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EDIT#1-The Final Insult For DC fans,It Offically Can't Get Any Worse lol


lol I honestly didn't think It could get any worse for DC fans...
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lol you just waited 3 years for A truly once in a lifetime Movie In BvS that turned out to be One of The worst CBM's ever and Had the biggest box office collapse in History...

and it just got worse, Not only did you have your dreams crushed by BvS turning out to be one of the worst CBM's ever and A Massive box office disappointment...Now The Final Insult has arrived...

Now your forced to watch Marvel Studios and Civil War have the Success You dream about for BvS...Everything that you hoped,prayed and expected out of BvS, Your getting ready to watch happen With Marvel Studios and Civil War

lol watching BvS get some of the worst reviews ever for A CBM is Bad, watching BvS have the biggest Box office collapse ever is bad, But NOw having to watch Civil War get excellent reviews and Watching Civil War Make Over 1 Billion like you Desperately wanted for BvS Is JUST WORSE

and finally having to read review after review going into detail how much better Civil War is than BvS is.....The Final Insult

lol theres been 25 reviews released so far for Civil War, 24 are extremely Positive but thats not the kick, Nope the Kicker is, 14 of the 25 reviews Literally going into detail Why Marvel Studios and Civil War Succeeded and WB/DC and BvS failed--

lol Here it is, The Final Insult for DC Fans...

http://www.thewrap.com/captain-america-civil-war-review-mcu/

It’s also the reason most of the Avengers (Hulk and Thor are on sabbatical) spend the bulk of “Captain America: Civil War” fighting among themselves. For audiences feeling burned by the superhero brawling in “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice,” just hang on — it’s not what you’re thinking.

See Video: 'Captain America: Civil War' New Clip Shows Team Cap in Action

Unlike DC’s recent franchise brick, a film that spent an inordinate amount of time mulling over issues of personal enmity against an incoherently darkened landscape, and that offered little more than lip service to the matter of collateral damage, “Civil War” is an addition to the Marvel Cinematic Universe that, yes, moves its good guys to battle each other, but does so in the service of establishing a future of superhero responsibility.


http://variety.com/2016/film/reviews/captain-america-civil-war-review-1201752643/


The shaming of “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” will continue apace — or better still, be forgotten entirely — in the wake of “Captain America: Civil War,” a decisively superior hero-vs.-hero extravaganza that also ranks as the most mature and substantive picture to have yet emerged from the Marvel Cinematic Universe.


http://www.gamesradar.com/captain-america-civil-war-review/
It’s all been building to this. From the three-way forest throw-downs and Hulk-shaped sucker punches of Avengers Assemble to Civil War’s savvy, hashtag-powered marketing campaign prompting True Believers to pick a side, the prospect of Marvel's mightiest going toe to toe in a superhuman dust-up has been irresistibly enticing. That it arrives in cinemas little more than a month after DC’s own clash of the titans failed to land a knockout blow feels all the sweeter because, rest assured, Civil War delivers on the promise of that title in a major way.

As a piece of superhero storytelling, it doesn’t bring anything particularly innovative to the table either – the idea of a thin line between heroes and vigilantes is invoked again, for example. But importantly, given the callous loss of life going on in other comic-book movies, the human cost of the Avengers’ actions is keenly felt and addressed in a meaningful way. It makes DC’s efforts to tackle the same idea with Batman v Superman seem thunderously dunderheaded in comparison.


http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/captain-america-civil-war-review/5102527.article?blocktitle=Latest-Reviews&contentID=592
this follow-up to 2014’s Captain America: The Winter Soldier (which netted $714 million globally) seems poised to kick off the summer movie season in fabulous fashion. Strong reviews, which will probably compare it very favourably to another comic-book movie about warring superheroes, the much-maligned Batman V Superman, will only further boost Civil War’s must-see status.


http://www.empireonline.com/movies/captain-america-civil-war/review/
Who needs a villain when you have Steve and Tony? Both protagonists. Both antagonists. And drawing other power-people to their cause in surprising ways. The clashes go far beyond the set-up squabbles of Avengers Assemble. Or even that other big 2016 superhero showdown. Forget Batman v Superman. Here you get Ant-Man v Spider-Man, Hawkeye v Black Widow, Scarlet Witch v Vision, The Winter Soldier v Black Panther and (well, duh) Captain America v Iron Man, all rolled into one. And that is what you call the ultimate Marvel superhero event.


http://uproxx.com/movies/captain-america-civil-war-review/
This is the point in this piece where I mention Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. I didn’t really want to, but it’s incredible how watchable Captain America: Civil War is and how dull Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice turned out to be when you consider that both movies have pretty similar core plots: Superheroes fighting against each other, a mysterious figure behind the scenes pulling the strings … and, remarkably, a superhero’s mother plays a large role in both films. Yet Marvel has this down. Marvel knows how to move the story along and keep us entertained. Marvel knows how to trick us into liking these characters and caring about what happens to them. (That trick is by making them “likable.”)



http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/976373-captain-america-civil-war-review-fight#/slide/1
When a tragedy occurs, and someone close to Captain America is put in the crosshairs, the schism between the Avengers widens and Captain America and Iron Man are forced to assemble their own separate teams. Both sides think that they’re doing the right thing, and it’s to Captain America: Civil War’s credit that they’re each right about 50% of the time. The irony that this film basically just exists to get costumed do-gooders to hit each other and is also playing at moral and ethical complexity gets a little lost here. But unlike the comparable superhero fight film Batman v Superman, this movie focuses more on the characters and less on their function in a nonsensical plot.

