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Scorsese calls marvel movies an invasion of cinema.


What invasion? We had just three this year and two next year. You've earned a place in cinematic history to be above this kind of thing Marty.

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ITS TRUE...ALL THE COMIC OVERLOAD GARBAGE TALK RUNS RAMPANT HERE.HOWEVER IF YOU LOOK BY YEAR..EVEN A HEAVY HEAVY COMIC BOOK FLICK YEAR YIELDS WHAT? 6 OR 7 AT THE VERY MOST.A DROP IN THE BUCKET COMPARED TO THE HUNDREDS OF OTHER FILMS RELEASED.

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ITS TRUE...ALL THE COMIC OVERLOAD GARBAGE TALK RUNS RAMPANT HERE.HOWEVER IF YOU LOOK BY YEAR..EVEN A HEAVY HEAVY COMIC BOOK FLICK YEAR YIELDS WHAT? 6 OR 7 AT THE VERY MOST.A DROP IN THE BUCKET COMPARED TO THE HUNDREDS OF OTHER FILMS RELEASED.

Exactly, other movies are still being made.

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MARTY IS BUTTHURT THAT HE HAD TO LOWER HIMSELF TO NETFLIX.NOONE WAS LOOKING TO INVEST TOP TIER CASH IN AN ADULT DRAMA DIRECTED BY A GUY WHO MAKES BRILLIANT YET SOMETIMES ANTI-BLOCKBUSTER FILMS.

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He's become an old man. In his youth, he was a rebel and was for any kind of film. For instance, one of his
favorites is "The Brain That Wouldn't Die." It doesn't get "lower" than that, Marty.

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The retort that someone has gotten old for criticizing something is the only thing a culturally bankrupt generation has going for it.

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That's cute, Toots, but you know as well as I do that there have been BAD movies made since the beginning
of film. Look at the endless sludge of awful '50's/'60's sci-fi/horror films.

Marty used to be cool, now he's acting like a pompous snob. And, no, he would not have made such a
comment in his younger days.

You stand corrected.

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The retort that someone has gotten old for criticizing something is the only thing a culturally bankrupt generation has going for it. I guess it's a lot easier than saying, "We can't disagree with you, because we've got shit to show for our creative output."

You have no idea what you're babbling about in terms of movie output; like a typical millennial/Gen Z, you either "guess at" what the past was like or just look things up on Wikipedia to substitute for your lack of experience. I can remember the era in movies when we would have 5-7 great movies coming out the same year. In 1968, there was 2001: A Space Odyssey, Planet of the Apes, Romeo and Juliet, Bullitt, Rosemary's Baby, The Producers and Yellow Submarine. In 1980 alone came The Shining, Raging Bull, Caddyshack, Airplane, The Blues Brothers, Star Wars, Ep. V and The Elephant Man.

I could do that for practically every year since 1980, including the last great year of movies, 1999: Fight Club, The Matrix, Blair Witch Project, American Beauty, The Sixth Sense, Toy Story 2, Life is Beautiful, Being John Malkovich and The Iron Giant. That was just one year of movies.

Now there's just an endless stream of garbage, a million sequels, reboots and shitty CBM movies. Martin Scorsese isn't wrong because he's "old"; you're wrong because you're young.

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From the sound of it, you recently celebrated your 85th, sexless birthday, no?

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For all the stuff you mention there probably tons of shitting movies. You Remember Super Mario Bros: The Movie, Howard the Duck, Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot . In the 50's there probably was plenty of people bitching there were too many alien invasion and giant monster movies. In the 80's there people bitching that there too many movie about sweaty guys blowing shit up. Now people are bitching that there too many comic book movies. Not that i totally disagree. But its just the same shit over again. There nothing wrong with Escapism. Not all of us want to watching depressing shit all the time.

P.s. American Beauty was pretentious crap.

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The difference is there were GOOD movies alongside those shitpiles. Now it’s just a steady stream of garbage.

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For instance, one of his favorites is "The Brain That Wouldn't Die." It doesn't get "lower" than that, Marty.


It's easy to sneer in bemused contempt at old low-budget horror movies with lame names like "The Brain That Wouldn't Die" after the advent of blockbusters in the late 70s (e.g. "Star Wars"), but – believe it or not – they were relevant at one time. If you can ignore obvious plot holes and the cheap production values there's quite a bit to enjoy, which isn't to say that it's a great movie, just that it's entertaining in many ways and even unexpectedly horrific.

Yes, it's basically a Frankenstein rip-off, but the "Jan in the pan" element offers an intriguing angle with the idea of a head transplant (head transplants were already being done with animals in the 50s and are only lately surfacing as a legitimate possibility for humans). There are a few surprisingly horrific or gory scenes that are still somewhat disturbing to this day. Jan's demonical laughing in the midst of fiery perdition is effective, plus the irony of who the real monster is and isn't.

