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Most underrated and most overrated movie by Steven Spielberg and why?


Here's my pick-
Most overrated - Schindler's List (1993)

This was an easy choice for me because imo Schindler's List is a flawed and ridiculously oversimplified version of the Holocaust.The biggest problem is Oskar Schindler's grand emotional transformation. In fact, there is no transformation. Midpoint in the film, the Schindler persona has disappeared, and we have a new character clothed in the same flesh -- a self-sacrificing philanthropist. How did we get from one to the other? And then we have Amon Goeth. He's an evil, sadistic, Jew-hating Bastard - but do we get to know why he wakes up every morning, takes a swig of booze and snipes Jew prisoners for fun? No. Spielberg thinks the answer is obvious -- he's a Nazi, and Nazis don't have reasons for the things they do. The attempt to add depth to Göeth's character by dwelling on his twisted love affair with a Jewish girl is easily seen for what it is -- a cheap exposure of Nazi hypocrisy. I also take issue with Liam Neeson's terrible german accent and the way Spielberg uses the suffering of Jews as a thematic tool, to build suspense. One of the truly unforgivable aspects of the film is the ending. When Schindler took off his gold ring and blubbered "I could have saved one more", I experienced a feeling of mild revulsion. It was cheesy, completely out of character and completely unnecessary. Ending a Holocaust movie with a triumphant rescue scene is as pathetic as it gets. Schindler's List is a dumbed down version of the Holocaust and the moral and intellectual depth of the film is as though it's aimed at children.

Honorable Mention - Saving Private Ryan (one of the most over patriotic, flag-waving and morally simplistic war films I've ever seen)

Most underrated - A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001)

A.I. is a bleak and visionary masterpiece and imo it's Spielberg's best film to date. The ending is ridiculously depressing, particularly once you realise that the cloned Monica is thoroughly unlike the real one. The clone Monica is fake designed to unconditionally love David, just as David was created to unconditionally love Monica. But both David and the audience bought it, which is why everyone complained about this being a "happy" ending. Is this our understanding of love? Programmed obsession? What's ironic is that's precisely what Spielberg intends to show you in this scene. Both David and the audience are willing to delude themselves for that happy ending. Spielberg says this is what it means to be human. David's ability to believe in the Blue Fairy is a parallel to man's tendency to believe in a god he cannot see. Not to mention the ending becomes even more depressing once you realise the last shot is of a boy choosing to die next to his mother's corpse because he's refusing to believe that she fades away. The central question of Collodi's Pinocchio fable has always been "What does it means to be human?" A.I. finds dark and sobering answers. To be real is to be mortal. To be human is to be governed by irrational love, blind faith, self-delusion and eventual death.
A.I. is just as philosophical as 2001 and just as poignant as E.T. and it deserves to recognised as one of the greatest sic-fi films of all time.

Honorable Mention - War of the Worlds, Munich.

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Heh, I find your Schindler's List criticisms quite ironic. Here you are criticizing the film by calling it simplistic and "dumbing down" the Holocaust and yet your biggest problem with the film is that Spielberg doesn't dumb down Oskar Schindler's character and provide a simplistic explanation for his transformation.

Here, watch this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAM5q837enk Spielberg himself says here that he's never had any of the survivors tell him definitively when Schindler decided to save Jews and stop being a Nazi. Spielberg stays true to that in the film. There are a few scenes here and there you can point to as being catalysts, but never anything that spells it out for you and says, "This is the moment he changes!"

Hell, Roger Ebert got it back in 1993: http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/schindlers-list-1993

Why did he change? What happened to turn him from a victimizer into a humanitarian? It is to the great credit of Steven Spielberg that his film "Schindler's List" does not even attempt to answer that question. Any possible answer would be too simple, an insult to the mystery of Schindler's life. The Holocaust was a vast evil engine set whirling by racism and madness. Schindler outsmarted it, in his own little corner of the war, but he seems to have had no plan, to have improvised out of impulses that remained unclear even to himself.