This movie isn’t about killing someone you don’t know, it’s about coming to blows with someone you do know, and that’s simply more involving. And even though the stories of both films are similar, Captain America: Civil War spends less time talking about its lofty concepts and more time on action, escalation and introducing new elements that please us, as opposed to just tease us.



http://www.heyuguys.com/review-captain-america-civil-war/
It is an incredible test of emotions for the viewer. These are all people we love who are attacking the other people we love. It is hard to imagine a similar moment in film where this was handled so eloquently and so well. Zack Snyder could have learned so much from every frame of this film.


http://variety.com/2016/film/reviews/captain-america-civil-war-review-1201752643/
Not every globe-trotting action movie is self-critical enough to acknowledge the many lives that are presumably lost when buildings blow up and cars flip over. And while the idea of collateral damage was certainly central to the conflict in “Batman v Superman,” that film ultimately banished any sense of ethical responsibility — and any lingering audience goodwill — with its bombastic and incoherent end-of-the-world climax. Whatever apocalyptic associations its title may generate, “Captain America: Civil War” turns out to be an infinitely smarter piece of multiplex mythmaking, blessed as it is with a new villain (played with unnerving subtlety by Daniel Bruhl) who has more on his mind than blowing human civilization to smithereens. And the sides-taking showdown between Team Captain America and Team Iron Man, far from numbing the viewer with still more callous acts of destruction, is likely to leave you admiring its creativity.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/13/captain-america-civil-war-makes-superhero-movies-great-again.html
Captain America: Civil War marks a watershed moment in the vaunted annals of comic book cinema: Finally, a big budget superhero sequel that manages to be both effortlessly entertaining and utterly sobering, instead of just one of those things—or, as we’ve endured too frequently in the past, neither of them. (Looking at you, Batman v Superman.)

It’s most unfortunate for Warner Bros. that, at its core, Civil War explores the same existential themes as Batman v Superman—only far better articulated, and with fewer mommy issues (spoiler: No Marthas die on the Avengers’ watch… that we know of). Instead of two lone superman-children trading blows in the rain, Civil War’s ensemble is made up of grown people wrestling with grown-people problems in the light of day, negotiating their conflicting worldviews in the name of living and working together.

Sure, it took Marvel 13 movies to express its most considered moral exploration of superhero figures as fallible agents of global security while at the same time delivering jokes about the bodily emissions of Spider-Man’s web-shooters and deliciously gratuitous moments of lingering Chris Evans biceps porn. And yes, Disney has 10 more tentpoles coming from the MCU in the next three years alone. WB and DC certainly have a great deal of catching up to do after their BvS box office disappointment, but every studio in the superhero game benefits from how well Civil War staves off the spandex fatigue—at least, for now.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/captain-america--civil-war/review/
At the root of that is Civil War’s greatest strength – and the reason it makes all thought of the recent Batman v Superman debacle evaporate on contact. The Russos’ film has an unshakeable faith in these decades-old characters: they’re not wrangled into standing for anything other than who they are, with no gloss or reinterpretation or reach for epic significance required. This is the cinematic superhero showdown you’ve dreamt of since childhood, precisely because that’s everything – and all – it wants to be.


http://lwlies.com/reviews/captain-america-civil-war/
The film is also content with the fact that the external threat doesn’t have to be as big or as mean or as threatening as the internal one. The “Civil War” nomenclature isn’t a sell out (paging Batman V Superman!) as the film explores a rift that can’t be instantly healed with the diversion of a common foe. But what the film ends up being about isn’t a choice between democracy and fascism, but between having Marvel movies and not having Marvel movies. If these characters suddenly accept that they should be fully accountable for their actions, they are accepting that they no longer want to be superheroes, but bureaucrats. Captain America isn’t fighting for freedom – he’s fighting for the franchise. So #VoteCap.



http://www.cine-vue.com/2016/04/film-review-captain-america-civil-war.html
There are also some credible 'real-world' issues thrown in along the way by screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeel. The problem then, perhaps, is that the Russo brothers - now locked in for two more Avengers: Infinity War sequels - insist on far too many samey Bourne-style chase-chat-fight scenes, padding out Civil War to a whopping two-and-a-half hours (including credits). There's a certain bloatedness to much of the first half, while the film in general lacks the balance of humour to hard-hitting found in Shane Black's superb Iron Man 3 and/or Whedon's two Avengers outings. Fortunately, unlike the abysmal Batman v Superman, Captain America: Civil War just about gets away with its flaws with through sheer swagger alone, in no doubt that it's the superhero showdown fans have so keenly awaited.


https://www.wow247.co.uk/2016/04/20/captain-america-civil-war-review/

Niggling plot issues aside, Civil War delivers everything you could possibly want from a movie about comic characters fighting each other. And puts a certain other superhero vs superhero movie to shame…




Captain America: Civil War isn’t just a great Marvel movie, it’s a great movie. And that greatness - which is dependant in part on the groundwork laid by 12 previous movies - is the final proof of the concept that Marvel Studios first tried out in Iron Man back in 2008. It’s the film that proves the shared universe concept isn’t just cool, and isn’t just a great marketing idea but that - when used right - it creates a kind of gripping, resonant longform storytelling that no one else has ever accomplished on this scale. Civil War isn’t great despite being the third Captain America and thirteenth overall Marvel movie - it’s great because of those things.

