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River Phoenix: an icon of his time, not so much now


I find it fascinating how some stars are really iconic in their own day and age but don't really crossover into the present day as timeless icons. River is one such figure, he has more of a cult around him now but certainly not on the level of a Cobain: and yet, back in the 90s, their deaths had equally impact on the zeitgeist.
Greta Garbo is another, she was the biggest movie star in the world in her day but many people in the 21st century don't even know who she is. Why are some stars forgotten about and other stars endure: is it to do with fashions and trend?

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I dont think his death had an equal impact as Cobain on any level. Phoenix was a young, up and coming actor who was just breaking in to adult roles. Cobain was already the 'voice of a generation' and an icon.

In the end, we dont have a Rebel Without a Cause type movie or performance of Phoenix's to hang a legacy on. He was just getting started. He was good, but unproven. His only 'starring' roles were when he was a kid. With the exception of Private Idaho, which very few people saw.

Plus, I think there is that element of him putting out a very healthy (and preachy) lifestyle that might rub some people the wrong way (it did with me because I was around him at the time and I knew his 'secret'), only to be topped by the fact that he OD'd from cocaine and heroin, and that he was a borderline junkie who died from his own carelessness (or stupidity, depending on how you look at drinking a speed ball when you're already full of cocaine).

So, no starring movie, a young unproven talent, died from a drug overdose while preaching a healthy lifestyle, can cause a young actor to be forgotten.

Plus, there's Leo...

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I dont think his death had an equal impact as Cobain on any level. Phoenix was a young, up and coming actor who was just breaking in to adult roles. Cobain was already the 'voice of a generation' and an icon.



How would you know? You using the word "think" in your sentence indicates to me you more than likely weren't alive, or old enough to remember either Rivers or Cobains passing. River Phoenix had stared in some pretty iconic movies in his short life, and had already won an oscar by age 17. You're a misinformed dimwitted adolescent. I don't know where you got your info but try doing more research next on his resume before posting such ignorance.

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Misinformed? River never won an Academy Award. He was nominated for his usual deep thinker roles that he did as a child / teen actor.

I was not only alive at the time, I had been to the same parties as he was and saw him coked out.

He was unproven as adult actor and his death had nowhere near the impact as Cobains death.

If you think it did and you believe he won an Oscar, you are clearly the misinformed one and clearly are the one who probably wasn't old enough to know what was happening at the time

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chill out!!! what are you, 12? everyone has the right to speak here their opinion or share their knowlege. and if you were smart you would know that there isn't only one simple answer for the question that was asked. you don't have monopoly on truth and you try to sound like you're the voice of all the ppl. well, you're not. you said that won an oscar. since your such a fan of the research then gtfo and do one for once in your life if your incapable to think. you made a fool of yourself while trying to be an authority and dismissing someone and accusing him for ignorance  the only person who is ignorant is you 
such a shame, such a shame, such a shame... if you still think that you and your statement are reliable then your so mistaken. thanks for a good laugh.

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I want to know more about these parties! Did you meet him? Sounds like he pissed you off once or twice?

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He was definitely unproven as an adult actor, and was also in the midst of the typical career slump when he died; The period of moving out of teenage roles into leading adult roles is difficult. This had a great deal to do with him passing up generic high-profile roles in favour of scripts he found interesting but which went nowhere in practice. Without which, his profile would have been greater at the time of his passing but his still-standing credibility among young actors for the way in which he chose roles would be less.

To compare Phoenix to Cobain is redundant on a few levels. For one, an actor will rarely be as influencial in life or death as a musician based on medium. Musicians put themselves out there, actors do not. Any musician worth their salt, like Cobain, will be authentic in their presentation of themselves and their work will come from them. There is no standard to attain, individuality is key. The audience knew Cobain through his own words, and music rarely becomes 'dated' or stops being played one day.
Unlike film.

Also, there is the fact that when alive, Cobain was already being credited with single-handedly changing the culture, regardless of how misinformed that idea was.

Phoenix was never going to have the status of Cobain, but he was on his way to proving he was owed a place in his industry, and for a lot of insiders already had. It was Phoenix's promise as an adult actor that was his lasting legacy, and no one has ever been in any dispute that he had the chops to make it work. Even now, young actors credit him with being an influence on their own work and careers. Obviously the most prominent of recent times is James Franco who, like Emilie Hirsch, sites Idaho and Phoenix in it as the reason he decided to become an actor, and he felt this to the extent that he spent his own money going back through the scraps to make his own homage to the actor.

Phoenix is attached to a period in time where the philosophies he preached and the way he chose to navigate his career was not the norm of the greedy 80s, and he's attached to a period where the cooler starts of generation X were lost in moral dilemmas and high profile drug use. He has a place, it doesn't touch Cobain's 'iconic' status but he is infamously the movie counter-part. More alluring now to the hipster masses because he's under the radar.


It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black.

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I'll have to cordially disagree with you on one point. I think River was fairly proven as an adult actor. Both of his films from '91 are enough for me, and even if there were some duds piling up in the years before he passed I feel like he had done enough to prove himself as an actor. Duds are basically on every actor's filmography, though DiCaprio is nearly impervious to them. From where I'm sitting, it looks like the only thing that was going to really hinder or stop River from being a successful actor was what eventually stopped River Phoenix.

I know he got his Oscar nomination as a teenager, but he was pretty close to being an adult by the time he made Running on Empty, taking on a role that required a great deal of maturity. There's really nothing to suggest that he would have been an actor who hit their acting peak as a child or whose talent would suddenly seem to vanish or diminish.



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or stole his girlfriend...

Joon: "you're out of your tree" Sam: "it's not my tree" 

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