What's funny is that Spielberg is often accused of being a "comforting" filmmaker who provides answers to everything (by people who don't understand him, like Terry Gilliam), yet here's Spielberg providing you with a complex, human character - the final scene where Schindler breaks down crying, which represents the climax or culmination of Schindler's transformation, is constantly accused of being "sentimental" or "emotionally manipulative" and other such criticisms that continue to be parroted all over the internet, yet it would have been all of those things had Spielberg provided you with a more simplistic, dumbed down version of the character: One who explains who he is, what he's doing, one who's portrayed as a saint from the outset. If anything, the crying scene makes you wonder even more what exactly it was that changed this man. What makes you wonder even more is Spielberg's choice to draw comparisons between Schindler and Goeth.

Amon Goeth, who is constantly accused of being a one-dimensional character (even Ebert called him that), is actually far more complex than that. Unlike most movie "psychopaths," he never seems to relish what he does. The whole activity of killing Jews is so mundane to him that it astonishes us. This banality of evil is supposed to be crushing and again Spielberg doesn't explain where or how Goeth became like that or why. Instead, much like Schindler, he just is. His relationship with Schindler is complex (and let's not forget, Schindler still defends him even after knowing what kind of a man he is, saying it's just the war that's changed him) as is his contradictory relationship with Helen Hirsch, which is again more complex than simply "cheap Nazi hypocrisy."

Another complex relationship in the movie is between Schindler and Itzhak Stern. Once again, Spielberg could have provided answers, explained their relationship to you, explained what Stern felt about Schindler and how, and when and where and why Stern realized Schindler was helping Jews but even until the end he never resorts to such simplistic filmmaking. One of my favorite shots from the film is when they're making the list, and Stern asks "What did Goeth have to say about this?" and Spielberg shoots the scene from behind Schindler, his back to the camera, his facial expression unseen, as Stern makes one realization after another that Schindler is paying out of his own pocket to buy those Jews from Goeth.

Spielberg never spells these characters out for you - nor does he provide you with comforting moments or happy, "triumphant" endings. The scenes involving the women being sent to Auschwitz and then being "rescued" by Schindler actually did happen: http://www.oskarschindler.dk/schindler9a.htm

By a mistake 300 Jewish Schindler-women were deported in cattle cars to the death camp Auschwitz. Certain death awaited. A Schindler survivor, Anna Duklauer Perl, later recalled: 'I knew something had gone terribly wrong .. they cut our hair real short and sent us to the shower. Our only hope was Schindler would find us.'

The Schindler-women did not know whether this was going to be water or gas. A survivor, Etka Liebgold, later told:'One night they took us to the gas chamber. We were waiting the whole night - in the morning we found out: Schindler is here.'

The women heard a voice:'What are you doing with these people? These are my people.' Schindler! He had come to rescue them, bribing the Nazis to retrieve the women on his list and bring them back. And the women were released - the only shipment out of Auschwitz during WW2.

And because Spielberg is so subtle, you and very many other people have missed some important bits: When Schindler's women get out of the showers and are being led away, a couple of them look back at another group (including children) that is being led by the Nazis into a building and the camera then tilts up to show you a chimney sending out large fumes of smoke and then you suddenly realize - that's not snow you've seen so far. When the Schindler women are later "rescued" by Schindler and taken away in trains the camera pans left from the train to show you a quick shot of suitcases being emptied and dumped on the ground. This scene provides a great contrast to a scene much earlier in the film where Schindler "rescues" Itzhak Stern from a train heading to Auschwitz (only, this time, for his own selfish needs), and again, the camera moves away from them and shows you something more haunting: suitcases being emptied, clothes that will never be worn by anyone again being dumped on the floor, jewelry and personal belongings being collected from people who will never see it again.

This is the film's greatest strength. It could very easily have been a relentless horror film where Spielberg exploits the deaths of millions of Jews to make you "feel" something. Instead Spielberg respects both the victims and the audience by not showing all the violence and instead focusing on a lot of these smaller, more haunting moments where the horror is suggested and implied. Any hack can make a film that's "provoking" (look at all those indie/European "provocateurs" making movies nowadays, they're a dime a dozen), it takes great courage to approach a subject like the Holocaust and not let your emotions get in the way of it, to respect your audience by not assuming they're dumb and need to be spoon-fed that the Holocaust was horrible. The Holocaust was horrible - and that's what the girl in the red coat represents: the obviousness of it all.

