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Was he the best actor ever?


He was talented but does he deserve the best ever actor accolade?

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AFI has Humphrey Bogart as the greatest actor ever actually

Anyways - Godfather and Apocolpyse Now are the only two great performances I’ve seen from Brando. And in both cases, he had benefit of working with a great director and great supporting cast members. I really don’t know much about Brando’s career outside of these two films. He was very, very good in Godfather.

I regard Jimmy Stewart as a greater actor than Marlon Brando.

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what about Tom Cruise, he has been in more successful movies than any other actor and has been acting non-stop since the 80's.

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Critically speaking (not in terms of box-office), Tom Cruise ranks below actors like Edward Norton, Tom Hanks, Leonardo DiCaprio, George Clooney etc.

As a superstar, Cruise might be superior to most or all of them. But as an actor, he isn’t on their level imo

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Hmmm. Norton? Not a chance. I have never liked him. DiCaprio? No. I've never liked him much, either. Clooney? No. He was fine on ER. But I can't think of a film of his I even own. I did kinda like The Descendants.
Hanks has several really good movies and performances. His best years have long since passed him by, of course.
Cruise? I haven't seen all his films but I own several of his, too. And I always enjoy his performances.

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We are talking acting accolades here - not how much you like them.
Arnold can't act for shit, but in terms of success, he beats them all by a mile.

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Well, if we don't like them, then what's the point? I won't pick an actor I don't like. That makes no sense.

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Are you autistic? That line of reasoning reminds me of the autistic reporter at the onion.

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No. Just being sensible. Are you being autistic?

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Jimmy Stewart always played the same character.

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On the Waterfront
Streetcar Named Desire
The Freshman

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Best hype campaign ever. Marlon Brando may have been a hot ticket of his day, but I don't feel his performances transcend decades. If I wasn't TOLD this was the greatest actor of his generation i'd have hardly noticed this dude.

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I really, truly believe he's one of the most overrated actors in the history of film.

Yes, he gave a few great performances... and hundreds of weak, bad, or godawful ones. You can't just a person's filmography just by their absolutely best work, I mean obviously that gets them a lot of credit for their best, but face it, Brando made about 100 films like "Teahouse of the August Moon" or
"The Island of Dr. Moreau" or "Desiree" for every "STreetcar Named Desire".

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I've read a couple of actor's autobiographies (a while ago) and several times there were anecdotes of Brando as the best, or at the least, someone very special.
How much of that we see on screen is debatable and personally I think there are a few early films where he's great but after that he lost interest.

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Brando was important, I think, in two ways:

ONE: Upon his arrival "on screen" in 1950, and over a series of films, he rather reinvented movie acting. With his mumbling style, sometimes searching for his words, sometimes just staring, he upended the more theater-based line reading style, in which words had to be enunciated and often said too fast (as in the rat-a-tat tat style of fortries gangster movies.) Suddenly, actors could be more "real." Cary Grant, for one, said he wished that style had been available to him in the 30's and 40s. Grant also said "my generation has its Marlon Brando, and it is James Stewart." Grant elaborated that Stewart, too, was emotional and raw and had a stumbling voice.

TWO: "The baby boomers rule." A whole bunch of seventies actors -- including Nicholson, Pacino and...Richard Dreyfuss...talked of going nuts as young filmgoers in the FIFTIES when they saw Brando films. Dreyfuss pointed out that however much Brando had failed in the 60's and late 70s...."that run of movies he made in the fifties was incredible."
Irony: the 70's star who most looked like Brando -- Burt Reynolds -- spoofed him in an Alfred Hitchcock Hour show in the 60s and drew Brando's eternal hatred. Reynolds elected to grow a moustache for most roles and to be more Cary Grant than Brando but...he was another "son of Brando." You can add DeNiro as well.

Who else might be the greatest film actor of all time?

