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"The Menace" (1932)


Where can I see this film? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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Hi DrJulia,
As you know, I love quests. The only place I could find that sells this DVD is here. http://www.lovingtheclassics.com/the-menace-1932.html. The Film Forum in NYC holds "Pre-Code" film festivals, but I don't remember seeing this one. There is a lovely Bette Davis film that I like, which has been shown several times on TCM: "The Man who Played God"- it is pre-code but there is NOTHING racy in it at all. It's just a nice story about people doing kind things for one another.

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Thank you so much, Jennie! I was going to purchase it from Robert's Hard to Find Videos, but you've found it for a better price. :) I've seen "The Man Who Played God" and its remake "Sincerely Yours" on TCM. I was really surprised that I enjoyed the remake (although not as much as the 1932 version). I haven't seen the 1922 version. Hopefully one day....
Thanks again for being your usual marvelous self.

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DrJ.
Thanks very much. I agree, I was surprised that I liked "Sincerely Yours" also. I watched it on youTube, where it was posted in 6 parts (https://youtu.be/rm1dnv-d_ek).

I liked George Arliss in the 1932 film version, but he was a little too old for the part. (Also, doesn't he remind you of John Tenniel's Illustration of the Mad Hatter in "Alice in Wonderland?")
Jennie

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Oh, you're more than welcome, Jennie. I, too, thought George was a bit too old for the role. I've also seen him in "Disraeli" (1929 version), "The Working Man" (1933 featuring Bette Davis), "The House of Rothschild" and "Dr. Syn". You've hit the nail right on its head with your comparison of George to John Tenniel's "Mad Hatter". It'a a pity Paramount didn't secure George for the role when they filmed "Alice in Wonderland" in 1933.

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The 1933 version of Alice is actually quite creepy-- really the stuff of nightmares. I find the Duchess especially scary: http://dai.ly/xrqecd?start=2341. Same with Humpty Dumpty (although I love the WC Fields voice (http://dai.ly/xrqevh). I think they relied a bit too much on the make-up and costumes. They cast all these well known people and they were completely unrecognizable.

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I agree, Jennie. I've always enjoyed the 1933 version. Charlotte Henry was very cute (as she was a year later in "March of the Wooden Soldiers"). However, it's difficult to really love a film where Cary Grant and Gary Cooper are completely unrecognizable. One terrific thing about "The Wizard of Oz" (1939) is the actors' individualities came through under their make-up. Their facial features were well-respected. Kudos to MGM.

There is a 1931 version of "Alice in Wonderland" which is a hoot! It was filmed at a studio in NJ which was reputedly a converted barn. For a long time, this early sound version was considered lost. But, thankfully, it's been found and is shown on many YouTube channels. The Mad Hatter's tea party was skillfully done. Quite memorable! The film runs just over 50 minutes. If you haven't seen it, YouTube is the place to check it out.

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Well, I've received my copy of "The Menace". It's a short, but not an uninteresting mystery. Bette Davis is pretty as the platinum blonde love interest of handsome Walter Byron. There's a creepy museum room in the film's mansion. This film is based upon the Edgar Wallace novel "The Feathered Serpent". From the synopsis of the novel I've read, the film hasn't much to do with the novel's narrative.

Poor Edgar Wallace! His novel "The Dark Eyes of London" was filmed in Britain with Bela Lugosi in 1939 and the film has a so-so connection to the novel (as did the German krimi remake of the 1960s). Another Edgar Wallace novel "The Door with Seven Locks" was filmed in Britain in 1940. Yet, it certainly hasn't much at all to do with the novel (neither did the very odd German krimi remake of the 1960s).

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Have to say, your post sent me a googling to look up krimi as I'd never heard that term before. (very proud I learned how to hyperlink!)

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I appreciate your hyperlinks, Jennie. Yesterday, I saw your Robert Osborne one. It's so easy to click onto the hyperlinks to access info.

