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His career went from 100 to 0 in a blink of an eye...


It always amazes me how he was so popular back in the 80/90s and then in the 90/00s he went to straight to DVD movies, people stopped watching his movies, etc.

I'm a huge fan... and this is just something that has always amazed me about Sly's career, perhaps in one moment in time he was the most famous actor in the whole world and in what appeared to be a relatively short amount of time moviegoers turned their backs on him.

Perhaps it was his fault for not choosing better projects/repetitive/evolution of the genre?

Perhaps he was typecast in the action-hero mold from the 80s?

Any thoughts about this? Thanks.

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Although 'Jurassic Park' may have scuppered Schwarzenegger in 1993, it also lead to the tonal shift around the mid nineties, which saw the once popular 'tough guy' genre being replaced by either huge scale CGI (plus comedies, romantic or otherwise, came back into vogue also)
It didn't help that society was also promoting the whole idea of a more 'sensitive, new-age' man, too (the complete polar opposite of Rambo, etc)

At least Sly (unlike Annie) had the acting and writing chops to try other stuff (Copland, etc)
Once upon a time the likes of Sly or Annie were the 'special effect' (or draw) of the movie....but once effects got more 'sophisticated', so did the audiences tastes. It's also no coincidence that the likes of 'The Matrix' put paid to the box-office clout of genuine Martial art stars (Seagal, Van Damme) because now (with CGI) anyone could be a ninja.

Of course, most audiences (rightfully) got tired of this 'girly-man' shtick, and 'The Expendables' was seen as a return to grass-roots, old-school action (plus, it didn't hurt that Sly had Rocky & Rambo franchises to fall back onto either)

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I agree. The classic R rated Action genre is over now. Unlike others I actually like Superhero movies. And let's face it. There will never be anyone like Stallone and Arnold in the future.

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expendables was shit - the sequels even shittier - return to roots my arse.
I think the real issue with these mucho dudes it that they can't accept that they are aging, and take on appropriate roles.
You need to be able to evolve - and yes, aging is a part of that evolution process. When you fight evolution, you lose.

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Did you just say that with more sophisticated SFX, audience taste also got more sophisticated? You are joking, right??
The current audience is all about sfx and doesn't give a crap about story/intelligent plot/cohesiveness. So, most of the films now have lackluster or nonexistent plots - with most of the money going into the sfx department. There's nothing sophisticated about sfx - old children's films were more sophisticated than the currently made films for adults.

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Have either I (or Sylvester Stallone) fucked your mother and/or Grandmother.....As you seem to have a 'hard-on' for both of us?

Anyhow, if you care to read what I said (as opposed to merely cherry picking) I stated that once FX got sophisticated (and near flawless) that audiences moved on to other stuff and the likes of Sly And Arnie (once the *only* special effect required) took a back-seat to said FX, which (in turn) could accomodate other actors and/or genres.
Do you think (similar aged stars) Sam Neil and Jeff Goldblum would have trounced the 'Old-Guard' at the box-office....had it *NOT* been for the CGI of 'Jurassic Park'? Or that Keannu could hold his own against the likes of JCVD/Seagal, without the technicians behind 'The Matrix'?
Sorry you (obviously) didn't like 'The Expendables'...but like it or not, it *was* a return to the 80's shoot-em-up genre, that's it's stars once dominated. Had groundbreaking CGI *not* came along...we'd have likely had more generic action-fare (Commando 2....Cobra 2, etc) but CGI opened the doors to unlimited possibilities....and suddenly muscle-dudes with guns, would no longer cut the mustard. Schwarzenegger ushered in said FX (and eventually they engulfed him)

Now.....here's some advice....Work on your 'people-skills'....tone down your (obvious) anger issues, and you might just get a response to your (inevitable) reply?

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lol

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Everything you said sounds about right.

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I'm going to agree with maximum on this one. Moder films have almost no story lines, little depth, and are all about the special effects. Tastes in film did not become more sophisticated.