This is it - the peak of the superhero movie shared universe. Captain America: Civil War is a tight action thriller that works on its own, but when taken as the latest chapter in an unprecedented experiment in longform storytelling it’s a brilliant chapter, one that makes everything that went before seem better if only because it was all leading to this pinnacle.



EDIT#1-More Reviews came out, More Mocking Of BvS, lol-

http://www.timeout.com/london/film/captain-america-civil-war
Does any of this sound familiar? Two iconic heroes duking it out over two-and-a-half epic hours… Angsty agonising over the collateral damage that ensues… Cameos from multiple costumed crusaders, just to make sure we’re suitably hyped for the next ten movies. But luckily, ‘Captain America: Civil War’ is packed to bursting with the one ingredient its rival superhero smackdown ‘Batman v Superman’ lacked: joy.


Which isn’t to say ‘Civil War’ is threat-free and happy-clappy. This is a film about the violent end of a friendship and the moral questions that come with free will, so it’s hardly a party. No, this is the kind of joy that comes with crafting characters people can relate to, with designing action scenes that spring and spin and bound off the screen, with picking just the right moment for a tension-breaking gag, a pause for reflection or a rousing speech. It's the joy of making a movie for and about people.



http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/film/2016/04/captain-america-s-latest-outing-antidote-batman-v-superman-s-poison-comic-fans
Captain America’s latest outing is the antidote to Batman v Superman’s poison for comic fans

The catastrophe earlier this year of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice seemed to bode ill for the state of comic book movies, as well as putting the mockers on further accounts of inter-superhero discord.

After the poison, though, comes the antidote. Or Captain America: Civil War, as we shall call it. Take one before bedtime and the outlook will be brighter by morning.


The plot is so satisfyingly worked out, and the foundations for the hostilities in the second half of the film so carefully prepared, that you want to take aside the makers of Batman v Superman (who thought it was motivation enough just to have one superhero mistakenly believe that the other was running amok) and say to them: See? This is how it’s done. It’s not so hard, is it?

It helps also that there is nuance and colour here. The characters are multi-layered, crammed full of old allegiances and grudges and irritations. They have personalities. Remember those?


http://www.scifinow.co.uk/reviews/captain-america-civil-war-film-review-marvel-superheroes-fight-for-their-rights/
The pressure on Captain America: Civil War lessened a little when it turned out that its main competition, Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice, really wasn’t that great. But even before that, if Marvel was at all worried then it needn’t have been.


http://www.accesshollywood.com/articles/captain-america-civil-war-review-caught-between-iron-man-and-hard-place/
While the prospect of costumed heroes being held accountable for their actions was recently depicted to a rather underwhelming effect in the disappointing DC offering “Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice,” there’s no question that the results are more effective in “Civil War.” That’s because returning screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely depict both sides with equal measure, which increases the stakes of their gripping moral dilemma.


http://www.starburstmagazine.com/reviews/latest-reviews-of-movies/14929-captain-america-civil-war-review
Somewhere in the middle of the molten mess which was Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, released to almost universal derision a couple of months ago, was the potentially-intriguing notion of superhero accountability; who’s to blame when the death toll rises and the buildings start to fall and who’s powerful enough to reign in this new breed of heroes and impose a form of governance upon people with extraordinary, terrifying abilities? BvS fudged the question horribly, of course, disintegrating into mindless fisticuffs between two rather boring men in capes who eventually (and metaphorically) decided to kiss and make up and become best friends forever when they discovered their mothers had the same name. Trust the mighty Marvel Cinematic Universe to run with broadly the same idea in Captain America: Civil War, the first title in a brave and bold third phase of feature films and trust Marvel to, yet again, show their shabby rivals a clean pair of heels. By any standards, Civil War is an extraordinary film; richly-populated, densely-plotted and packed with nods and references to almost all those MCU films which have gone before, topped off with some barnstorming cameos, the odd surprise (we won’t spoil it for you) and, when you least expect it, some moments of genuine pathos and emotional heft. This is a film which is, in many ways, the pay-off to a run of films which began with Iron Man in 2008 and fans will be rewarded with a movie which revels in a fictional universe intricately and carefully nurtured ever since and it does it because it’s earned it; the film knows that its audience will appreciate its kisses to the past because, by and large, the audience has been with these movies each and every step of the way.



leemall-"Paul Walkers Death Had Zero Impact On F7's Hype And Box Office Results"

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Positive vibes to all the DC fans who read this thread and get depressed.

