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Must be an imbecile in real life:-(


Being not just a scientologyst (which already qualifies you as a dim person) but one of the top chiefs of the cult. That must take a very misguided and weak individual, and judging by the facts we know about his private life, that's the case here.

So you have a very popular actor, who's also very rich because of his popularity, that could go on living a great, decent and healthy life but instead prefers to be a crucial part of this abusive cult.

I am a fan of his professional work, he's a fine actor and he used to have the best instinct for picking roles. I don't want to bash him for being an idiot, it's not his fault afterall, but I confess I wish he was at least a normally intelligent person in real life.

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I'm pretty sure that someone in his elevated position is treated much differently than the common man so it's easy for him to reject the negative..
One positive of Scientology would be their dianatics self actualizing theme which I think that Tom feels he owes his success to ..even though it has manipulated his personal life to where no one should really want to be involved with him.
He's blinded to its faults because of his success..

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It takes a pretty big idiot to be blinded to its faults, they are pretty glaring and, if anything, he should be in such position to tackle those faults instead of benefitting from them.

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It troubles you more than it troubles me.
I don't think most celebrities live in the real world but in a bubble that reinforces whatever they think..At least for the most successful of them.
It takes strong family ties to stay grounded and I don't think TC has that.

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Yes I agree with what you said, but this guy has taken the "living in a bubble" lifestyle to Michael Jackson levels.
What bothers me is that he is not just a part, but a crucial element in one of the worst cults in the world. It's their top advertisement and without him they would be history.

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No cult has been more deadly throughout human history than Christianity.

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I was about to name a different religion, then i realised that all of them were more deadly than Scientology.
I'd imagine you're right with Christianity being the worst overall , but probably Islam is the champion in recent years.
Amazing to think that both of the above named actually kill each other arguing over the finer points of their respective cult's rulebooks.

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No. Atheism. You are stupid af to be an atheist.

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This is a retard's statement ...

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I'm not the one predestined for doom.

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Really? What makes you so sure? The Holly Bibble?

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Lol. You're entitled to your OPINION.

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Michael Jackson levels....lmao...no. He does way more interviews and really puts himself out there. Just because he leaves most of his personal life to himself and doesn't do social media, doesnt mean he's a recluse. Paul Newman gave him good advice about bs like your post.....lol

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He's like MJ not because he lives with a chimp, nor because he bleached his skin, nor because he's a recluse.
I said he's taking his "living in a bubble" lifestyle to MJ levels because he's a simple minded individual who's lost touch with real life and real people, following very misguided ideas that only a priviledged bubble boy would believe.
MJ, for instance, thought it was ok, cool, or normal, appropriate or even just acceptable, for a man to sleep with teenagers. That's a man that lost touch with reality.
TC feels the same about "psychiatry is wrong", or "my ex wife is a suppressive person", or "david miscavige is a good fella and I must help his cause".
All WAY MORE DAMAGING BELIEFS THAN ANYTHING MJ EVER DID OR SAID (including any possible molestation). This is another man that lost touch with reality.

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Totally do not agree. He has his opinions and I do think some are a bit valid. I'm sure he knows what is said about him but he doesn't let it bother him. He was kinda right about medication. He did apologize to Brooke shields. He was being heavy handed, but at the same time there is some truth in what he says.

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So there was some truth to what MJ said. What's your point?

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What?

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I'm saying that what you wrote about TC can be said about MJ too, who's certainly not considered a genius in the public eye outside of his work.
So what's your point?

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I don't like Scientology. But only because I am a Christian and therefore think everyone should be a Christian because that's how Jesus said to think. Of course a lot of people are going to reject Christ because they are misguided. And yes I shouldn't have posted that comment on the general board where I called people morons for believing things that I think are foolish. That particular poster made me angry with his insistence on Dick Chaney being behind 9/11. I think that's a bunch of bologna.

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I think one can make up any BS science, but you'll be nailed if you make up BS medicine. I think that caused its downfall.

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I've been a fan of his since "The Outsiders", lol. I know he had almost no role in that one but he caught my eye XD

Honestly, and I don't mean this in a rude or disrespectful way, but I just don't understand why people can't just leave him alone. It's sad.

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I'm done even caring about his personal life, I juste think he is an one-dimensional actor and this gets boring fast..

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He's basically treated like a god - you can see how that would be very addictive. It's clear (pun) he wants more than to just be an actor, he literally wants to save the world like in one of his films. There is also a very high possibility that they have a lot of dirt on him, from the auditing sessions.

Not everyone who joins cults are "imbeciles", and Tom Cruise obviously isn't one either. He's just someone who was manipulated at a fairly early age by a system that has suckered many other talented people as well. And now, like a long-term addiction, it's very hard to break away from it.

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Possibility?

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On the bright side... He only joined the cult because of his sincere desire to get rid of what he was considering an illness )

As to imbecile... Maybe that's a bit harsh. I do not consider myself superintelligent and is not familiar with scientology literature but it took me three readings to finally get what Hubbard's 'Fear' was all about. I've also read some 'free zone dianetics' texts back in the day and it really takes certain concentration and logical efforts to get the ideas camouflaged by all that specific vocabulary of theirs.

