[deleted] - Kevin Spacey Discussion

[–] TinaKimo (869) 6 years ago

I agree. Let me just say this, Kevin is a good actor and I will not stopping watching his past work. Gabriel Byrne, whom I love, better hope no woman comes out on him. Hollywood is a cesspool.

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[–] gcarras (2727) 6 years ago

I agree. And I love his past movies too!

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[–] samoanjoes (50911) 6 years ago

I agree. What upsets me is that people are treating this like a trend. Sexual harassment will never go away. It's not as if this issue just popped up out of nowhere and people are putting their foot down saying they will not stand for this. I'm sure a lot of the people would keep these creeps employed if they knew what they were doing, but it wasn't made known to the public.

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

It won't be known to the public until victims actually have the courage to come forward, and that's only going to happen if they feel secure enough that their careers won't be ruined from coming forward. That requires enough people to come forward at once to bring on the tidal wave.

You can't lay blame at the feet of execs or anyone else when the bottom line is that without a victim there is no crime. What are they supposed to do, tell the press of Weinstein when the victims aren't even willing to admit to being victimized? That's never going to happen.

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[–] samoanjoes (50911) 6 years ago

Yeah. You're outing a victim who may have wanted to stay silent.

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[–] Lord Rake (3781) 6 years ago

I don't understand some of the Spacey stuff, he's a little guy. Why didn't these guys just punch him in the face and then do to him what he wanted to do to them?

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Probably because they wanted to stay employed and he held power over their careers in showbiz. In some cases because it was literally his production, like House of Cards. In other cases just because how much wealth and power he wielded, he could easily make someone's life pretty miserable with litigation and keeping them from getting employed unless others found the strength to come forward too or there was a sea change in attitudes, which apparently there finally was.

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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

I think that was just an excuse as he wanted Plummer in th first place.

I don't think it was solely that. Because of the scandal Ridley Scott had to give up hopes of even trying to campaign for an oscar nod, and reports were that he had already resigned himself to that fate while Sony was still insisting that Spacey stay in.

So when they finally buckled under public pressure I'm sure Scott was thrilled, but it ultimately wasn't his call. In the end it was the suits at Sony that jettisoned Spacey.

Yet once the cat wa out the bag everyone seemed to already know what these people were doing, it seems as long as you cover your tracks or it isn’t in the public eye that you can get away with anything.

Well yeah, this is cardinal rule with corporations. They'll be sensitive to public pressure and public opinion because it ultimately affects the bottom line. Don't ever mistake their motivations to be about principle, because it never is.

This isn't a knock on capitalism or corporations per se, I'd much rather have them sensitive to public accounting than not.

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[–] Otter (24464) 6 years ago

This isn't true in all of the cases that hit the media, bit IMHO Spacey lost his job because his employers knew damn well what he was up to. They tolerated it as long as he made them enough money to cover all the payments made to guys he harassed or got fired, but once the story went officially public they weren't going to waste any time or money defending him. Out he went.

Same for Matt Lauer, I think. I'd been hearing nasty rumors about those guys and Weinstein for years, and if I'm hearing dirt on them way out here in Flyoverlandia, it's bad.

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