---Straight outta Strontia---

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The Russos’ film has an unshakeable faith in these decades-old characters: they’re not wrangled into standing for anything other than who they are, with no gloss or reinterpretation or reach for epic significance required. This is the cinematic superhero showdown you’ve dreamt of since childhood, precisely because that’s everything – and all – it wants to be.


This is a really good point. For years, DC/WB has had the rights to all these fantastic characters, yet they have always acted like they are ashamed of them and get hacks like Nolan to try to totally reinterpret the characters instead of being who they are.

DC/WB were scared of doing a Green Lantern movie because they were afraid of showing too many scenes in space, so they utterly mangled the GL movie. Then Marvel showed how it could be done with Guardians of the Galaxy. DC was afraid to combine characters in films saying they felt they worked better as separate universes. Then Marvel made Avengers and DC wanted to catch up and copy, so tried to do it all in one movie. All the way along DC has been scared to allow their own brilliant characters to shine and in the end they do a disservice to the fans and audiences alike.

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Excellent points.

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and get hacks like Nolan to try to totally reinterpret the characters instead of being who they are.


I loved the Nolan movies but I will concede that those films' success led to the new dark interpretation of Superman which I just can't stand. I can appreciate you not liking his (or any director's) films, but no idea how you can call him a hack. His films are if nothing else, different. The Prestige is one of my absolute favorite movies as well.

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However, Nolan is on record as refusing to put the DKT into the DCEU because the dark tone he envisioned was specific to Batman and that other DC characters, especially Superman, would not fit into this world.

One can not blame him when those who came after sought to replicate the grimness after seeing the cash that TDK made when Nolan himself said it would not work for characters like Superman.

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Right, it works for Batman because Batman is a dark, moody character. But the mistake is thinking that because Batman movies are successful that that same approach will work for all superheroes. It clearly does not.

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FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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I feel like I'm watching that scene in the Simpsons where Homer is beating the Hamburgler into the ground and one kid is screaming:

"Stop, stop! He's already dead!"

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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.........

However, for a three page thread, this should be the most ignored one of the board.

FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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Wow, two months later and this thread is still stroking some nerves!

FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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Now Justice League is giving it a good run for its money

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The truth has been spoken. DC has wonderful characters. My fav are The Flash, Batman, The Question, Superman among others. Sorry to say WB has not done any of these characters minus Batman any justice.

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The Flash TV show is pretty good. A little cheesy sometimes, but fun sfx, and some suprirsingly dark moments, plus good perfomnces (Particularly Tom Cavanagh ) make it a fun show

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It has heart that's what i like about it, it has flaws sure but the good outweigh the bad.

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Arent you one of those fans? You were here for 3 years hypibg this movie, are you trash talking yourself?


Lol, congratulations, you played yourself

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Maybe (unlike some others who refuse to admit it) he accepted that the movie was bad when he saw it ??




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^and heres another retard that can barely read but has an account on imdb, lmao

Its not about the movie being good or bad. Its about OP acting like he wasnt one of those people. Hes been on this board trashing marvel and defending MoS until the last 3 months.

So he basically trying to trash the "DC fans" when hes actually badmouthing himself. Is that a simpler explanation for you?

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Thanks for the insults, welcome to my ignore list.

He's actually not making fun of the "fans"... those are normal people. He's making fun of the "fanboys"... the ones insulting everyone when something does not go their way (yes, people like you).

He might not have written "fanboys" but it is the true meaning of what he wrote. Now if you see words but don't understand what they mean... that's your problem, not mine.



--- When the Hulk is angry he turns into Chuck Norris. ---

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Wow, it seems people can't change of opinion here!

"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS

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Yep !! And actually it has a double meaning.

Some people CAN'T change their opinion. The movie they were waiting for IS good.

People can't change their opinion... they are denied the right to do so.


Both meanings show that the fanboys really have a problem.



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The fanboys of this turd have more than one problem, in my opinion.

"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS

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He's actually not making fun of the "fans"... those are normal people. He's making fun of the "fanboys"... the ones insulting everyone when something does not go their way (yes, people like you).

He might not have written "fanboys" but it is the true meaning of what he wrote. Now if you see words but don't understand what they mean... that's your problem, not mine.


this is exactly right in fact I'll go back a Specifically say that in my post

leemall-"Paul Walkers Death Had Zero Impact On F7's Hype And Box Office Results"

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^and heres another retard that can barely read but has an account on imdb, lmao

Its not about the movie being good or bad. Its about OP acting like he wasnt one of those people. Hes been on this board trashing marvel and defending MoS until the last 3 months.

So he basically trying to trash the "DC fans" when hes actually badmouthing himself. Is that a simpler explanation for you?


lol what are you talking about I've never trashed Marvel ...Period...

I think you might be thinking of "Slam Evil"...He created A BillBrown7170 sock account and pretended to be me for a while...


But thats literally the only thing you could be talking about...

I was excited about BvS, I Love MOS, I love The MCU films, and have never trashed Marvel...

My excitement for BvS died the last 5 months, ever since The Avalanche of negative news started coming out, I knew something went terrible wrong and my anticipation and somewhat small expectations died...