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It's also no coincidence that the likes of 'The Matrix' put paid to the box-office clout of genuine Martial art stars (Seagal, Van Damme) because now (with CGI) anyone could be a ninja.

Except the majority of the stunts and fights in the first Matrix were all real.

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Yes, but with wires (something that either Seagal or Van Damme had not used nor needed, up to that point)
Or are you referring to those reknowned martial-arts masters like Keanu Reeves, Laurence Fishburne, Carrie-Anne Moss and Hugo Weaving?
Or perhaps the cast of Charlies Angels or Tomb Raider, as well?

(.....and please don't embarrass yourself any further, by citing whatever McDojo credentials the PR people tell you about Keanu Reeves, either)

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Just pointing out that the martial arts stunts in the Matrix were all practical with minimal CGI. I think “genuinely martial arts stars like Seagal and Van Damme’s careers ended because their movies mostly sucked anyway.

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Ehh, there were a lot of practical choreography that went into the fights, but lots of string-fu, too. In fact, most of the "impressive" stuff seen in The Matrix was either aided by or buffered by CGI/strings.

From a technical perspective, sealgal72 is correct. Keanu, Moss, nor Fishburne were pulling out moves equivalent to what Seagal or Van Damme were doing WITHOUT special effects or wire-fu. The back-and-forth roundhouse kicks Neo did in Matrix: Revolutions, for example, were done with CGI. Many of the throws and flips that were done were aided with CGI/strings.

There is truth in the fact that Seagal/Van Damme torpedoed their own careers (Van Damme turning down a two-picture deal with Universal, and Seagal becoming his own writer/director and ruining any box office mojo he earned up until Under Siege). But everyone and their mama becoming a kung-fu legend thanks to CGI/string-fu is more true than anyone might like to admit. It gave Angelina Jolie her first blockbuster start with Tomb Raider, turned a 90lbs Kate Beckinsale into a badass in Underworld, and helped every average-man become an action star (this was also thanks to shaky-cam with quick-cuts, which is how the Bourne series managed to make Matt Damon look like an action star, even though he admitted he had a tough time learning the choreography and looked pretty poor in the behind-the-scenes footage trying to fight).

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He fell out of favour with audiences in the late 80s/early 90s:

-audiences got tired/bored of Rocky/Rambo (mainly due to Rambo III/Rocky V) ..and at their peak both characters became synonymous with the Reagan era (so when the RR era was over/old fashioned so too was R&R for that era anyway)

-terrible comedies (Oscar, Mom Will Shoot) vanity projects (Cobra) and bombs (Lock Up, OTT) and winning so many razzies

-Arnold becoming prominent and overtaking him as the premier muscle bound action star with superior popular movies/huge hits (Predator, Running Man, Twins, Total Recall, T2) as Stallones movie career began to suffer with the comedies/bombs etc

Then he had a major comeback in 93 with Cliffhanger/Demolition Man (the same year Arnold bombed out with Last Action Hero) and that continued with a successful big film yearly pretty much for the rest of the 90s untill he fell out of fashion again with bombs/stdvd stuff in the early 00s, then he brought back Rocky in 2006 which was well received/nostalgia and that kicked off another career resurgence with Rambo, Expendables, Creed (and hes still sort of riding that comeback despite Expendables 3 bombing domestically and Rambo V being critically mauled/razzied)

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It's simple. Audience tastes change. They don't want to see the old same-old-same-old all the time. One thing that happens to most people is that we mature and seek out more sophisticated entertainment.
Don't misunderstand me. I love a GOOD action film (there have been several bad ones) and I love the superhero genre, but as I got older, I found my feelings towards mindless action films to fall by the wayside. I wanted some real emotional content and good character studies.

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Well nobody stays on top forever, but Sly has still been a topic worth talking about for over the last 40 years.

Rocky Balboa was a success, as was the Expendables films. That one featured multiple 80s stars but Stallone was a huge part in that. As for his stand alone films now days, they do well enough for a movie that's led by a guy his age.

