Never criticised for being Anti- staight?


Now i am an Aussie and love the film but upon relfection its very and quite viciously anti-hetrosexual. Correct me here but there is not a single positive straight character either male or female in the entire film.... and i mean major characters, not a random extra... and i exclude the son. In fact the only positive (i assume)straight character in Bill Hunter ends up swinging the other way at the end!

Its odd, cause if this was reversed it would have been pilloried by the G&L Lobby. Its almost like it was some kind of Warhol/Waters/Anger underground film that somehow became mainstream.

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Did you see something in the movie that was explicitly anti-heterosexual? I don't recall seeing any such thing... The only "straight" characters (that weren't random extras) that I recall were Bob and his wife. His wife left to find a better situation for herself which is a positive thing, I think - and Bob was falling in love with Bernadette, who, is now a woman - so he wasn't "swinging the other way" as you suggest. The sexuality of pretty much all the other secondary characters was indeterminate.

Experiencing the world away from the comfort of your home and surroundings was one of the themes of the movie. There are areas of the world that may not understand different kinds of people, and certain people sometimes react negatively to outsiders due to their ignorance. The only really negative character was Frank, who was probably sexually repressed since his reaction to Phylicia was so extreme. The rest of the characters - the people in the bars and the aborigines and such - all ended up having a great time with the drag queens after they got to know them.

I found the movie to be incredibly positive. It showed people from different walks of life learning about each other. Please provide some examples of these "vicious" anti-straight themes you thought you experienced!

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You are completely off base, there was no vicious anti-anything in this film. It was outside the box - completely fun and entertaining.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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So give me a hetro character that was not negative. Certainly not the entire pub (i wont venture into the possible racist issue), or the louts at Coober. The Aboriginal guy ended up liking cross dressing... maybe he was already gay - i dont know. The ex-wife was gay, Hunter turned gay -or whatever you want to call it. None of the Shows hotel Audience. I cant think of one. Now i know its kind of a Gay Wizard of Oz type road trip film from a Gay perpective.... but, not one?

Like i said, i think its a great fun film, but this is one area that i always found curious.

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There are many movies that are very thought provoking and can be interpreted in many ways - but this movie is not one of them.

Your curiosity is very curious.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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One of the most positive characters in the film was Bob. Being as he married a woman and eventually wound up with a transgendered woman, Bernadette, that makes him straight (albeit perhaps more open-minded than many straight men). The ex-wife may have been bi or bi-curious, due to the mention of her having a girlfriend at one time. However, their son mentioned that the ex-wife didn't have a boyfriend at the moment, which would imply she typically dated men and was (mainly) straight. She was also a very supportive and positive character.

As for the Aboriginal who dressed in drag, no mention is made of his sexual orientation, so no conclusion can be drawn. Dressing in drag does not define one's sexual orientation. Also, once Bernadette confronted Shirl in the first town they stopped at, the remaining patrons of the bar became far some tolerant, even sympathetic toward the main characters.

So no, I don't see this film as "anti-straight" by any means.

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I'd call it anti-homophobic if anything

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Awwwww, you poor baby, and how VERY sad for you, seeing as how heterosexuals have had it SO ROUGH, for SO very long, when you have had to deal with the 43 years of hatred, stupidity, and CRAP that almost ANY homosexual has, then I will pity you, until then, get over it!, And no one SWUNG the other way, Bernadette was, a woman, therefore no one SWUNG any way.Again I say, get over it!

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I'm straight and I simply saw it as being anti - discriminatory.


"That's all we need: a cock, in a frock on a rock!

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The OP brings to mind the quote by the brilliant Steve Buscemi as Nick in "Parting Glances" : Why is it that straights are so narcissistic that 99% of everything you see is about them?

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It was just an observation.

When Friedkin made Cruising - a film about a Gay serial killer in the Leather/Bondage NY club scene he was accused of being anti - gay. but it was a standard homicide film set in an underground world that does exist.

