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Ok, I'm calling bullsh!t on this...


The following is posted in the Trivia bits under Kubrick's biography page here:

Abigail Rosen, who co-starred with Viva in Andy Warhol's Tub Girls (1967), was the first door lady at Max's Kansas City, a nightclub in New York City. She claims she had the honor of throwing Kubrick out of the club. "At first Mickey [Ruskin] hired me as the coat-check girl, but it was on the second floor and we were schlepping coats from downstairs to upstairs, and taking them back down where the people wanted to leave. It was not a good plan, besides which people would go up and steal coats. So we abandoned the whole idea and I became the door lady with Bob Russell. The embarrassing times were when Mickey asked us to kick somebody out. The philosophy behind it was that no one would beat on or abuse a woman. I was asked one night to kick Stanley Kubrick out. He was drunk and obnoxious and neither Mickey or I knew who he was. I said, 'Sir, I think it's time for you to leave now, you're not going to be happy here.' And he left. Then Mickey found out the next day who we had kicked out, and he yelled at me for not recognizing him. 'That's why I have you here,' he said, 'you're supposed to know who these people are.'".


This club didn't even open until December of 1965, and 2001 began principal photography that same month in London, so I seriously doubt Kubrick attended it's opening in NYC.

And then, Stanley Kubrick "drunk and obnoxious?" Just not seeing that.

It appears that this Abigail Rosen person obviously took a lot of drugs in her day.






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Without any verification from somebody else, it's hard to say it did happen, but as far as the time frame, what's the problem? Are you saying Kubrick never went back to New York at any time during the filming of 2001? As far as him being drunk and obnoxious, I can definitely see him being that. Have you read many of the biographical accounts of Kubrick? He could be a real know-it-all twat and I can see him getting drunk and kicked out of a joint.



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Believe what you want to believe. It sounds like hogwash to me, and it wouldn't be the first time I've found misinformation listed on IMDB, either. Considering the source--some goofball waitress whose claim to fame was being involved with the Warhol freakshow--I have no problem questioning the veracity of this anecdote.

And yes, I have read many biographical sources about Kubrick, enough to question whether SK was out in a club in New York getting drunk and obnoxious the same month his biggest production ever was about to start filming. I could see him in his in-between-films period perhaps doing this, but not when he was obsessed about a new film and lived and breathed nothing else except concentration about that project.



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It probably is hogwash, probably is a simple example of how people, decades later after some half-forgotten event, retrospectively re-imagine that past to match present interests or identifications. But what is of interest is that Kubrick most definitely would have attended Max's Kansas City nightclub in New York after it opened in the mid-1960s (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max%27s_Kansas_City). Not in order to get drunk, but more likely work-related, as the club was populated by a wide diversity of leading New York-based and visiting artists - painters, musicians, writers, poets, architects, actors, filmmakers, critics - and Kubrick at that time was commissioning a number of avant garde artists to contribute to "2001": he hired a number of them (all of whom were regulars at Max's) to contribute to the 'psychedelic' Stargate sequence in the film.

The anecdote about Kubrick being kicked out of the club first appeared in a book written and published in 1998 by the widow of the club's owner, Mickey Ruskin: Yvonne Sewall-Ruskin's High on Rebellion: Inside the Underground at Max's Kansas City (1998).

Kubrick, at the time, 1965-1968, had TWO apartments in New York, one on Central Park West that he had converted into the production offices for "2001" and was the address of his production company, Polaris Inc (this apartment is very similar both in size and layout to the apartment we see in "Eyes Wide Shut" where the Harfords also live on Central Park West). He had another apartment across the park that was just off Fifth Avenue that was the family home and where his wife and the children were living at the time. He had not yet developed his flying phobia at this point, and was regularly flying between New York and London (renting different apartments/houses throughout the 1960s while filming in London) during the making of "2001". His aversion/fear of flying mysteriously developed in 1967/68 during the editing of "2001" whereupon he never flew again and immediately purchased a house north of London, Abbotsmead (there's a recent youtube video featuring his step-daughter Katharina re-visiting this house), in Elstree/Borehamwood just down the road from the film studios where he made "2001". During the editing of "The Shining" in 1979 he sold this house and moved further north to St Albans to a larger house, Childwickbury, where his widow and step-daughter, both painters, still live.

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