Not at the level of popularity that his movies were during in his prime but it is what it is. At this point in his career it really doesn't matter anyways. His legacy is set in stone so it seems like he's just having fun with what he does now.

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Agreed. He’s a legend

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Is this a post from the past? Because he's bounced back and it' been like that for years now.

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He's currently working on Expendables 4 with Jason Statham. Hopefully it goes balls-to-the-walls in the macho man territory and doesn't try to stifle out with the nonsense PG-13 crap:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/andy-garcia-joins-the-expendables-4-exclusive-1235011465/

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It will be trash just like all the other ones were. Hopefully this bombs and hard. No more of these nonsense films. It is time to retire bad film making.

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Lol. If were truly time to retire bad film making than 99.9% of everything that's released every year wouldn't be released.

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Lol true. Expendables just gets my goat so bad though. I'm literally the target audience for it and it still fails. I'm usually a rather easy lay when it comes to a well done action flick. It's macho porn and nostalgia bait trash. Predator is macho porn done well. John wick is a good action movie. I don't care if the plot is thin, but good grief have actual good action scenes in the film. All the action ducks abd all I hear are vague callbacks to nostalgia or joke references which are painfully unfunny.

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”Hopefully this bombs and hard”?
Hopefully this will be a great film and we will all enjoy it!

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Let me revise my statement. If it's good I hope it does well if it's garbage I hope it bombs. Going off the track record though it's a high chance it will be crap. The other 3 expendables movies sucked. Nostalgia bait trash. I enjoy movies like this when they are well executed these films are not. You want good versions of this idea watch Dredd 2012, John wick fillms or the raid films.

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If the movie flops we know who is to blame.

You guessed it,




FRANK STALLONE.

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(Or so the Germans would have us believe)

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Your title is wrong. His careers decline has not been linear. He's had ups and downs the whole way.

The 2000s saw some big hits, even of he was just riding the coattails of his 80s successes.

I am pissed off that recently he put the name Rambo on that generic, cartel movie he conned us Rambo fans into seeing. That was not John Rambo.

I'd say that overall, he's done well to navigate the changing industry.

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It's rare for an entertainer to stay red hot over decades like a Tom Cruise, Joan Rivers or Keanu Reeves. The majority will fizzle out.

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Precisely this. As the guy above you said, he's done fairly well at navigating the changing industry despite the constant ups and downs in his career.

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When exactly THE FUCK was Joan 🤮 Rivers “hot” in the last 30 years?i

I expect an answer, Keelai.

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Joan has been hot since Johnny Carson discovered her in the 60s. She was always working because of her popularity.

Joan Rivers net worth = $150 million!!

To name only a few:

*12 bestselling books
*Popular TV shows including "Fashion Police"
*Popular jewelry and apparel on the QVC shopping channel
* Iinducted into the Television Academy Hall of Fame
*Popular stand-up shows including before British royalty
*Motion picture about her
*Popular radio program

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You and I have different notions of “hot.” I use “hot” as “visceral and incendiary.” You use it as “popular, and easily, trivially quantified.” You instantly recite her net worth. Good for her, but there are lots of ho-hum
millionaires. Rivers is personally and physically repulsive, so appeals to women like herself. Stallone is a star. Rivers is a shill. Good luck to her.

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What a weird turn this thread has taken.

Rivers is more than physically repulsive. She dead.

So, yeah, Stallone definitely doing better than her on all fronts at this point.

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Stallone WAS a star. His wife just dumped him, too.

Meridian-Webster:
currently popular or in demand

Accurate description of Rivers when she was alive. Her money came from people supporting her many endeavors.


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Pathetic

And it’s Merriam-Webster. I know: scholarship eludes you.

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Pathetic

And it's Merriam-Webster. I know: scholarship eludes you.

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hahahahahahah keelai the hutt wtf are you talking about hahahahahah

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