Indeed, as noted above, the American Film Institute chose Bogart (and then Cary Grant, and then James Stewart, I think.) Robert Mitchum landed high on the charts...but he made a lot of programmers to go with his best work.

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Spencer Tracy was called the greatest American actor so much when he was alive, that he would joke about it: (on a first draft of Bad Day at Black Rock): "Supposedly, I am the greatest American actor an you offer me this...s//t?"; (in the sixties): "Supposedly, I am the greatest American actor and nobody gives me jobs except Stanley Kramer."

In the final analysis, there have been a LOT of "greatest actors" in film history. Barrymore in his day; Bogart in his; Brando in his.

Brando is clearly ONE of the great actors (and his Godfather/Last Tango in Paris double was one of the great comebacks in acting history) but his INDIVIDUAL claim to history strikes me as true: he changed the style of movie acting and thus opened the door to an entire new generation of "sons of Brando" who became great stars in their own right.

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Dreyfuss pointed out that however much Brando had failed in the 60's and late 70s...."that run of movies he made in the fifties was incredible."

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I would like to follow up here with a list of those movies:

The Men(Brando played a paraplegic)
A Streetcar Named Desire(star-making -- sexual brute stuff.)
Viva Zapata
On the Waterfront(Oscar winning and superstardom)
Julius Caesar(proves he can do Shakespeare)
The Wild One(played a rather sensitive early Hells Angel; a photo poster on the walls of a lot of teenager girls AND boys; the great line "What are you rebelling against? Whaddya got?))

Those movies were a long time ago, but for a long time they WERE Brando's body of great work.

All that stuff after The Godfather and Last Tango in Paris simply doesn't matter.

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Also, The Young Lions, The Teahouse Of The August Moon, Sayonara and Guys And Dolls. Maybe not great as in some you've listed but big films in their time and once frequently on TV.

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Perhaps if he stopped acting then.... in fact, if he got into a fatal accident after doing all those films, there would be no question. But ending his career with a crapload of bombs and bouts of horrific acting.... you don't get a crown for that.

This is also how the legend of Bruce Lee was born - if he didn't die early, his days of doing coke and fucking around with other actresses would lead him to be metoo'd. His increasing addiction to coke, in the last year of his life, was particularly worrisome - and I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up doing a crapload of bombs later in life as well - ending the same way as Nik Cage and other potential legends.

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Are you suggesting THE ISLAND OF DOCTOR MOREAU was not a cinematic masterstroke?

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I don't think there is - or can be - such a thing as "the best", because it's so subjective, and because there are too many criteria to account for. That said, Brando was one of the best, and his work is brilliant.

But does he definitively throw down the other giants like Lawrence Olivier or Daniel Day-Lewis? I wouldn't say so.

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'Best ever actor' is a ridiculous title. Let's just say he wasn't very consistent.

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Always thought Jimmy Cagney was the best. Mean, and he could dance and sing.

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Always thought it was supposed to belong to two 1950s actors be the greatest of all--James Dean with acclaimed approach to method acting like Marlon used and Richard Burton. Sheesh!

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Cagney is definitely a contender for the title! Very versatile.

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NO

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Perhaps if (Brando) stopped acting then.... in fact, if he got into a fatal accident after doing all those (50s) films, there would be no question. But ending his career with a crapload of bombs and bouts of horrific acting.... you don't get a crown for that.

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Understood. The movie actor who perhaps best fits that model("make great films and die") was Humphrey Bogart.

Bogart died in 1957 of lung cancer from smoking, AT age 57. His final film --"The Harder They Fall" (1956)was a hard-hitting boxing movie co-starring Rod Steiger(which allowed Bogart to go out versus a "Method Man," and they joshed each other about that on set).

Unlike Brando, Bogart's FIRST movies weren't all that great -- he had a lot of second leads and programmers. But by the forties, he had his "run" (HIgh Sierra, The Maltese Falcon, Casablanca, The Big Sleep, Sierra Madres, and more) and in the 50's, he appeared in quality films like The African Queen(his only Oscar), In a Lonely Place(oddly, this seems to be his "important movie" these days), The Caine Mutiny(truly an iconic role), etc.