But I was Never a hardcore DC fan Like I mentioned in my Post, I never went on Daily campaigns about how BvS was going to be the best CBM ever and Destroy Civil War...

I basically said Both Civil War and BvS were my 2 most anticipated movies of the year and I enjoy Both DC and Marvel and BOTH DC and Marvel films

I think your either just making this up due being angry about this post, or you've simply got me confused with Slam Evil's Sock account.

but I in absolutely no way EVER trashed Marvel, I'm in no way "Badmouthing myself" because I was in no way Like Hardcore DC fans regarding BvS...

BvS was a film I was looking forward to because Of how Iconic and Special it was, through the years I'd occasionally give my predictions for the movie and name it in my top 2 most anticipated films but that was The about, But when it became clear something went terribly wrong, My anticipated Died.

on other hand Hardcore fans from the day BvS was announced Went on daily crusades against Marvel fans and Civil War, Guaranteeing, That BvS was going to be The end of Marvel Studios, because First WB/DC was going to force Marvel Studios to Move Civil War away from May 6th 2016 release date and Run from WB/DC and BvS now that They want the date and have moved there, They claimed BvS and WB would take that release date and then any other release date Marvel Studios wanted....this continued for 2 or 3 months until Disaster struck and WB/DC were the ones that ran and left DC fans Beaten and Embarrassed...Then It immediately changed to "BvS is going to destroy Civil War, BvS is going to be The Best CBM ever and Make More money than Civil War....for the next 3 years"....

then the last 5 months when an absolute avalanche Of Negativity hit, These Hardcore DC fans decided not to believe A single one of them, They Decided to Ignore all Negative News and Decided "Its simply a smear campaign and theres no truth to any of the reports/Negative News", They then call anyone who choose to believe these reports Names and told them how biased they were...

and Finally These same hardcore DC fans somehow topped all that by by choosing to believe An Impossible Conspiracy theory that "BvS isn't really bad, Its didn't really get awful reviews, Nope Marvel/Disney Paid Critics to hate BvS" DC fans Literally decided to believe that rather than just excepting "WB simply made a bad movie"

So dont Put me anywhere near these same clowns....I didn't do any of these things...

leemall-"Paul Walkers Death Had Zero Impact On F7's Hype And Box Office Results"

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^^Thank you, you said it all!

I'm an MCU fan but I love DC as well, sadly their films just suck most of the time. Thats all it is. If they were good or better I would probably be a bigger DC fan today.

But honestly the DC fandom has really put me off. Dont get me wrong there are a lot of Marvel idiots running around too but not to the extent of DC fandom. These guys come off bitter, angry, in denial and gloating.

I mean I could not stop reading the amount of threads here people talking about how BvS was going to 'destroy' CW and make MCU look like an embarrassment. How BvS was going to be a comic book 'done right' and blah blah blah. And again, stay with me now, why I found this so bizarre was because it was basically a sequel to MoS, one of the most divided CBM in history that had an 57% on RT and made under $700 million. None of that is the end of the world but it felt so confusing to me was why are these guys were SO confident in this film when the film its based on was not seen as a 'great' film by any stretch of the means. And it was by the same people who made that film, mainly its director. I mean its not like Nolan is making it. But suddenly BvS was going to be the event film of the century. I remember the last time a DC fan told me that...it was MoS.

And then BvS shows up and what happens? It has an even WORSE reception than MoS did lol. On every critical level it basically took what everyone hated about MoS and tripled down on it. And instead of these fanboys just admitting the films inherit problems (the biggest one trying to squeeze in an shared universe in one *beep* movie), they went back to the same bitter and angry fanboys as before and now its a 'conspiracy'. Disney was so afraid of this film they apparently rounded up every movie critic on the planet and either offered to pay them off or promised to kill their pets if they didn't give it a bad review. An idea so stupid, asinine, retarded, dumb, illogical, unreasonable, irrational, senseless, idiotic, brainless and did I mention stupid that only a desperate fanboy would believe it.

And then of course despite that they still had enough internet courage to brag about the BO citing its going to destroy everything in its path anyway and it did...for 3 days. Since then its been falling like Superman from SR. And it also proves maybe critics were just telling the truth because how could a film with one of the biggest openings in history fall this hard this fast UNLESS the word of mouth has just been bad? Did Disney pay people to stay home too?

And trying to have a simple conversation with some of these morons are so frustrating and head butting you give up. Perfect example one of the true believer fanboys wrote a thread stating the film could make a billion dollars. I wrote in saying its possible but doubtful because of how fast the movie was dropping. This was after one week of opening. And some of these idiots, especially A_H fan, true DC fantroll moron of the worst kind, called me a 'Marveltard' and accussed me of having an 'agenda'. Yes Disney pays me too to come on a message board and say maybe the film may not reach a billion dollars although I said it was still possible. Its psychological warfare of the craziest kind apparently. Cut to three weeks later, the film will not reach a billion to save its life, I was right and the DC fanboys who called me out for it have all scattered someplace else they can be utterly wrong on I guess.