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DrJulia.
Hi there. I was in YouTube and the following popped up in my "you might also like" list: NBC Movie of the Week, which is a remake of Dark Victory.
Unbelievable. Not the version with Bette Davis, but what a find! Anthony Hopkins in the George Brent role was so young and beautiful. Elizabeth Montgomery was also great.

Take care,
Jennie

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Anthony Hopkins and Elizabeth Montgomery? I'm THERE! I don't care if it's not the Bette version (as great as it was). With these two staring in it, it'd have to be good at a minimum. Thanks!

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I watched it tonight. I must say that it ran a little long at 2:16. When it originally aired on TV, it was probably shoehorned into a 3 hour slot with plenty of commercials. But thanks to the miracle of technology I was able to fast forward through those long scenes I didn't care about -- (yes, I get it. She's dying. I don't want to hear all the medical diagnoses.) I just wanted to watch her and Anthony Hopkins together. Damn great couple too. His voice actually sounds very much like Richard Burton. That shouldn't be surprising since they are both Welsh. Also I liked the pre-disco 1970's styles. Anthony Hopkin's hair is just long enough to be tousled without looking like a hippie. Damn, he was cute.

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Oh, Jennie. I remember that remake from its original TV broadcast. I honestly don't remember if it was originally shown in two parts. It's been awhile. There's also the 1963 version "Stolen Hours" with Susan Hayward.

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I have a vague recollection of when it was on originally, but I don't remember seeing the end. My sister-- who had a later bedtime-- told me how it ended. This was in the days before VCRs. (Oh, wait-- there were VCRs, but they were very expensive-- we only had them in the AV dept of our school).

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I liked Elizabeth Montgomery in "The Legend of Lizzie Borden". I watched it when it first aired. I came across it on YouTube recently. I didn't have the time to rewatch it though. If it's still there, I'll give it a rewatch.

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Yes, I remember seeing "The Legend of Lizzie Borden" when it was on in 1975. Loved the theory they presented, which was probably true.

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I too thought the theory they presented was probably true. I liked the way they showed incidents and then reshowed them from another point of view later on. It was a novel idea. One of the main things that saved Lizzie was that the male jury couldn't conceive a woman being strong enough to kill two people with an ax. I must confess, I am not a strong woman. I can't even help my husband chop logs with an ax in the backyard because I just don't have the strength. It's the way my weight is distributed. If anything makes me think Lizzie might have been innocent, it's that she wasn't strong enough. However, I've read some accounts that say she was on the broad side. I've seen photos of her and she certainly wasn't a size zero.

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Dr Julia,
Have you been watching the TV series "Feud" about Bette and Joan?
Cheers!
Jennie

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I keep forgetting about "Feud", Jennie. I saw a photo of Susan (with sunglasses) as Bette and she looked pretty good. The photo of Jessica as Joan that I saw left much to be desired. It could have just been that particular photo though. Have you been watching? If so, is it truthful or fictionalized? If it's good, I'd like to see it one day. (BTW, I rewatched "The Legend of Lizzie Bordon" on YouTube. It's still good. I was surprised to see a young Fionnula Flanagan as the Bordon's maid. She popped up years later as Nicole Kidman's ghostly servant in "The Others".)

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Yes-- Fionnula Flanagan was great. I remember her in Rich Man Poor Man as well as TONS of other TV movies. She was a beautiful character actress.

Back to Feud. I actually like. I think that Susan Sarandon is a bit better than Jessica Lang. But despite her passing resemblance to Bette Davis, Susan Sarandon doesn't really make much of an effort to replicate her very unique speech pattern and accent. There are some picayune things that bother me. Like the Oscars they are using are so noticeably fake looking. And both Sarandon and Lange have real Oscars! Couldn't they have used them?

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It's somewhat disappointing finding out Susan didn't endeavor to give Bette's distinctive voice much of a try. I can't picture anyone portraying Bette and NOT affecting her accent. I saw Bette in person in a stage show in the 1970s and she was delightful. A real pro! As usual, she gave a tour de force performance and was most gracious to her audience. I wrote to her and she was nice enough to write back to me. What a kind lady!

