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When can he make movies again?


He was acquitted of his accusations (even if he really did it), so shouldn’t he be allowed to make movies again, at least in Europe like Woody Allen and Roman Polanski?

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He should be allowed to make them here, but liberals have started equating accusations to facts, unless those accusations are directed at liberals.

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Yeah, yeah and again this is just your biased against liberal speaking, not facts. 🙄

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Good one! 😂 Explain why Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon get a pass for wearing black face, but Megan Kelly got fired for doing it when she was a kid?

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I don't say that this "liberal agenda" you guys are constantly bashing and seem to say that it's responsible for every single problem in the country doesn't exist at all. It might as well but a real thing, I don't really care about this whole bashing of political sides.

However, it certainly isn't responsible for everything happening, especially since on both sides you seem to think that everything bad comes from the other side (the political party you are against). And I'm talking to both: extremist republicans and extremists democrats. Seeing how both of you say that the opposition is the real problem, there has to be someone in the wrong. I won't debate who, I'm honestly really fed up with this anyway.

Now, I promised myself to avoid talking politics and where I stand at. I just did and in the wrong section (we are not even supposed to talk politics outside the politics board). This will be my first and last intervention on the subject.

P.s.: I'm really informed about this blackface situation and I personally think that neither should receive a backlash because of this, especially if it's old news. The same bullshit happened with Justin Trudeau, canadian prime minister, because he wore a blackface... 20 years ago!! It's getting really ridiculous.

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There is no bias from me, that was an incorrect assumption. I'm also against against the far right. In fact, I loathe blind political partisanship. Having said that, I think extreme liberalism is truly a very dangerous issue right now. Nobody has taken the far religious right seriously in decades, so no need to be concerned about them at the moment, but cancel culture, shouting down opposition to restrict their speech, mob mentality and media bias are deep issues with the liberal movement that is occurring today. The deepest hypocrisy and danger is coming from the left at the moment, so that's why they have my disdain. Incidentally, I voted Democrat since the 90s in every election until Obama's second term, and I couldn't continue to support a party of hate and division.

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So-call liberals seem to be targeting 99% Democrats. Because Me Too hysteria is not "liberal" as much as you rightwingers want it to be. Cancel culture has more in common with fascism than liberalism.

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I'm not sure I agree with that, although I do see the right adopting the same technique lately. But to say it's 99% attacks from the cancel culture is going towards Democrats us simply untrue, particularly with the media's ability to cover and follow up on it.

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You should go study fascism a bit because like so many liberal numpties you like to throw the word around but appear to be clueless as to what it means... a lot like the term homophobe and racist.

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The liberalism of today is the fascism of yesteryear. It is no longer liberalism in the classical use of the term.

Really, leftism is a better term, but these days liberalism and leftism have largely become synonymous.

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If Mel Gibson can get work why could't Spacey too?

He just has to wait patiently like Mel for few years.

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Gibson is a racist, but he is not a sexual predator like Spacey. There is no law against being a jerk, but there is a law against sexual harassment and assault.

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WHICH HE WAS ACQUITTED OF.

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Where there's smoke, there's fire. When someone was accused of rape you don't let them be the face of a multi-million dollar gamble anymore.
Unfair but good business logic.

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True, but when you have over 30 allegations of harassment, it really does not look good and this is coming from some one who very much enjoys his acting.

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soon hopefully

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Yes, he should be able to because he's innocent. Soon this Me Too Witchhunt will end and things will be back to normal.

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Innocent??

If it was just the one complaint that the was acquitted on, I would agree and say sure, he's totally innocent and he should get back to work. The fact that there were multiple complaints made against him by different people on different projects, including 20 just from Old Vic Theatre, may create hesitation working with him. That's a liability producers and studios don't want.

If you (collective you, not you as an individual person) want this whole Me Too movement to stop, then people need to stop sexually assaulting and harassing other people. Until that happens, I hope it never it stops.

