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I'm amazed at the number of QT fans who don't like Jackie Brown


I just SMH

There was an awesome thread on the old board that would take days to read. Probably gone now.

It's just fascinating how people don't 'get' it. I guess it has something to do with expectations, and variation. Because Jackie Brown is a variance on QTs regular fare, and perhaps disappoints due to viewers expecting something different so they wind up feeling let down.

Anywho, just my opinion. JB is his best movie, IMO, and ironically the only one he ever adapted.

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It's in a way his most heartfelt and most unlike Tarantino film in his canon. I can see why some dislike it but for me it's his last truly masterclass film (I haven't seen Once a Upon a Time.. yet) I liked Kill Bill Vol 1 and Django Unchained up until the moment Waltz leaves then it falls to pieces. I just don't get the hype around Basterds besides Waltz's performance. Kill Bill Vol 2 and The Hateful Eight are fine. Death Proof is a mess. I just think he's never came close to his first three films, and his downfall in later films is his over reliance on nods to other movie genres and films and how over indulgent most of what he's done is.

For me Jackie Brown has his best writing, Sam Jackson's best performance, Pam Grier his most realistically written female character. His best soundtrack and his less self indulgent film to date. I think Pulp Fiction is still his masterwork but I have Jackie Brown following in second place.

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It's in a way his most heartfelt and most unlike Tarantino film in his canon. I can see why some dislike it but for me it's his last truly masterclass film (I haven't seen Once a Upon a Time.. yet) I liked Kill Bill Vol 1 and Django Unchained up until the moment Waltz leaves then it falls to pieces. I just don't get the hype around Basterds besides Waltz's performance. Kill Bill Vol 2 and The Hateful Eight are fine. Death Proof is a mess. I just think he's never came close to his first three films, and his downfall in later films is his over reliance on nods to other movie genres and films and how over indulgent most of what he's done is.

For me Jackie Brown has his best writing, Sam Jackson's best performance, Pam Grier his most realistically written female character. His best soundtrack and his less self indulgent film to date. I think Pulp Fiction is still his masterwork but I have Jackie Brown following in second place.

clap. clap. clap. clap.... man that is perfectly put, very well said. Fine post, sir.

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Newsflash: Much of it isn't his writing. It's an adaptation of the Elmore Leonard novel Rum Punch. As Leonard is one of those who could give even Tarantino pointers on dialogue, it's understandable why you love the finished product. . .much of it is lifted straight from the book.

Agreed on the performances/soundtrack. Just an amazing, amazing movie. I was already a big fan of the book, so the fact that the movie was equally accomplished was a double win, for me.

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Yes I know that it's an adaptation.

I still think it's excellent, and that many fans are cheating themselves by overlooking it.

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I'm a pretty big QT fan but I admit I'm one of those that didn't like Jackie Brown very much. It's hard for me to explain into words why I don't like it but I do remember many years later when Inglorious Basterds came out one movie critic proclaimed "this is Tarantino's best movie since Pulp Fiction" and I agreed wholeheartedly.

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The other poster poster made some great points.

I think that Jackie Brown fails to meet many fans' expectations, and maybe this is why they don't care for it.

But for my money it's a riveting 'sting-heist' type drama which IMO is his most realistic film. But also, there's an ass load of pathos in Jackie Brown (I meant in the movie, but also in the character too, yeah) which speaks to heartbreak, lost opportunity, the crushing feeling of being past one's prime. A poster on the old board wrote a beautiful post laying all this out so perfectly, then it got lost when IMDB did one of their 'board cleanings' and wiped everything clean. I wish I'd saved it in a word doc or something. It explained why many may not get the poetry of Jackie Brown, if they haven't yet had to face 'that overarching disappointment' in life.

I do think it's by far his strongest story/plot.

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See above (it's not Tarantino's story/plot). Great movie, nonetheless.

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You just got me thinking...

That's probably why it's diferent; because it's not his.

That's a good point. And, it might explain why some (most) don't like it. Let me expand:


When I first saw Jackie Brown, it was 1998 and I was not in the 'Tarantino Fan' camp. I just watched Jackie Brown, liked it as a film, and that was that.

But I see now that if someone was a 'QT fan' before they watched Jackie Brown, then it may have disappointed them since it's different, adapted from Elmore Leonard as you mentioned.

Coming at it from two different sets of expectations probably explains the gap. Thanks for bringing me around to see this.

cheers

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I don't think that matters if it's not QT's original story. A good director is lauded for his ability to craft an entire movie using either his own story or from someone else, its actors, and design setting to capture a story's heart. I read Rum Punch before it was adapted and don't recall the heart of the story as much as the intricate plot. I firmly believe QT injected more of that into the movie and coaxed Pam Grier to capture the essence of that through her performance.

I also don't really care if a good portion of QT fans don't like Jackie Brown overall. It doesn't really matter to me, but I think that's the crux of this thread overall.

