their return from being POWs - had to point out in response to query after query the falsehoods in this email.

It is also false the President Obama is planning to honor Jane Fonda. This is a racist assertion. Barbara Walters -- the person quoted above as disliking Jane Fonda -- is the one that honored Fonda as one of the most influential women of the century 10 years ago.

Here is a link with citations to back up the falsity of the OP's post:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/11/blame-jane-falsehoods/


Reproducing these faked facts does not honor but in fact *disrespects* the Viet Nam vets it makes up stories about.

I was a young person during this era -- and though I was not in favor of the Viet Nam war -- I also did not think what Fonda did was right -- even though in most other respects I've admired her and what she has done for women, women's roles in society and still does today.

Fonda herself has (admittedly belatedly) also expressed regret for her actions.

But those were difficult and confusing times. We were still very much a racist and sexist society -- where minorities were lynched or their children blown up, women were raped with impunity as well as forced into poverty if they couldn't marry and "keep" a middle class white male.

Young people, as Ms Fonda was too, were rebelling against a very suffocating and deathlike society for the majority of its population (women and minorities.) It was very difficult to conceive and/or figure out how our society should change. It is one thing to rebel against -- it is another to figure out how to refashion and move forward.

We still see those very same issues today -- as we are finally confronting Police violence and killing of minorities, the persistent rape culture that exists even in middle and upper middle-class institutions, and the now finally acknowledged sexual abuse of children and domestic violence -- both subjects whose existence were completely covered up by the dominating society that also went to war in Viet Nam (and later Iraq.)

But we, as a society can talk, confront and address these issues today -- because of the path begun by courageous youth rebellion in the '60's.

Were mistakes, terrible mistakes made - some that cost lives? -- Absolutely yes-- but nothing like the mistakes and the lives lost because of the social and economic forces they were rebelling against.

Bernie Sanders is a youth of the 60's -- so is Donald Trump. Sanders echoes very much the same voice of rebellion that was expressed back then. The Donald echoes the very voices of the unsophisticated portion of society that blindly supported the oppressive forces back then.

Back then -- the expression was "Don't trust anyone over thirty." Today it would be valid to say that anyone under 60 doesn't really know what it was like back then -during the booming economy - to not be white and male.

But fortunately we are now a very much changed society. We still have much to wrestle with. We have new issues to contend with as well as the old ones that still persevere.

But reproducing falsehoods does nothing to advance us forward; it only hurls us backwards.

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Whatever. Those who serve or honor those in the military need to get over themselves.
All what our military does is invade and murder countless numbers of civilians in weaker countries and commit massive acts of genocide based on lies. This is nothing to be proud of but instead ashamed.

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Respect your betters! The defenders of the country deserve that.

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Wow, are you really that big of a piece of *beep* I can understand being dumb, but you're way past the dumbass mark.


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dies ist meine unterschrift

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Right On!
CMSgt,
I'm throwing sand against the wall & telling you & your kind to 'hit the beach'!
I'm a ten year veteran. I recall clearly how shocked I was to see that picture on page 8 of the Stars & Stripes while I was in Seoul, Korea. But, then, I read the back story sometime later.
As I understand it, she originally refused such a photo op, however she was told if she did, they (Charlie) would free some POWs So she relented then realized later that she was lied to. Be that as it may,..since then, she has apologized numerous times. This takes a big person to publicly apologize, a which is more than I can say for you. However, it's your hatred for a woman who had the best of intentions at the time, I'm just proud to have served this great country that makes it possible for All Americans to voice their political bs for the better, the worse & indifferent.
As far as 'traitors' I cite the rotten pigs who have no names nor faces who ordered the rapes & massacre of innocent women, children & elderly during Vietnam and every subsequent military action since. I'm not proud of the war crimes commited in our name, but, that's my cross to carry.

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You are boring man.😕She said thousands Times she regrets that photo and do not twist her words to fit your hatred.

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