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The question is what does "assaulting and harassing" mean? Obviously the meaning keeps changing. The latest version is if you blew someone for a part 50 years ago you can come out now and accuse someone of assault. If you're lying like Tara Reid, Rose McGowan, Dylan Farrow, and many others are, you will be believed anyway and mens' lives ruined. Me Too went overboard; I guess they figure it's a "war" and collateral damage is acceptable to them, but not to me.
But anyway, as far as Kevin Spacey, the only thing I can determine that he's guilty of is a dumb tweet. Everything else is overblown hearsay.

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You really think those women are lying? You think that the 20 men who accused Spacey from Old Vic are all lying? Anthony Rapp? The House of Cards crew members? What did these people have to gain by lying?

The labor code in my country defines harassment as
The Code defines sexual harassment as any conduct, comment, gesture, or contact of a sexual nature that is likely to cause offence or humiliation to any employee; or that might, on reasonable grounds, be perceived by that employee as placing a condition of a sexual nature on employment or on any opportunity for training or promotion.

Sexual Assault is defined as an assault of a sexual nature that violates the sexual integrity of the victim. The Supreme Court of Canada held that the act of sexual assault does not depend solely on contact with any specific part of the human anatomy but rather the act of a sexual nature that violates the sexual integrity of the victim. When investigating a sexual assault, there are certain relevant factors to consider:

The part of the body touched
The nature of the contact
The situation in which the contact occurred
The words and gestures accompanying the act
All other circumstances surrounding the act
Any threats that may or may not be accompanied by force

The victim of the sexual assault can be man or woman and the attacker can be of the same sex as the victim. A spouse may be charged with sexual assault upon the other spouse.


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You just proved my point. That definition leaves it wide open to interpretation so something very minor could be blown up into a major crime based on how the "victim" regards it (or how he/she says they regard it). Anyway we'll have to agree to disagree. Too many lives have been ruined by those with vendettas.

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And too many victim's lives have been ruined.

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Found the rapist.

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Found the false accuser.

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Dude if you believe Anthony Rapp was lying then you're insane.

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Some forms of sexual harassment aren't a crime per se, but that doesn't mean that there aren't consequences. Sexual assault on the other hand is.

I think that it's a little curious as to why you think that these accusations are just vendettas. Statistically speaking, a man is more likely to be raped than to be falsely accused. Also, just because someone isn't convicted it doesn't mean that an assault didn't happen, it just means that assault is really difficult to prove. Especially when the victim is a man and the perpetrator is a female.

If you are concerned that you might be accused, then check your behaviour. That goes for all of us, not just you. If you are concerned about a celebrity that you like, but you do not know, ask yourself why? Why are you do sure that this person couldn't have done the things that almost 30 separate people say they did? Again, I ask, what did any of these people gain from their accusations?

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Now I realize that the definitions I provided are Canadian, but I don't think there would be too much difference.

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The real hypocrisy is that Spacey wasn't convicted of anything, while Polanski entered a plea of guilty to drugging and raping a 13 year old. Frankly Polanski has one upped Bill Cosby because at least Cosby wasn't raping any 13 year olds.

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Yeah... Cosby was an angel compared to Polanski. He only sexually assaulted several women. He was such a nicer guy. 😒

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So you think there is no difference between raping an adult versus a 13 year old? Hmm.. I would think most people would disagree. Now if you are thinking well Cosby did multiple adults and Polanski only did one kid, well we only know of one kid where Polanski admitted he did it, most pedophiles aren't one off perverts the odds are pretty fucking high that he raped other kids both before and after the one he admitted to raping.

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So there's a difference. To judge the gravity of the actions of one man, one can argue that there's also a difference between raping 60 adults vs raping one 13 year old (let's say these numbers are hypothetical before you go all facts on me).

So tell me what number of raped women should equal the rape of one 13 year old. Does the rape of 10 women equal that of one teen? Or is it 50? 100? More?