Most of us wanted BvS to be good, honestly. It just wasn't and I say this liking it more than MoS which I HATED. I didn't hate this but it was still far from great. Just admit the film had flaws because it did. It doesnt mean DCEU is over and it cant improve but it WON'T improve if these stubborn asses think somehow its just people after DC or Snyder and not because he made a flaw film.....that kind of attitude will get more flawed films made and lower acclaim and BO as it goes.

And like you I recognize this is NOT the majority of how DC fans acted, just the major a$$holes, they know who they are because I remind them every chance I can. I feel bad for the DC fans who just wanted a GREAT film and felt let down. Its crushing! I have not been THAT let down in MCU yet but I been close. And there hasnt been one single film where my entire hopes lies on how I feel about the rest of the franchise. Thats the beauty of MCU these days its so big it can take a hit on one level but you still have so much else to enjoy. HOPEFULLY DCEU will get there but right now its not there clearly.

You can still like DC but admit they need to up their game in their movie division. As BvS showed its not enough FINALLY putting Superman and Batman in the same film...it still has to be good.

Marvel 2016: Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, Daredevil, Civil War, Dr. Strange, Luke Cage!

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These guys come off bitter, angry, in denial and gloating.


Its psychological warfare of the craziest kind apparently.

We can expect that from them, the Nolanites Jr. They learned well from their masters.

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LOL thanks. I know sometimes I get long winded but its just frustrating to me. This isn't some grand conspiracy, no one at Marvel or anywhere is trying to destroy DC or their brand...they are doing that easily all by themselves unfortunately.

And these fanboys just can't admit that. They are so blinded by this silly ass 'war' between the two fanbases they just can't admit maybe just MAYBE MCU is ahead because their films are better. I'm sorry, I know first world problems and all but thats just the reality. DC makes AWFUL films, I dont know why why so many are made but they are. Stop caring about Marvel and thinking someone is going to 'win'. You're not 'winning' because your *beep* movie made more money on a Tuesday by $3 million compared to four other Marvel movies. You'll start 'winning' when the studio makes films everyone can love and enjoy like Nolan's films. Win that way please stop pretending this is a competition if their first 'shared universe' movie is a jumbled mess of a story no one dares subject themselves to watch twice.

Marvel did the hard work and its paying off. They can think their films are bad but clearly they are doing something right. DC had 40 *beep* years to create a shared universe and ALL their characters under one roof at that. Lo and behold they finally decide 37 years later maybe its time to do one a week after Avengers clears $1.5 billion but instead of taking their time with it they rushed crap like BvS after MoS was a mess of a film and here we are. DC fanboys needs to stop *beep* lying to themsleves. It has nothing to do with Marvel or its fandom, but a studio that treated its characters like crap for years and now trying to take the shortcut route to catch up and so far its failing.

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No, no of course! I was strictly discussing MCU here since clearly that's the 'battle' we're talking about between them and DC. Notice no one ever compares DC with the X-Men films for some reason even though they are Marvel as well.

But yes there have been plenty of Marvel film stinkers over the decades. Actually I linked that Fury TV movie I found on Youtube on the AoS and AoU boards last year lol. Dude it was soooooo bad I couldn't get through the first hour. I tried I just couldnt do it. David Hasselhoff is just an awful actor I'm sorry I don't care how much the Germans love him, he sucks.

But thats the other thing and I WHY I think MCU is so successful because they been loaning out their characters to other studios for decades and saw how they been getting it wrong and been taking notes. You look at DD the movie and then DD the TV show and you can't even compare them if you tried. Thats the difference Marvel knew what NOT to do compared to the other studios who royally screwed it up and they been successful if not perfect.

Meanwhile DC is in this constant battle with itself. They have every character they can ever want and they have spent more time making crappy films with them than good. What does it say about a studio when you can't pinpoint one comic book character movie outside of either Batman or Superman and say you made a good film? I dont mean the one offs like V for Vandetta or History of Violence which I never seen and 99% of the population never heard of I mean their every day mainstream comic book characters like Green Lantern, Flash, Wonder WOman, etc. How sad is that? These clowns have been in the game longer than anyone and yet they still can't make a decent comic book film outside these two?

Marvel started making films 8 measly years and has beaten DC at its own game it had nearly 40 years to get right. Its just pathetic on every level. BvS sadly continues the tradition.

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Meanwhile, AH_Fan's retarded attempt to make MCU look like Oskar Paul Dirlewanger continues.

Ironically, given some of his posts, I'm under the impression that AH_Fan secretly supports North Korean government.

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AH_Fan? Oh, I have that guy on ignore ages ago.

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AH_Fan? Oh, I have that guy on ignore ages ago.


I did too but it wasn't by choice, Last Year I basically started stalking him and Making his life hell, and The admins starting deleting My Replies within 2 or 3 mins of me posting them...

so I basically had to put him on Ignore because It does me no good to see his posts, I can't respond to them, the admins deletes them so fast he wont see them..

So I've had him on ignore for the last 9 months, and I must say, Its sucks I miss destroying his life

I've actually got post's of his saved where last year he was guaranteeing BvS to Be The highest Grossing CBM of all time, and Then The Next Year J.L part 1 Will Out Gross BvS to become the highest grossing CBM of all time, he then claims both BvS and J.L Part 1 Will Make more than Avatar and Titanic, and That Wonder Woman Is A guaranteed 1 Billion dollar blockbuster...