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jackie brown was straight up trash just like the whole kill bill series which were by far his worst movies, tarantino is overrated, and except for pulp fiction which was legendary and his segment in 4 rooms, tarantino hasn't done anything original or as good as the mentioned films. sorry bro.

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Have you seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? Why do you call Kill Bill a trilogy?

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i was replying to the jackie brown thread, and mentioning his worst movies is important , because after pulp fuction and the 4 rooms segment tarantino went downhill.

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Have you seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? Are you calling Kill Bill a Trilogy?

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can you read? are you able to read mister mojo? kill bill kill bill have u seen one upon times in bollywoof?

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Your right. I obviously have a reading problem. Thank you for answering my questions.

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you didnt even reply to my original comment, why should i reply to your out of context questions bro? are you retarded or something? we are talking about apples and here you are talking about coconuts bro

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the name of this thread is "I'm amazed at the number of QT fans who don't like Jackie Brown" and not once upon a time in hollywood do you understand that? YES OR NO?

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In your original posting you mentioned a Kill Bill trilogy that I am not aware of. That’s why I questioned it. You also said “Tarantino hasn’t done anything original or as good as the mentioned films.” That’s why I asked you if you have seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

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let me repeat myself again, your questions are not related to anything discussed here, you are derailing and i will not engage in redundant discussions with someone who doesnt understand the basic rules of rational discussion. thx.

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Your right. I don’t know what I was thinking. Oh wait... I see you have edited your original post. Good job “Einstein!” 🤣

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did you see once upon a time in hollywood trilogy mojo? have you? do you like apples and coconuts? do you like to go full retard? well im glad people like you make our world more retarded every day. have you seen once upon a time in hollywood? is it a trilogy? have seen it? its not a trilogy. im right. no you are. see ? wait have you seen it? have you seen it? wait....have you seen once upon a time in hollywood?

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Your a funny guy Einstein. I like you. That’s why this is my last post. :)

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oh come on mojo, we were just having fun, but you are right we should stop at some point, btw i have not watched it yet, will do though and yes its not a trilogy, have a great weekend buddy

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I wouldn't say I'm a QF fan per se but I respect his vision and creativity. Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction have always been my favorite of his...and now I would add Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
For one thing I like the various threads and subplots and how they come together and it feels important for me to have at least one or more characters that I can pull for.
Jackie Brown using her cunning against so many adversarial forces almost made it a feel good film.

The Hateful Eight and the Kill Bill films felt chaotic and a little cartoonish to me and most of the characters were despicable. I wanted them all to die.

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The Hateful Eight and the Kill Bill films felt chaotic and a little cartoonish to me and most of the characters were despicable. I wanted them all to die.

lol me too

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Most of the dislikes I've read are based on it being "overrated" and "too boring". Which leads me to believe that these fans haven't lived a full life or aren't even out of their 20s yet. I was in my 20s when I saw JB and I really appreciated the characters and the story, but I had friends of the same age who couldn't relate to it and thought it was gross seeing an "old fart" like Robert Forster getting into a "fat black woman".

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Most of the dislikes I've read are based on it being "overrated" and "too boring". Which leads me to believe that these fans haven't lived a full life or aren't even out of their 20s yet. I was in my 20s when I saw JB and I really appreciated the characters and the story, but I had friends of the same age who couldn't relate to it and thought it was gross seeing an "old fart" like Robert Forster getting into a "fat black woman".

BourbonKing, right on! Very well said, my man. Your comment reminds me of a similar one on the old boards that explained how in order for someone to appreciate Jackie Brown they probably need a few years on them, time to have gone through some deep disappointments and weathered a few painful regrets. That, according to that poster, is necessary to really empathise with the story.

I think JB is too much of a standalone among all QT's other films to be appreciated by many of his hardcore fans who adore his regular fare so much. Kinda cultish, even. Hence, it hits them like a curve ball from out of nowhere and they never pause to try to recover, so they end up missing the whole point and trashing it on message boards. It's kinda lost on them; IOW they are derailed by their own expectations.

I think expectations (for anyone, anywhere) have a lot to do with how things are received, liked, or disliked. Charles Dickens surely knew this! lol

Cheers...

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Yes, and my favorite bit of dialogue from JB is when Max visits Jackie's apartment and they both sit down with the Delfonics album playing songs in the background and Jackie starts to ask him about getting older and starting over. Her whole little story about not having much to start with and having to start all over after even losing that can speak volumes to anyone who's ever been in that situation.

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exactly. exactly. it nails me. because I've been there. and, because I have, I indeed empathise with the things she says. I remember she said something like 'and that shit scares me more than Ordell'

yep. yep.

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Yeah, me too..More than once. And it is scarey..
I think maybe you guys have nailed why perceptions to many films are sometimes so skewered as so much of our impressions have to do with our life experiences..
Ultimately Jackie Brown had more heart than most of QT's films and the ability to dream of something more never dies and is easier for some of us to relate to. As does the fear of running out of time to make life work. You have to keep readjusting and it doesn't get easier..

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well said my friend

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