The film is far more accomplished, nuanced, complex, and brilliant than most people (even the ones who like it) think it is.

Saving Private Ryan (one of the most over patriotic, flag-waving and morally simplistic war films I've ever seen)

Oh this should be good. This is another set of criticisms against a Spielberg film I've always found baffling (much like those Schindler's List criticisms). How exactly is SPR any of those things?

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That's a very artificial answer. You responded to every one of my criticisms by simply conjecturing that it's much more complex than that and I just didn't get it. But where's the depth? All you say is it's there and I have no reason to believe you.
First off I just realised something. I think my criticisms about Amon Goeth are invalid because his motivations are not the focus of the story. As Hitchcock aptly put it "A villain is defined by his intentions not his motivations". But I stand by everything else I said.
And Oskar Schindler has no arc. One moment he's a slave-owner next minute he's the self-sacrificing philanthropist. How did we get from one to the other and that too in no time? Of course I don't expect an explanation for the transformation but I do expect it to make sense. Schindler's List gives no insight into the psychology of its protagonist. And realism is a *beep* argument. No historical film is realistic. In fact no movie can ever mimic reality. Stanley Kubrick once said "When you're make a film, you don't photograph the reality, you photograph the photograph of the reality." and that sums it up pretty well. Raging Bull is a great film not because of its historical accuracy. It's a great film because it breaks into the psychology of one of the most complex characters in cinematic history. Without the arcs, a film can't possibly work. Schindler's List is the perfect example of a film that's immune to criticism because of its subject matter. This isn't an example of leaving something open to interpretation. This is an example when a film takes cheap shortcuts. You can leave part of the plot up for interpretation as 2001: A Space Odyssey, you can leave ideas and philosophies open to interpretation like Tree of Life but you CANNOT leave character motivations open to interpretation when the whole film is about that character.
The only great aspect is its technical achievements. But like I said it's preposterously oversimplified. The Holocaust was not just a physical assault on a people, it had immense psychological impacts that extended beyond just jews. Having a few people cry in the film doesn't exactly qualify as analysis of those ideas. There's a fine line between subtlety and superficiality. Schindler's List is the a case of the latter.

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No such thing in art. A film can do whatever it wants to do. If the film wants to leave its protagonist's motivations up in the air and not define them, it can. Maybe if you didn't have such rigid rules as to what a film can and can't (or should and shouldn't) do, you might actually be able to like this film.

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I don't think he's thought it through. There are plenty of films that have an enigma as a central character, Lawrence of Arabia being perhaps the finest example.

And it's not like character motivations aren't hinted at throughout Schindler's List, it's just that Spielberg doesn't settle on a single defining moment or decision. One part of the film that I find particularly telling is when Schindler explains to Goeth that true power is having every justification to kill but choosing not to. It's easy to overlook this moment, yet it reveals that perhaps the only real difference between the two men is how they derive their feelings of power; Goeth from killing people, Schindler from saving them.

In fact Spielberg mirrors many of Schindler's and Goeth's actions, and as characters they share many of the same traits; a love of fine living, of money, of power, of parties, of wine, of women. At different points they each defend the actions of the other to those questioning their intentions. When defending Goeth to Stern, Schindler calls the Nazi commandant "a wonderful crook", a term that could be used just as easily to describe Schindler himself.

I think the biggest problem the OP is having with Schindler's List is that he believes it to be a film about the Holocaust and is judging it solely on how it examines or explains that particular tragedy. But calling Schindler's List a film about the Holocaust is like calling Gone With the Wind a film about the American Civil War. It's largely the backdrop to a story about one man's - or one group's - experiences during that period. If someone were to look at Schindler's List as if it should be (or wants to be) the definitive explanation of the Holocaust then no wonder they think it's oversimplified.