I also Have a another one saved where he said "BvS Is the end Of Marvel Studios and Their Sub-Cinematic Universe" He said now that DC started their Cinematic Universe, NO one care about The MCU movies any more, He then said "Marvel Studios and The MCU is going to fade faster than Disco"

I would love to make a post with these saved posts and destroy his life, but I sh!t you not, The admins would delete it within 2 mins, they got some kind of Alert that tells them when I reply to AH Fan...So lol I dont reply anymore, better just to block him and not see his threads, than to see them and not be able to reply

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AH_Fan is just on another level of DC fanboy a$$hole. A level so high he's in his own dimension of a$$hole. He shows the amateurs and wannabes hows its done. That guy act like Marvel *beep* his wife or something, I don't even get people like that? Its almost like its personal with him. Calm down nerd, Marvel didn't ship your job away, we're talking about movies and TV shows, take it down a notch, christ.

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Oi! Howard The Duck was fun :)

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Great post, sums up my feelings entirely. I'm a huge DC fan but feel massively let down by BvS. My initial 7/10 was too generous with time to reflect on it.

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Incredible analysis billbrown7071. Excellent!!!!

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I wasn't on here hyping BvS, but I was one of the guys saying "wait and see."

Especially in regards to Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor.

Well I saw, and I didn't like it.

Not one bit.

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Its sad really that the 2 most iconic Superheroes cant out sell the D team.

WB should have learned their lesson after MoS. Sadly they did not and DC fans have to suffer the consequences.

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WB should have learned their lesson after MoS. Sadly they did not and DC fans have to suffer the consequences.


This is exactly what I was saying to some friends, if some blind with loyalty fans hadn't defended MOS to the death, maybe WB had thought it better, changed their approach and we could have gotten the movie we wanted and deserved not this crap.

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Pretty much. DC characters are so much better than Marvel ones and yet we get laden with production company that is as useless as tits on a bull.

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Yeah, pretty much. DC fans can't stand that Marvel was the first to put a fully functional and coherent universe on the big screen, and did it mostly using second stringers and some REALLY obscure characters.

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A GOOD DCCU would *beep* all over Marvel easily.
We got useless f v c k i n g Snyder though...

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no, it wouldn't.

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A GOOD DCCU would *beep* all over Marvel easily.


Yeah, yeah! I know you are waiting for the second coming. Good luck with that!

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As one of the reviewers pointed out:

Marvel knows how to move the story along and keep us entertained. Marvel knows how to trick us into liking these characters and caring about what happens to them. (That trick is by making them “likable.”)


That's why Marvel succeeds.

That's why the Force Awakens succeeded, despite being a rehash of Star Wars--people gave a damn about the characters.

Crummy characters is why Batman v Superman fails to live up to the hype.

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It's so funny how the only genuine flaws anyone has been able to point out about TFA was that it was a rehash. Literally nothing else. Because like the marvel films it's fun and you care about the characters

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Well, there is the old "Mary Sue" argument, which in less abstract terms boils down to "no matter how likable she is Rey doesn't ever seem to be in genuine danger and thus situations surrounding her are devoid of stakes".

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bump!

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While I never quite felt like she was NEVER in genuine danger... yeah- they make her too capable.

Hopefully they kinda power her down in Ep 8

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It's so funny how the only genuine flaws anyone has been able to point out about TFA was that it was a rehash.


That seems to be all the people harp on for the most part.

For the record, I haven't seen it. I have no interest right now to be honest--I'm Star Warred out (barring the OG Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back).

However those who dug the Force Awakens all say the same things--the characters are FUN and relatable, especially Poe Dameron and Finn.

It's got it where it counts.

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Oh, it absolutely a rehash. Then again, so was Terminator 2. That was pretty good, as far as I can remember! There was enough good stuff in TFA to make up for any of the retreads. The makers had to do an impossible job. They had to please the fans, and the newcommers, and they did it. As long as they don't do the same thing for the next one.
TFA is a good action film, but an excellent Star Wars film

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wholeheartedly agree

TFA is the 3rd best SW film imo. Just edges out RotJ for me.

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I hear what you are saying, but, Vader and Luke's fight, in ROJ, was emotionally powerful , and the attack on the Death Star, is the best space dogfight ever put on film imo. So, for me, it's in fourth place, but, a very respectable forth !

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I hear what you are saying, but, Vader and Luke's fight, in ROJ, was emotionally powerful , and the attack on the Death Star, is the best space dogfight ever put on film imo.


Agreed. There were parts of RotJ that surpass TFA indisputably. that being a prime example. But there's also some super slow stuff in RotJ like the Ewoks that just bore me. i never felt like TFA had that slow spot.

So yes- the best parts of RotJ are better than the best parts of TFA. but overall, i think TFA is on level.

Neither f--king compare to Empire tho- that will never be topped...ever

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I agree. While watching the movie, I only enjoyed the scenes with Batman in them. I couldn't care less about Lois Lane's journalist adventures. I wished they had cut those scenes out of the movie. I don't think that great movies are supposed to make you feel that way.

