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Arnolds message to Russia and Putin


https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1504426844199669762

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Putin probably laughed at this ass clown's tweet.

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The governor made a factual and moving address to the world and the Russian people in particular. What is wrong with you? You sound like a Russian troll.

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Nope just someone smart enough to know fake news when I see it...Ukraine's puppet government put in by Obama now being undone.

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Agreed.

Getting a little bit tired of Arnie's 'occasional' bleeding-heart speeches (depending on the whatever relevant agenda-driven 'dilemma' comes along) After all, this is the same guy who travels around the globe (on private jet-planes) lecturing others on global warming and carbon emissions....

Perhaps Schwarzenegger is only qualified to lecture 'plebs' on the (many) perils of extra-marital affairs?

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Russian troll or just stupid? Where do you idiots get these delusions now that RT and Pravda are banned?

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Didn't you know? Foreigners and/or people who aren't white don't have the right to self determination. There's no way a free and informed society would elect an actor as head of state.😆

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The usual Democrat echo chamber at Twitter fapping to this idiot.

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Getting pretty sick of these Commie-lovers. Bye, Moviechat!

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Не позволяйте двери ударить вас по заднице на выходе.

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Russia's not communist anymore numbnuts. There's more of those idiots right here in the West than anywhere else these days.

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Love it when talks about his past history of meeting certain folks during his younger days of being a kid to body building. Fits well into the story and narrative he's trying to get at.

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He has a point at asking for peace, but he didn't mention a lot of things:

1. The damaged Ukraine - Russian relations
2. The Dombass crisis since 2014
3. The NATO-Kremlin standoff

I think only a Neutral Ukraine and a peace negotiation are the solutions. And only Russia and Ukraine can achieve that, not the US nor NATO.

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I think only a Neutral Ukraine and a peace negotiation are the solutions.

What I don't get is why this is such an issue for Russia whilst the Baltic states joined NATO with complaints but not the same outcome.

Why is Ukraine so special? Is it cultural ties or is it perhaps something to do with the gas pipelines which pass through it?

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that army black sea base might have had something to do with it - in crimea
since russia annexed crimea, the idea is - if ukraine joins nato and tries to retake crimea, nato will then get involved for real and that will cause a nuclear war

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You are right. Couldn't agree more.

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...if ukraine joins nato and tries to retake crimea, nato will then get involved for real and that will cause a nuclear war

Yeah but I don't think that's ever going to happen though because that would now be a NATO attack on Russian soil, which, like you said, would cause full scale war.

But why did Russian similarly not step in and take the Baltic states by force when they started making NATO noises? That's where I'm struggling to understand the real reason behind this invasion of Ukraine now.

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Ah, but you see, other than Russia, no NATO country or the Ukraine, for that matter, recognize Crimea as being Russian - they recognize it as being part of Ukraine. So, in the minds of the people in power, they'd not be invading Russian soil.

I can't say for certain why the baltic states were allowed to join NATO/EU. Perhaps back then Russia did not have a strategy in place to counter the expansion (it does now - in Ukraine and in Georgia, where you have another breakaway region that Georgia sees as its own, while Russia now has a military security pact with that region). Perhaps it did not see it as being as important in the military sense (no major Russian naval base there - the break from the soviet union in the baltics was much cleaner than it was in Ukraine, which retained very close ties to Russia). Perhaps it is also the cultural divide - Estonian/Latvian/Lithuanian languages are very different from Russian - Estonian language, for example, is closest to Finnish and they see more cultural/linguistic ties to Germany than Russia. I do think Russia would have used the same strategy as the one used in Georgia/Ukraine (support breakaway region - keeping countries divided), if it came up with this strategy early on. Perhaps it was all a matter of timing and lack of plans to prevent the expansion using this strategy.

At the end of the day, I dunno the elites do what they do.

A quote from 1984.

"The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim—for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives—is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters.”

This says more about revolutions than external threats. What I can tell you is that elites - or the High in the US sees Russia's High as an existential threat. Russia's HIGH views USA the same way. Meanwhile, people are easily brainwashed sheep and will do whatever the elites tell them to do - that has been the case since the beginning of time.

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👍 Nice post. Thanks.

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A neutral Ukraine is tantamount to NO Ukraine at all. Only the most gullible and naive would believe that an unalligned Ukraine would be safe, especially as long as Puuty-Tang is still in power.

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What is safety, anyways? Your own perceived freedoms are just an illusion - we are all slaving away our lives for a different master. Safety is quite similar in that regard. Would you be OK with Russia creating a security pact with Ukraine for the sake of 'safety'?

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You mean the same Russia that's lying about the reason for their "Special Military Operation"? The same Russia that's denying they're targeting civilians? Any agreement with that authoritarian regime isn't worth shit.

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Fair enough - so I have to ask, do you see the USA as a more trustworthy protector? USA has done all of the things you've mentioned.

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The US is no angel for sure but that's a lazy false equivalence. Btw, Ukraine was neutral (had no NATO ambitions) prior to 2014. You know what happened that year? The fact that they were neutral didn't stop Puuty-Tang from annexing Crimea.

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You are being purposely ignorant. Ukraine had NATO ambitions enshrined in its constitution.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-signs-constitutional-amendment-on-nato-eu-membership/29779430.html

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How stupid are you?

Note I stated prior to 2014. When was the Ukrainian constitution amended? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Of course they had NATO ambitions after their sovereignty was threatened and actually violated. But let's say for the sake of argument that Ukraine always had NATO ambitions. WHAT FUCKING DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? As a sovereign nation Ukraine has every right to aspire to membership in a DEFENSIVE alliance. The only threat to Russia would be a threat to Putin's imperial designs and desire to turn back the clock.

Nice try, comrade..

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That's an interesting point I keep pondering.

If Putin's designs are purely some archaic empire building, is that any worse (or less so) than America's interventions in the Middle East?

That was ostensibly to remove the "evil of Saddam" but was really about retaining manageable control over oil. The void that was created opened the gates of hell in Iraq...

So what's worse - Pure power seeking or attacking a country for resources?

(Of course, this assuming Putin's real aims aren't about control of gas into Europe)

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He's right, but his message is a waste of time. He'll change no one's mind.

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That’s because no one gives a shit.

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I liked his message. At least he didn’t say “screw your freedoms” like he did to us.

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my god the bile and hate on this site is just staggering at times.
people just want to rip into stuff , who cares what it is.

its infantile!

"hey lets stop the war!"
"Fuck you Arnold!"
ass clown
fake news
bleeding-heart
Democrat echo chamber
sick of these Commie-lovers
no one gives a shit.




Do you retards disagree with his message?
what the fuck is wrong with you?

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Lel

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