So in The Ring Two, Rachel finds and talks to Evelyn in an institution.
*semi spoiler alert*
In Rings, it is said that Evelyn just disappeared one day, and no one knows what happened to her. Is this a continuity error, or is it possible that the people in the town don't know what became of her? Or perhaps they're lying?
Rings ignores The Ring Two except for reusing Evelyn's name. In The Ring Two Evelyn was found wandering the streets eight months pregnant, was taken in by a shelter, and gave birth to Samara (and tried to kill her) at said shelter. In Rings Evelyn was kept under the church by the priest and gave birth to (and tried to kill) Samara there. Obviously the two backstories are incompatible.
shareOk, thanks. After reading other threads on this board, it seemed pretty clear that they were ignoring the events of The Ring Two. Which I don't mind too much since I didn't think it was a very good film, but the two different backstories for Evelyn are a bit confusing.
shareThey didn't ignore part 2.
shareHow is that a continuity error? She wasn’t in the dungeon for the full 9 months, and the priest was aware of Samara dying at Shelter Mountain, so why wouldn’t he know about the drowning attempt? He was clearly keeping tabs like Rachael
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The second movie explicitly states Evelyn gave birth at the shelter. This movie explicitly states she gave birth in captivity under the church, which apparently you missed. They cannot both be true.
shareReally? I only remember she kept there about 8 and a half months and the priest said she (Evelyn) wanted to kill the baby (but I guess she wanted Samara dead even before her birth), but not remember telling about the birth. And she was raped there. So she wasn't there 9 months (okay, she could have given birth early).
So my opinion, she was escaping after all, and finds her wandering somewhere and bring to the shelter like in Ring 2.
The priest said he chained her up because she was trying to kill the baby. We see the chains in the room under the church so we know he did it there, hence she tried to kill the baby there, hence it was born there.
EDIT: Actually re-reading my line of thought... I suppose it's theoretically possible that he meant she tried to kill the baby by abortion/causing a miscarriage. It's a bit of a stretch but if you really want to connect this to The Ring Two then I guess that's your best shot.
That said, the timeline issue is still there. Though again, if you wanna stretch credibility a bit to try and fill the hole, it's possible the lady who said Evelyn disappeared 30 years ago was just off by a decade somehow.
A priest believing abortion to be murder... i don't think that's any kind of a stretch, actually. Just saying.
shareNot that part so much as her somehow escaping/being released just before giving birth and the movie not bothering to mention it. Kind of an important detail.
shareThis also confused the hell out of me. However, I personally interpreted the "trying to kill the baby" thing as attempted miscarriage. Additionally, one of the images on the tape was of Evelyn, very pregnant, walking around outside - which indicates that she must have gotten out somehow. It seems like the movie should have explained that she escaped. I had wondered how she got out and ended up in the asylum, but I guess assuming that she escaped is the best bet.
Also, why did the priest move Samara's remains to his house?
I agree. I think Evelyn escaped captivity at 8 1/2 months and found the women's shelter and gave birth there.
The priest hid the bones after the flood because he knew they had power. He understood from the other people that visited that the marking on the hand meant "rebirth" and he was trying to stop this from happening.
Another issue between this and the second movie is how the hell Samara could even come back. Rachel realized she had to close the well in order to keep her from popping up in people's televisions and killing them and she sealed up her only way out. If this is following the first movie, then we don't have an issue since Rachel never knew how to keep Samara from coming back, but rather how to keep her off of HER back (by distributing the tape so other people can see it).
shareAgreed, this has really bothered me. How is Samara able to get out when the ring two suggested no exit for her.
shareConsidering that the third film was supposed to be a prequel, it's just a plot hole. They chose to ignore Rachel trapping Samara because they couldn't find a creative way to write themselves out of that corner.
However you could also say that Rachel closing the well was really her stopping her from possessing Aidan again, or that she only closed the well from that particular tape (the one she burned) and Samara then realized that Rachel didn't want to be her mother so she stopped pursuing them.
Considering that the third film was supposed to be a prequel, it's just a plot hole.
They chose to ignore Rachel trapping Samara because they couldn't find a creative way to write themselves out of that corner.
However you could also say that Rachel closing the well was really her stopping her from possessing Aidan again, or that she only closed the well from that particular tape (the one she burned) and Samara then realized that Rachel didn't want to be her mother so she stopped pursuing them.
I was referring to very early in development back at Dreamworks. Originally The Ring Two was supposed to have more flashback scenes of Samara and the Morgans and Dreamworks had them pull that material out of the script because they wanted to expand it into a full third film that was to be a prequel. This is why the Ring Two has a closed ending, because they knew the third film didn't have to answer the "How did Samara get out of the well?" question.
However, when the sequel failed critically the third film went into development hell and then Dreamworks was sold to Paramount who didn't look at the property again until 2010 when they decided they wanted a sequel instead of a prequel. Also, it was originally supposed to be a full on reboot but somewhere in the development process I guess they decided to make it a sequel/soft reboot.
It was stated in Rings that Evelyn was locked up for 8.5 months and we found out from Burke that he raped her during captivity. That she tried to hurt the baby doesn't mean it had to have been borne. So I think the idea is that she managed to escape.
We also see a vision of Evelyn wandering the streets pregnant.
I don't remember how she found Evelyn in The Ring Two.
It was stated in Rings that Evelyn was locked up for 8.5 months and we found out from Burke that he raped her during captivity. That she tried to hurt the baby doesn't mean it had to have been borne. So I think the idea is that she managed to escape.
I don't remember how she found Evelyn in The Ring Two.
shouldnt the one ring be to big for a hobbits little fingers?
why didnt gandalf just fly them to the volcano on his griffin?