What the film is actually about is the act of witnessing. There's that famous quote about Schindler's List that often gets attributed to Stanley Kubrick: "The Holocaust is about six million people who get killed. 'Schindler’s List’ is about 600 who don’t." Whether or not he actually said this, the idea that the Holocaust is defined simply by death isn't one that I particularly agree with. If anything the Holocaust is defined by those who survived it; by those who witnessed it and let their stories be told. And this is the point of view taken by Spielberg in Schindler's List. It's about how important the act of witnessing is and how even the powerless can proactively regain their power through the stories they tell. By extrapolation, it also becomes a film about filmmaking itself, as many of the best movies are.

Professor Miriam Bratu Hansen provides the most astute examination of this theme in Schindler's List:

‘Throughout the film Stern is the focus of point-of-view edits and reaction shots, just as he repeatedly motivates camera movements and shot changes. Stern is the only character who gets to authorise a flashback, in the sequence in which he responds to Schindler’s attempt to defend Goeth (‘a wonderful crook’) by evoking a scene of Goeth’s close range shooting of twenty-five men in a work detail; closer framing within the flashback in turn foregrounds, as mute witness, the prisoner to whom Stern attributes the account. The sequence is remarkable also in that it contains the film’s only flashforward, prompted by Schindler’s exasperated question, “what do you want me to do about it?” Notwithstanding Stern’s disavowing gesture (“nothing, nothing – it’s just talking”), his flashback narration translates into action on Schindler’s part, resulting in the requisitioning of the Pearlmans as workers, which is shown proleptically even before Schindler hands Stern his watch to be used as a bribe. This moment not only marks, on the diegetic level of the film, Schindler’s first conscious engagement in bartering for Jewish lives; it also inscribes the absolute difference in power between Gentiles and Jews on the level of cinematic discourse, a disjunction of filmic temporality. Stern is deprived of his ability, his right to act, that is, to produce a future, but he can narrate the past and pass on testimony; hoping to produce action in the viewer.’

In other words, Spielberg finds a purely cinematic way to show how even the most powerless of people can tell their story and by doing so fundamentally change the actions and thoughts of others. This isn't simplistic filmmaking at all; this is cinema at its most pure and thoughtful.

After Schindler's List was released, Spielberg dedicated much of his time and money into establishing the Shoah Foundation in order to ensure the testimony of survivors was recorded for all time. That's how important this theme was to him.

Anyway, it never fails to amaze me how seemingly intelligent people can look at a particular Spielberg film and take it wholly at face-value without putting any thought into the images, themes and ideas on display. Clearly the OP has given a film like A.I. the necessary attention and thought it deserves (probably because of the Kubrick connection), yet he then dismisses Saving Private Ryan as "one of the most over patriotic, flag-waving and morally simplistic war films I've ever seen".

Put simply, this is as wrong-headed as film criticism gets. There's a great deal of difference between showing the image of an American flag and flag-waving. Yes, the film begins and ends with an American flag, but the flag is different to its usual portrayal (as many commentators noted), appearing thin and transparent, bleached of its colour, mournful rather than triumphant. This is echoed in the music too which, though oft-criticised for its sentimentalism, never enters the realm of the triumphant but maintains a sombre tone throughout. Old man Ryan doesn’t show pride or patriotism for his actions but guilt for having survived. The film doesn't advocate or celebrate the actions of those in it, it mourns the fact that those actions were necessary in the first place.

A question: why is it that everyone who does the decent thing in the film ends up paying for it later on? Caparzo attempts to rescue a child and is warned ‘we’re not here to do the decent thing’ moments before being shot and killed for making the attempt. Wade, the medic, has the ultimate decent job of saving the lives of his comrades, yet it is he who's next to die. Miller, in a moment of reminiscence for his former life, allows Steamboat Willy to walk away only to be killed by the very same man later on. Even the mission itself, whilst on the face of it a ‘decent’ thing to do, ends up costing the lives of almost the entire squad. Only three of our protagonists survive – Upham, the coward; Reiben, the cynical realist; Ryan, the somewhat bratty target.