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No, of course they don't.

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If Civil War makes a billion and BvS doesn't it really will drive the point home. It's already beaten BvS in critical praise and it hasn't even landed in theaters yet.

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Damn, talk about salt in a gaping wound.

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biggest box office collapse of all time??? That's a bit of an exaggeration............ Honestly thou, I really don't think DC fans care one way or the other what the Disney movie makes?? If they liked or disliked BvS, the money Disney makes won't affect a normal DC fan.

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No, a normal fan won't care much.

The fanatics, on the other hand, will likely be squirming in their seats.

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Fanatic is where the word fan comes from.. I suppose that would be me. I enjoyed BvS, thought it should of been better (hated the introduction of the Justice league). But will have to see later if some holes will be filled - as far as Disney goes, I really don't care........ I'll watch Civil War at some point, but need to catch up the other movies first. Just don't know about those characters much..... Ironman?? That to me was a black sabbath song, hulk was a 70's cult TV show - Thor never knew about - I do however like Spider-Man so it will be cool to eventually see what they do with him.... I'm 95% DC with my Marvel love going to X-Mem and Spider-Man - but all that said, could care less how much money Disney makes as long as I still get my Movies!!!

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OK, the extremists then.

Zealots.

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biggest box office collapse of all time??? That's a bit of an exaggeration...........

That isnt an exaggeration. Its a flat out fact. It dropped by 68% from week 1 - week 2. That has never happened before.

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Yeah I don't follow numbers much, but I recall mention of that severe of a drop being unprecedented.

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Biggest Box Office Flop and Bigest drop from 1st to 2nd weekend are two Extremely different things....... So no, not a fact

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Biggest Box Office Flop and Bigest drop from 1st to 2nd weekend are two Extremely different things


So are "collapse" and "flop".

"Collapse" is what happened to BvS.

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So, who mentioned the word flop.

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He said collapse... not flop.

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It actually 69% (huger difference I know) which has happened before. Numerous times. John Campea loves reminding people of Harry Potter 7 72% drop just to put his own mind at ease about this.

It was more that it had a 69% drop off in a follow up weekend with ZERO competition. That's just pathetic.

This film has slowed to a crawl. It won't hit $350m domestic or even $900m WW.

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http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-8-biggest-film-box-office-disasters-of-all-time.html/?a=viewall

seems like most of the biggest flops of all time belong to Disney if that list is accurate

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biggest box office collapse of all time??? That's a bit of an exaggeration............ Honestly thou, I really don't think DC fans care one way or the other what the Disney movie makes?? If they liked or disliked BvS, the money Disney makes won't affect a normal DC fan.



absolutely not...

I specifically said "collapse" ...Not "Failure"


BvS truly had the biggest Box office collapse of all time...

to open with a massive 424 million dollar global opening and then NOT make it to 1 Billion Is bad but to fall short of 1 Billion by over 100 Million is a Collapse

BvS had Historically bad Box Office drops Domestically, some of the worst ever.

BvS Died Overseas, It didn't collapse, it Literally Died, It went from 254 M in week 1.... to 84 M in week 2... to 33 M in week 3....Thats Death

BvS's Drop in China is the single most astonishing box office stat I've ever read(and I've been following box office for 10 years)...BvS Dropped 83% in China in week 2, Thats beyond belief, No other movie in the last decade dropped more than that.

after BvS opened to a massive 424 Million dollar opening, Multiple Box office sites said "BvS would have to fall of a cliff now not to make 1 Billion after opening This big"

Basically, Multiple box office sites and analyst couldn't even envision "A Worst Case Scenario Of BvS not making at least 1 Billion after 1 week" and not only did it NOT Make 1 Billion but its going to miss it by over 100 Million

BvS is 1 of 8 films to open Over 160 Million...It will be the lowest Grossing film out of all of them Domestically, It will also Be The The Only film ever to open over 160 Million and NOT make at least 350 Million Domestically...

BvS Opened to 166 Million, Guardians Of Galaxy Opened at 95 Million.....GOTG is going to end up out grossing BvS domestically, that is the definition Of A Collapse...

Ant-Man A Movie that Zack Snyder called "flavor of the week" and A movie that Opened to 57 Million, Is going to start making more than BvS on a daily basis in 2 days...

BvS Is going to end up making 120 Million dollars less domestically than The Last Batman Movie(The Dark Knight Rises) that Featured ONLY Batman, BvS is Gonna end up making 200 Million dollars less WOrld Wide than The Last Batman movie(The Dark Knight Rises) that Featured ONLY Batman...

It is in no way An exaggeration to say BvS had the biggest Box office collapse of all time...I'm not saying its the biggest failure or disappointment...I'm saying No movie in history collapsed the way BvS did...

BvS absolutely DIED after week 1...anyway you look at BvS's numbers and Drops after Week 1 they are Historically ALL TIME Bad, There truly is no other conclusion based on BvS's box office results, other than BvS Literally had the biggest Box office collapse of all time



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Using reason with these Trolls, good luck with that!

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