I think that while society is shifting as to what is acceptable not everyone is catching up fast enough. From what I understand with Morgan Freeman, there is no rape, there shouldn't be anything with DNA. This behaviour or culture of harassment was commonplace. I mean watch any movie before 2000 and even then I'm sure you will still see it. I was recently going through my teenage diaries, and there were so many instances that I wrote about with men following me in a mall commenting on my ass or walking by and grabbing it. I don't really understand why men have thought that it is ok to do some of this things. I was working at a gas station and a regular customer, out of the blue one day, told me that judging by the hair on my arms that I probably had a big blond bush. Who says that??? I don't know one woman that doesn't have a story like this.
I think that in cases like this, Mr. Freeman has been able to get away with some inappropriate behaviour because for years and years no one called him on it. So now that there is support behind women, everyone is telling their story. I don't believe that in instances like this the man (or woman's) career should be destroyed, but I do think that they should have to go through a retraining, if you will, first. If it continues, then something more severe. It will take practice. As sad as that sounds, it will take practice to break this cycle, and we all need to be aware and call it out the second it happens. This waiting and then going public...not anymore.
You can't jail someone for comments you don't like and what if a guy is genuinely paying you a compliment (ex - you're beautiful, you're hot, etc.) and yet you take it as an sexual comment, when it's just a sincere comment?
I'm sorry, I call BS on that argument. Women say far, far, far dirtier things than I've ever heard come out of a guys mouth and by the way, if a woman doesn't want a guy to notice them bodies, how about women stop dressing to get that kind of attention? There's a novel idea!
Seriously, do you really believe what you've stated above?!?
I don't see where I stated that anyone needed to be jailed. The jist of what I was trying to say is that it will take time and practice for society to change. We need to change the behaviour. I think it's totally inappropriate to touch someone you don't know. I think it's inappropriate to comment on someone's pubic hair if you've never said more than hello. Or comment on breasts or a guys penis. Most women I know have felt harassed at least once in their lives. About 50% of men that I've talked to about it have felt the same
I am saying that society needs time to shift. If someone is acting inappropriate to you, especially at work, say something in the moment, as long as you are physically safe. If you aren't safe, then go make a complaint to the cops. Don't wait anymore. Say it to the person at that moment. Say it in front of others. I don't think that it is helpful to wait and then go public to destroy someone's career. And I think that as long as there wasn't rape, that harassment training is usually a good first step instead of being fired and blacklisted.
So please....I don't know where you got that I was saying to jail someone for their comments. So yes, I do really believe what I've stated above.
For discrimination I don't think there is any greater disparity than between women and men in the court system and it favors women. They are given more lenient sentences for the same crime. There are many psychiatric studies about this that both men and women automatically view women as more trustworthy, as more vulnerable, as more valuable, and many such qualities that come into play. Even feminists admit this although they say it is a double edged sword that women are viewed as helpless.
Men and women are different and your observations may help illustrate that in that women seem more bothered by comments. It may be the case that they may get too much attention but the opposite side is that men would get too little so it makes sense but women usually only see it one way. The biggest proof would be women complaining about something ficticious like rape culture. The rape culture is in the male prisons where it is a societal source of amusement and humor.
How can rape culture be fictiicious is one instance but not another? I am also not sure where the courts favour women over men in regards to harassment, assault, and rape. I don't think we see enough cases that make it to court for everyone. The justice system, police included, are usually on the side of the accused, not the victim. That goes for all sexes, but I do agree that this is where support for males is lacking.
I think, historically, that women, minority's, gays etc...had no voice in the legal system. (in western culture, as injustice still prevails otherwise in the world today)
If they were assaulted, victimized or raped then the victim was put on trial themselves if they even dared to come forward in the first place. Basically they had no voice.
Unfortunately the tide has turned and they seem now to have the only voice. I say unfortunately because jumping to the other extreme is no more the answer then the way things use to be. The true issue has become diluted by the media taking every accusation as complete truth of incriminating behavior... and even allowing that to happen. I get no satisfaction in seeing careers and lives ruined so easily.
And rape culture? What does that even mean? I'm a woman and have experienced every degree of offenses in my life and I have never felt we lived in a "rape culture". Even after having been actually raped..
I do not equate flirting or inappropriate remarks with harassment and assault. There are different degrees of what some women find offensive while others may not. But regardless, they are not even close to the same things. Do we live in a world now where we now feel we are entitled to never be offended?
What about those of us that are offended by that very notion?
I think Harvey Weinstein, and others like him, had the clout and position to probably be guilty of all the unpleasant accusations against them.
But I think it's very disingenuous not to recognize that some other of the rich and famous typically have those groupie elements that initially approach celebrities willing to do whatever it takes to get ahead or have a piece of the pie. To be naive about this is being dishonest.
And then some perhaps like Morgan Freeman just think they are being flirtatious and don't even regard it as positioning themselves over others. Maybe it's inappropriate at times and going too far but I don't think it deserves their ruin.
I agree with much of what you said, but I do not agree that victims have the only voice. Perhaps in the court of public opinion, which does destroy careers. If victims had the only voice in the court system I wouldn't know the names of Brock Turner or Robin Camp.
I do agree that the public does not give due process and that careers are being destroyed for what appears to be minor things. People's lives have also been destroyed over tweets. I struggle with what is or isn't harassment. When this started I looked at the legal definition and it's pretty broad. I am pretty sure I am guilty of some sort of harassment in my life. I know that a woman made a youtube video awhile ago about all the harassment she received in a day walking in NY? and I didn't think that everything was that bad, but that's me. The key to the legality of it is that it's unwelcome. So what is good fun for one person is harassment for someone else. This is the culture shift that I am referring to. That we need to be aware of what is and isn't welcome. As the person who is receiving the unwanted attention we need to speak up in the moment. As the person who is making the comments we need to stop when someone says no thanks.
These situations where someone like Weinstein has been accused of rape that's different to me than over zealous flirting. At this point I don't know what has been said to Freeman about not continuing with lecherous behaviour. If nothing, then he deserves a pass. If he has ignored complaints, then yeah, maybe a bit of a slap on the wrist. Same with Louis CK. He didn't force anyone to do anything from what I know.
I only mentioned rape culture because of
The biggest proof would be women complaining about something ficticious like rape culture. The rape culture is in the male prisons where it is a societal source of amusement and humor.