So Bogart simply never had to take inferior movies or cameo roles or to prostitute his talent.

Cary Grant purposely ended his career "young" -- at 62. Unlike Bogart, his final films weren't all that serious or major, but they WERE all A list hits(including That Touch of Mink with Doris Day, Charade with Audrey Hepburn and his final film "Walk Don't Run"), and again Grant didn't have to do cameos. Or a TV series. (See: James Stewart, Henry Fonda.)

So I guess you could say that Bogart and Grant were "the greatest actors of all time" because there was NO Brando-like period of waste and mental illness on screen.

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Add Spencer Tracy in there. Tracy said in his final decade, that he would only take roles in important films with something to say. Producer Stanley Kramer gave him three such: Inherit the Wind(Darwinism trial); Judgement at Nuremburg(Nazi war crimes), and his final film, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner(interracial marriage.)

In that final bunch, Tracy found room for a big comedy (with Kramer again; Mad Mad World) but even IT had serious themes(greed and avarice.) And Tracy did a volcano movie with Sinatra in there that wasn't that important.

Still, add Spencer Tracy to Bogart and Cary Grant for ending his career as a respected A list over-the-title actor. In accomplishing this, Tracy, Bogart and Grant could very well each qualify for "greatest actor of all time," but Bogart perhaps had the best group of films.


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Cagney is definitely a contender for the title! Very versatile.

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Very much so. Known mainly for tough villainous gangster roles, Cagney won an Oscar as a ....song and dance man! (Yankee Doodle Dandy.) Neither Bogart nor Grant made musicals; though Brando did "Guys and Dolls."

And Cagney managed to be in a Western or two (something Cary Grant wanted to do, but never got to do.)

Like Cary Grant, Cagney retired "on top" with the lead in a Billy Wilder movie (One, Two Three) in 1961. UNLIKE Grant, Cagney elected to come back 20 years later, and it wasn't that great a move. Cagney is fine in a short part in "Ragtime"(1981) -- but he was immobile, very elderly, its really a long cameo(with Brando-like top billing). And then he did a TV movie. Grant did it better.

PS. People "out here" have thought I'm crazy when I offer this, but I have often felt that the diminutive James Cagney -- in his 30's -- rather had the face (the curled lip, the sadistic smile) of Big Sean Connery. Once I saw that one time in Cagney's face, I could never shake it. Certainly both actors knew how to play sadistic heroes. In a "time warp" putting a young Cagney in the 60s, Cagney might have made a good American James Bond!

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Back to Brando

You can find on the internet, a 1973 Dick Cavett talk show appearance by Brando as the sole celebrity guest(he brought some Native Americans along for the second half, to talk their issues.)

Brando is looking good(the weight hasn't come yet) and basking in the double comeback of The Godfather and Last Tango in Paris.

And he just sits there silently as the crowd applause goes on forever. Eventually the applause dies out and Cavett leads with praise: "Some call you the greatest American actor of all time." More applause. More silent basking by Brando. He says nothing to that.

But he KNEW he was held in that esteem...and that gave him the power to take all those cameos and mess with everybody.

Funnier memory: later in the 70's after the Cavett late night talk show appearance, Brando went on the somewhat lesser(but popular) daytime Mike Douglas show(Douglas was more suburban and home grown thant the erudite, borderline snobby Dick Cavett of NYC.)

By the time Brando did the Mike Douglas show, he had put on a lot of weight(though it would get worse) and the interview with Douglas was awkward and funny. Douglas let Brando talk about his Native American causes and other causes -- but kept mercilessly ribbing Brando about his weight ("You've been eating too much ice cream, Marlon" or something like that.) Over and over and over again, Douglas keeps ribbing Brando about his weight and all Brando can do is smile and shake his head silently.

Brando had already started to lose respect.

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