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Was Bruce Lee overrated?


Since there's quite a debate about that, specially after Tarantino's movie, let's go a bit deeper.

Was he a great fighter? The answer is he was a good one, but not a great one. This is the only recorded fight. It was a sparring with some students.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5KBnA-2NBg

To compare, this is how Tarantino portrayed the fight in his movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbMz8L5oX0E

So, was he overrated? No, he wasn't, but the problem is that he's often praised for the wrong reasons. Lee was an extremely creative person, the kind of person that keeps pushing boundaries and following a particular vision. That kind of personality doesn't make great fighters... but it makes great innovators.

In Martial Arts, he was the one that started to integrate different Martial Arts and combine them with western techniques. That seems obvious right now, but it wasn't that obvious until somebody did it. He was a very important figure in the development of modern Mixed Martial Arts. He didn't invent them, but he was the one to lay the foundation stone.

In Movies, again, he was the one that started to integrate real combat movements in Hong Kong martial arts movies. Back in the 70s, martial arts movies were based in Chinese Opera simulated fights. Jackie Chan, for example, was not trained as a martial artist but as an actor for Chinese Opera. I'm not kidding. This is how it looks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NH8w3kGaoc

If you see Hong Kong movies from late 60s and early (and even late) 70s, you can notice this. Check Come Drink With Me, or Snake in the Eagle's Shadow. Bruce Lee influenced Hong Kong movies in late 70s and 80s, and because of that, he contributed to modern Western action movies, heavily influenced by Hong Kong action movies from the 70s-80s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gR0m-tTk6w

People often praise him as the 'Greatest Fighter'. He wasn't. He could have been a pro (had been something like UFC back in the day), but probably nothing more. However, his vision and his contributions were extremely important. He was some kind of 'Steve Jobs' figure in his field. This one, and no other, it's the reason why he should be praised.

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He was a mediocre actor. He was great at cool-looking martial arts moves and choreography. In a real fight with an experienced street fighter or boxer he'd get his ass handed to him every time.

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In a street fight, no blades, one vs one, he would have managed without problems.

Against a professional boxer, same weight, who knows, call it a draw. Against a heavier one, he would have had no chance.

People use to move from extreme to extreme, because reasons. From 'Lee was the greatest fighteh eveh' to 'Lee was an useless incel asian nazi who lived in mom's basement'. Please, let's not do that.

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What he did was choreography. It depended on a cooperative adversary. An experienced street fighter would take him down, while laughing.

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In real life, it would have been difficult for him to defend himself against a group of people.

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I'm a tremendous fan of Bruce Lee, but I think this argument is fair.

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I certainly think that the idea of Bruce Lee is greater than the reality. People hear his name and they imagine him to be someone who could do literally anything in the world of martial arts, but he wasn't the most spectacular kicker when you think about people like Tan Tao-Liang or Hwang Jang-Lee.

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I've practiced martial arts most of my life (and I'm absolutely not claiming to be some super ninja whose opinion is the last word - I'm sure there are plenty of people on this site who are keen martial artists). Over the years I've trained with some seriously skilled people, but I've never seen anyone who could move like him. I'm not saying he was the best ever; for all we know there's some little Asian guy who lives in the mountains and meditates under waterfalls, who could kick his ass with one hand tied behind his back. But I've never seen anybody who came close to his technical ability. As for how many fights he'd win, we'll never know.

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This topic is overrated.

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