If you ask me, I don't have an answer to that. I think all rapes are disgusting. I'm eager to know your answer since you have a scale of gravity and that you think Cosby is a more humane rapist.

I expect a number from you. Not an ambiguous getaway answer.

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I think you missed reading everything in the past comment or missed my point. I believe Polanski was a pedophile. I also don't think he only raped one 13 year old, he was simply only caught in that one instance but like most all pedophiles was most likely a serial rapist of children and probably raped many more kids over the years. So like you there is no need to try and quantify the unquantifiable. Polanski most likely has raped as many kids as Cosby has raped women... but when you are a rich pedophile in Europe you get the Jeffery Epstein treatment from the Eurotrash governments that turn a blind eye to raping kids. Why else would France and Switzerland refuse to extradite a pedophile that wasn't simply convicted but swore under oath in court that he was guilty of drugging and raping the girl.

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If I missed the point, then you also missed my hypothetical one (intentionally). It's alright. I knew you couldn't answer. I mean... who could?

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Your hypothetical didn't deserve an answer because as you freely admit it was unanswerable.

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Just because I said I didn't have an answer doesn't mean there isn't any. Funny how pride makes people say things like "didn't deserve an answer" instead of simply admitting they can't answer.

You absolutely did what I was sure you would do: give me an ambiguous getaway answer.

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Tomorrow at 3 o'clock.


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😂

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I wouldn't hesitate to watch a new film with Spacey.

"But there are 50 allegations!"

There are also a lot more than 50 people who will swear up and down that they were abducted by aliens.

People lie. We have a criminal justice system to protect the rights of real crime victims, yet the vast majority of the MeToo brigade quail when the time comes to state their claims under oath.

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I'm sorry, but this comment is such bullshit. Who are this vast majority? Why are you more apt to believe one person over 50?

The idea that most allegations are false is false. https://cdn.atixa.org/website-media/atixa.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/12193336/Lisak-False-Allegations-16-VAW-1318-2010.pdf

if TL;DR

Among the seven studies that attempted some degree of scrutiny of police classifications and/or applied a definition of false reporting at least similar to that of the IACP,
the rate of false reporting, given the many sources of potential variation in findings, is
relatively consistent:
• 2.1% (Heenan & Murray, 2006)
• 2.5% (Kelly et al., 2005)
• 3.0% (McCahill et al., 1979)
• 5.9% (the present study)
• 6.8% (Lonsway & Archambault, 2008)
• 8.3% (Grace et al., 1992)
• 10.3% (Clark & Lewis, 1977)
• 10.9% (Harris & Grace, 1999)

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The stereotype that false rape allegations are a common occurrence, a widely held misconception
in broad swaths of society, including among police officers, has very direct and concrete
consequences. It contributes to the enormous problem of underreporting by victims of
rape and sexual abuse. It is estimated that between 64% and 96% of victims do not report
the crimes committed against them (Fisher et al., 2000; Perkins & Klaus, 1996), and a
major reason for this is victims’ belief that his or her report will be met with suspicion or
outright disbelief (Jordan, 2004).
The stereotype also contributes to negative responses to victims who do report,
whether by family members or by personnel within the criminal justice system. When
law enforcement personnel believe that half or more of rape reports are fabricated
(Jordan, 2004), their approach to victims can easily become more akin to hostile interrogation than to fact finding (IACP, 2005b). In an effort to fight this tendency, EVAW International has published what is perhaps the most comprehensive set of training curricula, designed especially for law enforcement, which specifically address the issue of false reporting as well as the criteria for formally reporting (Lonsway, Archambault, &Berkowitz, 2007) and “clearing” (Archambault & Lonsway, 2007) sexual assault cases.
The online training materials address both the technical aspects of rape investigation and
classification, as well as its more psychological aspects, including the “cycle of suspicion” that can quickly intimidate and alienate victims and ultimately undermine a rape investigation.

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His career is over specially now that Hollywood has been overtaken by the woke mob.

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