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Ending totally implausible (Spoiler alert)


Does anybody agree with me that the final resolution of this film is totally implausible if not impossible? How could these women possibly have succeeded in covering up their guilt and the events of the evening, cleaning the crime scenes, and disposing of Caesar's body, without either the mob, the police, and/or the neighbors catching on to them?

A few minutes before Tilly shoots Caesar, Tilly has called Mickey and told him to come back quickly to help her. With $2 million on the line and the crime boss missing, you can bet Mickey and others from the gang would be arriving pronto.

So how could the two women possibly dispose of Caesar's body before the mob arrived that night? They would have had to:
1) Pick up the body covered with and in the middle of a huge puddle of white paint
2) Prevent the white paint from dripping in the hallway or elsewhere.
3) Prevent themselves from dripping white paint in the hallway or elsewhere from their footprints.
4) Use both women to carry the body out because of its weight and their not being extremely big and strong themselves.
5) Avoid being seen by not only the mob, but also by other tenants in this large condo building, the body being on one of the upper floors.

It doesn't seem possible to do it before the mob arrives. Once the mob arrived, wouldn't the mob be watching every move that is made in and out of that building?

Wouldn't the police have been called in again after the final round of multiple gunshots? Especially the bullet shots aimed downwards, which would have likely penetrated the floor and through the ceiling of the condo one floor below.

Even if somehow the two women were able to dispose of Caesar's body without the mob knowing, why would the mob believe Tilly's full story carte-blanche?
Wouldn't Tilly be immediately on the mob's suspected list given that the money was still unrecovered and she *could* have been lying and could have been involved in some way with or without the complicity of Caesar, and/or could have known the whereabouts of the money?

Even if they believed her, why would they let her go? Why would they not simply kill her? She knows too much about this particular affair and the mob in general. The mob does not give consent for "family" or "family" spouses to just "walk away" from the mob and mob associations and leave town to live a new private life away from the mob. It would be too dangerous to the mob to allow family members and/or their spouses to do so.

One person on this blog assumed that Vi met Mickey outside of the building after she killed Caesar and that Mickey never went into Caesar's condo when he arrived following Vi's phone call to him asking for help. That seems impossible for the following reasons:

Mickey would HAVE to have come into the condo. Even if Violet had lied to him and never told him about the bodies in the apartment when he arrived that night, he would still be compelled to insist on searching Caesar's condo that evening. That is because there would be several mysteries for Mickey and the mob to solve:

1) Where is the money?
2) Where is Caesar?
3) Where are the mob boss, his son, and the other gangster, and what happened to them?
4) Why did Caesar lie about the 3 dead gangsters being alive and in the hospital following a car crash which never happened?
5) Who ransacked Johnny's apartment and why?
6) What was Vi's knowledge of, and/or participation in, Caesar's actions, and what was the time frame of everything she knew about and did regarding Caesar's actions?

There would have been so many serious unanswered questions that the mob would HAVE to come into Caesar's condo and thoroughly search it for any clues that might help them answer these unanswered questions.

It seems to me that the Tilly character could not have confidently assumed that she was going to get away alive, and with the money no less, after shooting Caesar. Please let me know your thoughts, whether or not you disagree with me, and why.

To me this was an extremely implausible ending to this movie. Other parts were somewhat implausible, but this aspect at the end is absolutely and completely implausible.

All of the cleanup after the murder of Caesar was neither shown nor explained in the film. There is a huge hole in the plot starting the moment after Caesar falls dead until the next scene which is several days or weeks later when it is shown that Tilly and her friend are leaving town with the money and the mob is permitting Tilly to leave and has no suspicions about her. I believe the writer/directors knew that the ending was so implausible if not impossible that they purposely left this huge hole in the script. I am wondering how many viewers realized at the very end how implausible the ending was, or if they simply never thought about it.

What do you think?

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I totally agree with you.

Let me mention first that when I saw the movie for the first time, being a non english speaker there was one sentence that was badly translated into subtitles and/or that I did not well understand : it is the phone call from Vi to Mickey. So first, at the end of the movie, I had a totally different vision : for me, Vi had told Mickey on the phone that she and Caesar's were being attacked by some people (maybe people around Shelly), and that Mickey arrived too late : they had killed Caesar and Violet had hidden herself somewhere in the apartment. So she does not need to hide the body nor to explain about the mess in the apartment and in Johnny's. When Mickey tells him "we'll find him" he is talking about the murderer of Caesar.

OK that was just a misunderstanding from me, but when I just watched the movie again and when I found out about the real plot of the ending, i realized that it was implausible and how the version i just told you about would have been better... It is just one sentence Vi's telling on the phone that makes all the incoherence of the plot. By just cutting this frame, you change the movie into something more acceptable.

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1) Where is the money?
Vi tells him that Caesar took it.

2) Where is Caesar?
Caesar ran away with the money. (Actually he's dead but this is what Vi tells Micky)

3) Where are the mob boss, his son, and the other gangster?
Caesar killed them and Micky took care of their bodies later.

4) Why did Caesar lie about the 3 dead gangsters being alive and in the hospital following a car crash which never happened?
Cause he wanted to run away with the money.

5) Who ransacked Johnnie's apartment and why?
Caesar did it, to make it look like the Karpella family did it.

6) What was Vi's knowledge of, and/or participation in, Caesar's actions, and what was the time frame of everything she knew about and did regarding Caesar's actions?
Everything happened that night and Caesar made her do everything that she did(that's what she tells when she calls Micky and asks him to help her).

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Caesar body was in the apartment corky was cleaning and it stayed there until they dumped it...earlier Caesar dumped the three bodies from his apartment.

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the entire plan was based upon Mickey's feelings for Tilly. if it was a woman , for example, who was in charge - their plan would've never worked because no one would believe them and take the chance of letting her go like that.

but...man + seduction = stupid ! lol
ofcourse they took a huge risk on what his reaction would be, but they were counting on it.

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I agree that the reason Vi got away was because Mickey was in love with her. We don't know what his status in the Mob was but since he had a minder with him it was presumably high.
Why nobody heard the repeated gunshots is a big problem but we never see any other residents so its possible that the person who heard the other gunshots was out?
How do they get rid of Caesars body? Corky is redecorating the apartment and Mickey has no knowledge of her; she would be taking heavy stuff in and out all the time.

"Knowledge is cheap at any price"

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Why couldn't a woman have feelings for Tilly the way Mickey did?!?

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All that writing because you never paid attention!!!
Violet didnt have to clean anything!
He was in a different apartment. Not theirs.
She didn't have to do anything but walk out back to her apartment.

Less time criticising....more time paying *beep* attention!!!!!!!

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So the girls now have $2 million between them. Even if they move a long way away would it not come to the attention of the mafia that their new lifestyle was a bit er..... lavish ?

'Knowledge is cheap at any price'

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I like to think that they left no traces of identity..no phone numbers.. maybe even different identities altogether and escaped far away from where they were..so far that the mafia would have no clue of their whereabouts. Plus they could also save the money and/or Violet could say she earned it from another man or the two of them won it etc.

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Most of your complaints are invalid because they were in a different apartment.

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As others have explained, they were in a different apartment, so they didn't really have much to do. I agree that there are some implausibilities though, but its still a very entertaining film overall.

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