So Cruise made it to the top of their 'church'... Was it because of his popularity? Sure. But was it only because of his popularity? Seems like some intellectual work was also in place.

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Scientology just proves religion is a joke in general. If you can get people to join the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Scientology, you show how people can easily be manipulated by religion itself to serve their needs or goals. Besides, whenever I see him give interviews, he always mention he does the movies for his fans. I have never seen him try to convert people to his cult other than people he has close relationships with (wife) or those that want to see what Scientology is about by joining it a bit only to leave after finding out it's bad. I think it's just the other weak minded individuals that get sucked into it. As long as you stay away from that cult, he won't even bother touching you with it. At least that's what I get. I haven't seen any other actor call him out for trying convert them unless they themselves wanted to see what it was about. Everyone enjoys working with Tom as he's always focused on the movie he's working in.

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"As long as you stay away from that cult, he won't even bother touching you with it."

From what I understand he does insist on having a scientology tent set up manned by church staff on every movie set he's on to promote his religion. You're right that we never see him preaching scientology to the public. But then again, I've never seen a scientologist do that as I'm not sure that's their MO on how they go about recruiting. I've seen them handing out pamplets outside their church where they try to get you to come in and take a questionnaire where they determine if you're suited for recruitment. So I'd expect that's how he goes about promoting his religion too, by recruiting other Hollywood insiders with his promotional tent.

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He's in a position that very few will ever be in their lives. He is almost a Pope-like figure in his church. That kind of power and status is beyond what even your typical Hollywood A-lister could imagine

So I can't really judge him because I can't imagine what that would be like. Of course, from the outside looking in he seems crazy to be so wrapped up in what is obviously-to-us a cult

I don't think he's an idiot. He may be a delusional asshole, but not an idiot

You assume that most people, given the opportunity, would choose to live a "great, decent and healthy life". I would say that most people would prefer to be treated like royalty if they were given the choice. Ultimately, he is like anyone deep in belief system of a religion. You assume that everyone in Scientology should see it the way outsiders see it: as a cult. How do you think all modern religions started out? Christianity got to be so massive by convincing intelligent people to believe outlandish things, and do some very morally-questionable things in order to consolidate power and influence

Humans are strange and the mind is mysterious. I'm an atheist, to me it seems plainly obvious that God doesn't exist. And if a God does exist, it isn't like anything described in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. concerned with the trivialities of human lives. It seems like total nonsense. But I can't deny that some very intelligent and successful people throughout history have been very devout Christians or Jews or Muslims

I don't think Scientology is all that different. It is newer, yes. It is less mainstream. But are their beliefs really any crazier than those in any other religion if you REALLY think about it? I don't think so. Are their practices abusive? Probably. Have members of all other religions abused human rights over the centuries? Definitely. Did that stop otherwise "good" people from remaining loyal to their church? Nope

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I'm not trying to start an argument but what exactly makes it seem plainly obvious that God doesn't exist, to you? For me it's the exact opposite.

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That it's a completely unnecessary step, IMO

If I'm willing to believe that some conscious superthing has always existed and chose to create everything, I might as well just believe that the universe was simply created spontaneously. Either way you have to believe in something arbitrary, it's just that in one case you also have to believe that that arbitrary thing has a personality

I can tolerate the concept of a Deistic god, that created the universe but doesn't meddle with daily human affairs. But the theistic type of god, that cares who you have sex with, what type of church you go to, and all these silly rules that are obviously anthropocentric, to me it's childish and just like believing in Santa Claus. Nothing that powerful would concern itself with such trivial bullshit. And if it did, it would be a tyrannical thing and not worth loving or worshiping

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"But the theistic type of god, that cares who you have sex with, what type of church you go to, and all these silly rules that are obviously anthropocentric, to me it's childish and just like believing in Santa Claus. Nothing that powerful would concern itself with such trivial bullshit. And if it did, it would be a tyrannical thing and not worth loving or worshiping"

I agree with this. I do believe in god, but basically the way you described it in your 2nd paragraph, and sans a personality, per se.

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I understand your perspective, however I feel a lot (most) people try to analyze God using human thought processes, rationale, motivation, etc. God even states, in the bible: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways". My thoughts are from the standpoint of God being infinitely more intelligent and sophisticated than were are even capable of understanding (He created our very reality, IMHO). Part of that is that He is (as is widely believed) omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, thus capable of having full awareness and the ability to interact with everything in His creation, down to the tiniest quark, so personal interaction with every living creature, simultaneously is not hard for me to wrap my head around. YMMV. I do feel that this infinitesimal little eye blink in eternity we have is for a purpose that only He knows and He doesn't ask for our approval. Of course there's more but that's a start. :)

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I never really cared for Tom Cruise and when I learned he was into Scientology I really began to wonder about him.

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