I can't really see Jessica as Joan. I don't know. Perhaps if I see "Feud" I'll feel better about it. I always think of Jessica as the girl who tried to steal Fay Wray's role. But she was very good in "Frances". I thought I was going to like Faye Dunaway as Joan back when "Mommie Dearest" was released, but I was disappointed in both her and the film. I know how you feel about the Oscar thing. It's trivial, but I can see how it's irksome.

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I think that both actresses made the conscious decision not to do an impersonation, but an interpretation. Perhaps because both Bette/Joan had such noticeable styles that have been covered by drag queens, Susan/Jessica were concerned about being campy.

I do enjoy the show. One of the interesting things is that Bette's career was revived because she allowed herself to be viewed in a way that was not glamorous. Hell, she allowed herself to be grotesque. Joan refused to appear in any role in which she didn't look good.

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Yeah, I guess they were wise to avoid campiness. We all know how Faye Dunaway's career declined thanks to her horrendous "Mommie Dearest". Jessica probably didn't want the critics and public bashing her as an over-the-top Joan. I've always liked Joan Crawford films and interviews.

About 15 years or so ago, I read the book "Bette and Joan: The Divine Feud" by Shaun Consadine. Although I caught an error the author made by calling Joan's first talkie "The Passing Show" (or something to that effect) instead of "The Hollywood Revue of 1929", I really enjoyed the book.

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omg...OMG!! Dr. JULIA HOFFMAN...an imdb CELEB POSTER!! So glad to see you here!!

I can tell you there's a fantastic pre-code specialist in Hollywood who's also a VERY VERY nice man. His name is Mark Vieira, and his business is called Starlight Studios (photography.) he is actually in the old space that George Hurrell worked out of, and you'll find several books he's done on Golden Age Hollywood portraits on the web, in librarys/stores etc. Send him an email at his site and i bet he'd be happy to tell you where copies of that film exist. He's a true gentleman : )
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LOL, Cookie! Thanks, and I'm glad to see you here! The information you've provided is very useful and much-appreciated. I love finding out about people who are film buffs and where to find rare films, books and memorabilia. This is what these websites should be about...helping each other, friendly and thought-provoking conversation, etc. You know, I saw Bette Davis on-stage in the mid-1970s on a trip to PA. She was in a musical version of her film "The Corn is Green". It was called "Miss Moffat". Bette was terrific in this out-of-town opening! It was meant to go to Broadway where it would have been a smash. Unfortunately, Bette hurt her back and the show was cancelled. Broadway got robbed!!!

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You know, Tim Robbins' father was a folk singer and actor, and he was in the chorus of that musical. So you saw Tim Robbins' dad onstage! VERY few people can say that!! (Gil Robbins was also in the group The Highwaymen...though not one of the original five.)

See you : )

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Wow! I didn't know Tim Robbins' father was in it. Thanks for letting me know. I enjoyed the show's songs. Bette was full of life while belting out those tunes. She and young Dorian Harewood were superb! The standing ovations were simultaneously incredible and well-deserved.

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A young Nell Carter was in the cast, too.

Director Joshua Logan wrote several autobiographies, and in the first one, MOVIE STARS, REAL PEOPLE, AND ME (1978) he devotes a chapter to discussing that project, its rehearsals and tryouts, and why it shut down. I THINK it was Davis who backed out because she refused to allow rewrites or changes while they were on the road. This is fairly unrealistic for a new play, let alone a complicated production like a musical. Logan and the composer were trying to get the play in the best shape it could be, and Davis (who was getting older) was totally thrown and started forgetting lyrics and the order of scenes....and then she had her jaw operated on and used that as an excuse to pull out of this situation that frightened her. The show had a huge advance sale, but apparently, for one of the few times in her life, Davis became....freaked out. Poor thing : ( I believe she then badmouthed Logan all over the place and tried to blame everyone else...oh well. BUT YOU WILL LIKE THAT BOOK!

