Should he be charged with manslaughter?
I feel like average Joe Citizen would already be in jail awaiting trial.
shareNo.
share"Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection."
I would say he produced death without due caution.
His act was not unlawful. He was handed the gun, which was supposed to be carefully inspected and only handled by a trained gunsmith before giving it to the actors
its equivalent to going bungee jumping with a friend. and their cord snaps, and rather than the person in charge of making sure the cord is safe, they charge you
You have to keep reading. I know, it's difficult in this age of memes that dumbs everything down to six words but you replied before getting to the end of the first sentence in my post.
shareWrong, it doesn't work that way. And you obviously don't know what a "gunsmith" is.
shareMy bad you are right I meant an armorer!
it actually does work that way on movie sets. Actors and others besides the armorer are not supposed to tinker with the gun for this very reason. someone could replace bullets and then there is no chain of responsibility. Actors aren't gun experts nor are they supposed to be just because they handle one. The armorer be the only one and is supposed to do their job for this very reason. so no matter what happens a blank is fired and no one is hurt.
Just like for movies with car chases you have mechanics, stunt persons and depending on how advanced it is some sort of expert on set. You dont expect the actor to inspect the car and do work on it personally
None of that matters. A Stunt man isn't going to drive a car 100 mph toward an actor and rely on the brakes. Guns are NEVER to be pointed at people without the intention to kill, even on movie sets.
shareYou missed the point apparently. Its that an actor isn't responsible if the car loses a wheel or brake line cuts and they hit a crew member.
shareOh lovely, another Google expert. The person breaking the safety rules by pulling the trigger while pointing at another human being is ultimately responsible.
shareAll the prosecutors and investigators seem to agree with me! or rather me with them.
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Alec-Baldwin-aim-a-prop-gun-at-Halyna-and-Souza
I guess you have never seen Goodfellas or a myriad of others films where guns are pointed at the camera and other actors. We should go back in films and all charge them!!
here is a great explantion
"A cold gun is a weapon that cannot, and can never be made to fire. They are made of rubber sometimes. Sometimes their actions work, cylinders spin, they can be cocked and decocked even taken apart. In no way can they be fired with pyrotechnic effect. A set where a cold gun is in position is - the safety director yells cold gun.
Cold guns are used for closeups, for example, in a suicide scene.
Guns are marked with big red and orange tags on a well run set, the tags listing who gets the gun for which scene, and are lined up on a prop table. The weapon is then taken to a set or take / taken table and given to the talent for the shot, then taken back from them. Whet you see them wear in a holster when no special effects needed are always cold guns."
Note "cold gun" was called as Baldwin was handed the gun.
Lot of dumb in that post.
shareDeep and insightful rebuttal sir!
So the terms cold and hot guns dont exist.
Movie sets dont stringently track guns used and organize them to ensure people are handed the right gun for the scene.
So multiple reports dont say he was handed a gun and told cold gun?
Sir you seem not to care about the facts of the case. you are here for personal political and emotional reasons. may act like adult and speak to me when you arent so emotional.
Emotional??? You’re the one in possession of little fact.
shareand yet! still no rebuttal. still no presentation of your version of "facts"
I can only conclude sir you have none. enjoy your emotional tirade against Baldwin.
Oh I checked your profile you are a right wing nut job. Now I understand why you cant provide facts and just give me emotions.
Next time you come to the big boy table to discuss bring facts sir!
Westerns use real guns. They may use a dummy gun for distance shots or when guns get thrown but for the most part, westerns use real guns. The one in question was a real gun, a Pietta replica of the Colt Single Action Army.
The AD doesn't get to call "cold gun". Ever. That's the armorer's job. Even so, FIREARMS ARE NEVER TO BE POINTED AT AN INDIVIDUAL, EVER. I don't know how much more clear to be. If Baldwin had followed the basic safety rules, no one would've been shot. If the firearm is to be pointed directly at the camera, no one supposed to be in front of it. EVER. Dummy cartridges are for close-ups. Blanks are for firing realism. Bulletproof barriers are to be in place when guns are pointed at cameras with people present.
This applies to movies and in real life and this is something I know from 35yrs of studying defensive shootings, the person pressing the trigger is ultimately responsible for any bullet that leaves the firearm. Period. Who did what prior to that is irrelevant. Yes, the actors are supposed to be trained in their use. That's what armorers are for. Thell Reed, the armorer's father, has spent decades as a Hollywood gun coach. That's what he does, train actors how to safely operate firearms. In part for realism but also to keep everyone alive. Bottom line, if all the safety rules had bee followed, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Yes, I am a conservative. I believe in the US Constitution and I will not apologize for it. What this means is that I deal in facts, logic and reason. If you had a fucking clue what you were talking about, whether in general or about this specific situation, you would not have posted a lot of the dumb shit you've posted here. The biggest mistake you made was to get personal in a discussion about Baldwin's shooting but that's what liberals do. When they have no argument, they make personal attacks. Not only are you guilty of everything you accused me of but you're a Grade A moron as well.
Hence why there is a tonne of films/shots where guns are aimed at other actors or the camera directly... sir you seem to be an emotional biased wreck who never gives any actual information.
facts logic and reason?
oh look here is you praising and supporting reigning guns to voting
"That’s what happens when you tell people who prefer to be left alone that their vote doesn’t matter."
you are a mess. from reading your other comments it seems 90% of the time you do not present anything. you just come in and call people dumb, wrong or crazy in one sentence.
have a good day sir I am done engaging with a wacky trolL!
Wrong, genius. Go back to Google. You're just a sock and a troll, which makes you a complete lowlife.
share"agree with me who doesn't know anything about gun procedure on movie sets or else you are a sock and lowlife!"
More deep wisdom? I came to discuss with grown adults not her from biased little children
No you didn't. You came here to be a troll.
It's only made to look like guns are being pointed at cameras or people. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd understand this. You're just another ignorant liberal with an uninformed opinion.
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Alec-Baldwin-aim-a-prop-gun-at-Halyna-and-Souza
You didn't even bother to look at the link with all the pictures of actors pointing guns at one another.
Sir stick to your partisan rallies. this forum is meant for adult discussions not children
You know just enough to get yourself in trouble. You obviously didn't even read the link you posted. Which is hilarious.
shareexcept I did! and even quoted it! and you had no response other than
"Lot of dumb in that post."
soo which scenario is it? the post doesnt agree with me and what I said? or it does and its wrong. pick your storyline sir.
I would say he produced death without due caution.
and what due caution would you say he didnt take?
For starters, the AD said it was a "cold gun" when it obviously wasn't. You people who are completely ignorant about guns are always the experts. It would be funny if it weren't so dangerous. Because it's people like you, or Alec Baldwin who end up shooting someone.
shareYou're being silly. He shot and killed a person, what caution did he take? None.
You do know he wasn't just an actor on set, right?