The implication is that, even in a justifiable war, the morality of decency is completely incompatible with the morality of warfare, and it's this above all else that Spielberg mourns, and it's for this reason that war and violence are seen as fundamentally unnatural. So, yes, let us honour the actions of those who sacrificed so much during the Second World War but let us also condemn the idea of war and violence, even as we recognise their potential necessity and mourn that fact. Trying to paint this as singularly pro-war or anti-war only simplifies something that Spielberg tries hard not to.

The character most representative of the audience in Saving Private Ryan is Corporal Upham (Spielberg has confirmed he's also most representative of himself). It's Upham who becomes the focal character in the second act of the film; we literally see his point-of-view during the attack on the radar tower. He's an intelligent, morally conscious, civilised individual, somewhat out of kilter with the rest of the squad (again reflecting the 'modern' audience sat in the theatre). Upham begins the film with a nostalgic, romanticised view of warfare; he quotes Henry V and Tennyson and extols the virtues of brotherhood in battle (reflecting both the audiences' and probably Spielberg's previous understanding of the 'Good War'). Yet by the end of the film Upham has realised what the rest of the squad already knew; that this war is illogical, random, horrific; that those in it act not out of patriotism or to 'sacrifice themselves on the altars of freedom' but out of self-preservation and the preservation of those standing next to them. That this war is merely a hindrance to their return home; something terrible and terrifying to be endured; something that is truly f—-ked up beyond all recognition. It's this change in Upham's view of the war that Spielberg hopes to also instil in the audience.

If Upham ended the film with his nostalgic, romanticised view of warfare then SPR's critics would have a point (i.e. that Spielberg's purpose was to retain the status quo in terms of our view of soldiery and the 'Good War'). But he doesn't. In the final battle in Ramelle, Upham shirks his duties and acts out of cowardice, resulting in the deaths of several members of his squad. In a fit of anger and guilt, Upham then kills Steamboat Willie in cold blood in revenge for the death of Captain Miller. But this isn’t a moment of redemption (the disapproval on the face of Miller when he witnesses other Americans shooting prisoners makes this clear) but a signifier of how the war has corrupted Upham’s moral decency and civility. The self-knowledge that Upham strives for throughout the film ends up being something far darker and more disturbing than either he, or perhaps the audience, expected. Spielberg’s message is clear - even a justifiable war can be morally and ethically abhorrent and even the most civilised and innocent of people can be corrupted by it.

Over patriotic? Flag-waving? Morally simplistic? Yeah, right.

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Your post is absolutely spot on Chris_Parker5. Schindler's List is one of the most overrated films of all time. I hate it's superficial hollywood approach to holocaust. There is absolutely no depth in the characters, just emotional manipulation. I actually found it rather distasteful.
And yes Saving Private Ryan is also really awful, totally simplistic. I like the first 20 minuttes, but I hate the rest.

A.I. is indeed Spielberg's masterpiece, a truly philosophical work.
I also find War Horse to be pretty underrated, I love how it shows the animal's ability to change the different characters lifes through their relationship to it.

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No such thing in art. A film can do whatever it wants to do. If the film wants to leave its protagonist's motivations up in the air and not define them, it can. Maybe if you didn't have such rigid rules as to what a film can and can't (or should and shouldn't) do, you might actually be able to like this film.

Movies can do whatever they want? Sure, but plenty of terrible movies with 2.0 imdb ratings did just that. Let that thought sink in for a moment.

Granted, what constitutes a good or bad movie is subjective, but ask yourself why some movies get universally panned, while others get universally praised. Why is The Dark Knight considered a better movie than Batman and Robin. By your logic, there is no good or bad, and both those movies are equal in all regards. We all know that's *beep* though. Think about it.

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Hey!!!. For me, "Dark Knight" is BAD like "Batman and Robin". For others words, Dark Knight is so,so,so,so patetically serious that is crap and "Batman and Robin" is, in opposition, so,so,so, patetically funny that is equally crap.
So, Sbowesuk, i disagree with you, the art is a completally subjective think, yes. That is a very good think, crucial and aliciant.

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What?!

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