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Bette was in top form when I saw her. I remember being told by a friend from NY, who was impatiently awaiting the show's NY arrival, that one of the NY newspapers carried a story saying the show closed due to Bette having a back injury. I can tell you though, Bette was a real pro. She had a star quality that was out of this world and was gracious to her audience. At the end of the show, during applause, she raised her hands to Dorian Harewood wanting the audience to give him the lion's share of the applause and the audience went wild. Standing ovation central! Whatever the real reason why the show closed, I'm indeed grateful I got to see it as Bette has always been one of my favorite stars.

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She was a remarkable actress.

There's many attractive, photogenic women who ended up in film over the ages, who were good at doing 1 (or maybe 2) things...(NO NAMES!!!)....but Bette Davis was an actress DOWN TO HER BONES. She could actually give herself over to doing different things, without vanity. With complete commitment, and power.

It's an extremely rare ability.
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If you haven't seen her breakthrough performance as "Mildred" in "Of Human Bondage" (1934), you should catch it. It's in the public domain and can be seen on many YouTube channels. I saw it at a revival cinema many years ago and Bette's performance was a WOW! It's stayed with me all these years (naturally I've purchased the DVD). Before "Of Human Bondage" she was the star of some good films. But "Of Human Bondage" solidified her career in motion pictures and shows the birth of a great actress. Hollywood Royalty extraordinaire!

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I remember when I was a kid back in the 1970's, I loved reading W. Somerset Maugham and "Of Human Bondage" was a particular favorite. It was before the 1934 film became public domain. Well, the Regency Theater, a revival house in Manhattan, was showing the film for ONE day. My mother let me take off the day from school and she took me into the city to see it. The Regency Theater has since been torn down-- a victim of the VCR and later DVD era. But I will always remember that trip with my mom to the city JUST to see a (then) 40 year old movie.

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What a great mom : ) Mine took me to a rerelease of GONE WITH THE WIND when I became obsessed with it.

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Oh, revival houses were the very thing film buffs needed. I belonged to The Movie Book Club (it was like The Book of the Month Club). As a bonus for joining, they sent you the first edition of Leonard Maltin's book "TV Movies" (which over the years had been retitled for updated editions). The book dealt with movies that were being shown on TV (not Made-for-TV movies). He gave capsule reviews complete with each film's year, length, director and cast. At that time (before VHS and cable), TV normally used to cut films to 90 minutes to fit into a 2 hour time slot (30 minutes for TV commercials) and 70 minutes for a 90 minute time slot (20 minutes for TV commercials).

When I found out that up to 16 minutes of footage was missing from the Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers musicals (thanks to Leonard giving the correct running times), I became obsessed with seeing all old films uncut. In those days, revival houses were the way to go. Thank goodness they were around. "Gone with the Wind" wasn't included in that edition of Leonard's book because it hadn't been sold to TV yet. I caught "Gone with the Wind" during its national 1974 rerelease and, boy, I couldn't get enough of it. It made the rounds in local theaters from late Fall/early Winter and was still playing in Spring. I've honestly lost count of how many times I went to see it back then.

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There is a theater that I got to now in Greenwich Village called the Film Forum. It is where I saw the most recently restored version of Metropolis. They added a huge amount of material that made the story so much more understandable.

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Yes, my mother was not into the whole homemaker thing, but she would pull out all stops to do fun things like that. And yes, the only way to see GWTW is in a theater. I've seen it many times on TV, but only once in a theater (and it was a small one at that).

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GWTW producer David O. Selznick sold his portion of the rights in the mid 1950's so he'd have cash to make A FAREWELL TO ARMS as a vanity project for his wife, Jennifer Jones. He had no idea GWTW would go on to many more re-releases, television sales, videos and DVDs etc...