The flick scores unexpected high marks on the female front with Adele Lamont standing out as a petite babelicious model.

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You're preaching to the choir. I am ALSO a fan of the film, which I now have on Blu Ray (it looks
terrific).

My point is, he seems to have become a snob, and who can be a SNOB when they've claimed TBTWD
is one of their favorites.

My Blu Rays include "Double Indemnity", "The Wizard of Oz", "In a Lonely Place", "The African Queen",
and others. But I don't like them BECAUSE they are classy, well-made movies (there a thousands of
well-made, classy films I don't like). I just like them. Marty has seemed to forgot that, in the end,
we watch what we watch because we LIKE THEM.

As for Brain, it scores unexpected high marks on the MALE front with Jason Evers, who was SMOKING HOT!

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Well said. I wasn't expecting much with a title like "The Brain That Wouldn't Die," but I was genuinely surprised by it's quality despite being low-budget B&W horror from the early 60s.

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And the film IS eerie, subversive, and had a decent director of photography. Only in the blu ray can
we see the sharp, deep-focus photography, especially in the creepy lab scenes.

Also, it boasts one "special effect" that I do NOT know how they accomplished! Just as the car
goes through the guard rail, the camera goes right under it!! Any camera man would've been
instantly killed, and if the camera was just bolted to the car, and somebody drove it through the
guard rail, it would've required a strong, experienced stunt man, and the camera itself would've
been destroyed!! There was no room in the $60,000 budget for that!

I've watched that moment countless times for over 40 years, and have no idea how they got that
disturbing shot.

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I'll give it a rewatch soon and be on the lookout for that scene. Thanks.

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So that makes him Team DC?

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Hah! Maybe.

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I would respectfully disagree with him! From like 2014-2017 I guess there was but not know.

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He’s spot on and someone has to stand up and speak out. Superhero movies are formulaic infantile garbage free of any artistic expression keeping studios from even trying to make quality movies made to last

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I wouldn't say "superhero movies." Joker has proved that it doesn't have to always be infantile, but Marvel is the one making infantile movies. And I don't mean this as a DC vs. Marvel thing.

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Even if you include Joker (debatable) that is clearly an exception to what Scorcese is referring to. And don’t think Marvel is that different from DC, they’re both junk

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That's why I wrote the last sentence. Both DC and Marvel are mediocre.

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"He’s spot on and someone has to stand up and speak out. Superhero movies are formulaic infantile garbage free of any artistic expression keeping studios from even trying to make quality movies made to last"
So you think there should be nothing but dramas? Screw you and him! I admit I like some of his movies but for both you and him to say that superhero movies shouldn't exist is wrong! And like I said before action/adventure films have always made more money than dramas. Terminator 2 made way more money at the box office than JFK, Silence of the Lambs, and Bugsy. Jurassic Park made way more money in the box office than Schindler's List, In the Name of the father, What's eating Gilbert Grape, and Philadelphia. Forrest Gump actually is one of the few dramas to make more than big blockbusters. But for the most part the big blockbusters like the ones I mentioned have all made more money than the dramas.

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I enjoyed those cartoons when I was young - they fit the bill, were more mature than looney tunes - with some serious themes, but still rather oversimplified BS if you are above your teens.
What I find disturbing is how many adults enjoy them now

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If three vampire movies came out this year, followed by two more next year, then three more the year after that, you'd probably ask: "what's with all these vampire movies?"

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No, I'd simply not watch them and move on with my life.

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Good so then Marvel should stop showing movie trailers and shoving it down our throats.

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Oh relax.

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No, I'm just saying that if they can show me trailers and expose me to the movie, then I have every right to criticize it. Too many people will say that if you don't like it, don't watch it. Okay, then stop showing the trailers.

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And if I wear earplugs and close my eyes, how will I know that it's done? Or how about the trailers when I'm at home? Are you even serious? Carry earplugs? That's a new one.

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What Scorsese is really upset about it the lack of director power to shape films in a creative/artistic way.

An article in The New Yorker interviewed Mr Gray who came out with a new film Ad Astra. Gray lamented the current state of Hollywood and their focus on "not killing the franchise"

This focus on money above all else creates a lack of artistic expression seen in today's films.

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It's all sour grapes that the Marvel movies and superhero/comic book movies in general were making the most money.

I'm a major horror fan and let me tell you I've watched 30 horror movies that were released last year (2022) and there are of course many others I haven't seen. When do you think we'll hear about the horror invasion that is ruining cinema? You won't because horror has a hard ceiling, a horror movie making $100 million worldwide is a big hit, earning over $200 million is a massive success for the genre and very uncommon, so pretentious snobs don't feel threatened by the genre.


How many superhero movies were there last year? I think about 6?
- The Batman
- Morbius
- Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
- Thor: Love and Thunder
- Black Adam
- Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

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Exactly.

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