In retrospect, kind of a bad move. Especially since A FAREWELL TO ARMS was a bomb : (

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You know, it was fun seeing "Gone with the Wind" in theaters during its 1974 rerelease. The only problem was it was the cropped widescreen version that was made for the 1967 rerelease. By not showing the film in its original 1939 aspect ratio, the composition of the film was altered at the top and bottom of the screen.

Naturally, for those who hadn't seen the film before its 1967 switch from full screen to widescreen, just seeing the film was a glorious experience. But for purists, like myself, I do enjoy the DVD which, thankfully, retains the original 1939 aspect ratio. I feel it's very important for the mood and imagery of the film.

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I can see how technology makes a huge difference today. I don't agree with butchering any film to change the aspect ratio to fit on TV or any other screen. But if they preserved the original aspect ratio -- then the picture would look teen tiny on the old TV screens. I look at my large flat screen TV today and feel like we have reached the promised land- --one in which no film needs to be chopped up.

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Totally agree, Jennie. For years all we could get was a pan and scan VHS version of "Grease" (1978). After the film's 20th Anniversary rerelease in theaters, the widescreen VHS became available. It looked so tiny on our TV at that time. Now that we have a large flat TV, the widescreen DVD "Grease" looks terrific. Did you see the "Alice in Wonderland" message I left for you on this thread 11 hours ago? I thought you might find it of interest.

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yes- thanks very much for telling me about the earlier version of Alice. It's on YouTube in 6 installments: https://youtu.be/AbeNblCjQ7c. Very interesting. I liked the Irving Berlin songs. Films of that time were very much in transition from silent movies, so it still looked very impressionistic.

On the topic of "Grease", I absolutely hate that movie and musical. I remember it was the first Broadway show that I ever saw and I hated it back then. Time has not changed this at all. I seem to be in the minority.

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You can see "Alice in Wonderland" (1931) in one installment on YouTube. It's on the YouTube member Phantomwise's channel. Ruth Gilbert who portrays Alice is a scream! She looks like a vintage punk rocker/Goth chick with a Valley Girl accent. She has to be seen to be believed.

I loved the movie "Grease". The Broadway show was still playing when the movie was released in 1978. So, to Manhattan we went to see the Broadway show. I hated it! I thought it was lackluster compared to the film version.

Funny enough, I saw the show "Evita" with its original Broadway cast in 1980. I thought it was fantastic. Yet, I couldn't stand the movie version. I thought Madonna and Antonio Banderas were pure plastic and had no chemistry.

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If I were able to go into a Time Machine, Evita would definitely be on the top of my list. I watch this clip from the 1980 Tony Awards a lot: https://youtu.be/F9m4SfNHWVg. Patti LuPone was brilliant (and I love Mandy Patinkin too). And I agree that the film of Evita was lacking. I think it looked pretty, but like a museum piece. And the singing was- weak. But haven't you noticed that the people who get cast in the films NEVER have as good singing voices as the folks in the Broadway shows. (Consider "Phantom" or "Les Miserables"). In the olden days, they used to dub the voices. But now they don't do that. Instead, we are forced to listen to Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone warbling in mediocre voices. Don't get me started on La- La Land.

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Oh, "Evita" does deserve to be on the top of your Time Machine list. Seeing it on Broadway with its original Broadway cast is something I'll never forget. Patti LuPone and Mandy Patinkin were superb. It's a pity the movie version wasn't made in the 1980s with these two (and Bob Gunton) repeating their stage roles. Since you're from NYC, I thought you might get a kick out of this bit of nostalgia..."Evita Original Broadway TV Commercial" on YouTube.

Classic film musicals belong to a bygone age. I thought "Hair" and "Annie" were mediocre and forgetable movies at best. There was a lot of cheat singing in Broadway to Hollywood musicals during the 1960s... Audrey Hepburn in "My Fair Lady", Natalie Wood in "West Side Story" and (for the most part) Rosalind Russell in "Gypsy" come to mind. At least Ann-Margret did her own singing in "Bye Bye Birdie". Ditto Julie Andrews in "The Sound of Music".

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