So I stand by my original comment. I enjoyed the film, I am NOT homophobic, and nobody has yet given me a positive straight character.... and I simply cannot easily include Hunter who ended up with a post? op Trannie.

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Fine. Though no one agrees. Why are straight (men?) so narcissistic everything has to be about them?

Everyone has given you a reasonable answer. I disagree with your original statement that it's anti-anything but rather it's pro-tolerance.

Maybe you'd like to tell Esteban Navarro, a gay teen whose legs have had to be amputated after being brutally attacked by a homophobic mob in Chile, that straights are misrepresented in this film? Or to discuss it with the family of another gay Chilean, Daniel Zamudio, murdered by neo-nazis, or the family of Matthew Shepard, or Marc Carson, murdered in May this year because of his sexuality?

I don't see why a film set in the LGBT community should have to include positive straight characters.

So long as the characters are interesting and credible that's enough and Bill Hunter, Alan Dargin, Julia Cortez all provide riveting viewing.



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OK, so here's ONE movie that, according to you, is anti-heterosexual, because it doesn't feature a positive hetero person. Now, think about EVERY movie that doesn't have a positive homosexual/bisexual/transgender/et cetera. In most movies there isn't even one single homosexual person, let alone one who is portrayed in a solely positive way.

Now think about all the violent hate-crimes and general discrimination towards people who are not heterosexual. And while you're thinking this, I will assure you of another fact: THERE IS NO INSTITUTIONAL HATE TOWARDS HETEROSEXUALS. NOWHERE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD ARE HETEROSEXUALS VILIFIED JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE HETEROSEXUALS.

Now, do you still think this is relevant to bring up?

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That's really funny. Is every romantic comedy about a straight couple that doesn't have a gay character at all "anti-Gay"? Seriously, I'm book-marking this thread.

And, Bob is straight. Being interested in a post-op MTF does not make a person gay, for cripes sake. A post-op MTF is a woman. If anything, Bob is more secure in his identity than most men, because he's open to dating Bernadette.

The wife, who I don't think is technically an ex, is, at most, bisexual, and she really presents as straight to me. On affair with a woman once does not make a person a lesbian. Ask Anne Heche.

More to the point, though, this is about the particular experiences of these three main characters, and their own experiences of straight people haven't generally been that great. This is a bit of life as lived by two men who are gay and very much out, and a transgendered woman. They encounter a lot of homophobia probably almost daily. The older two are close to middle-aged, and the film was made almost 20 years ago, which means they had to live through being gay and transgendered back when being "homosexual" was still a mental illness, and the word "transgendered" didn't even exist. Even the one who is younger still lived through a lot of hate. He probably came out right when AIDS was still called "gay-related immune deficiency" by doctors, and "the gay plague" by the public.

So, what the OP is interpreting as "anti-straight" is just the reflection of the experience of a lot of gay people that straight people, even otherwise nice ones, just don't always treat them so well. A lot of the "bad" straight people might be just fine if we saw them in other situations, but we don't, because the film isn't about them.

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ahhh... but if, in that film every gay character was either negative or a screaming queen caricature, there would be an uproar. now here is a film that is the exact opposite.

I know gays have always had terrible experiences which is why they clump in areas of safety....... no differently than ethnic groups do in all major cities in the world. That is not what I am commenting on.

Also I grew up in Newtown, the exact suburb where the bus leaves at the beginning and at end of the film so I am comfortable with the environ and the occupants and have been to the drag shows in the pub.

The Pilipino wife - I am sorry- having here as a sexually obsessed/ crazed and out of control character is hardly a positive image.

Bob - he is indeed a positive character, but having him a being interested in Stamp and in fact staying with him/her at the end - again that's taking him out of the straight camp.

In fact one could argue that Bob suppressed his wife and only became a better person once she left (to do happy ending work in Sydney? )and he turned 'queer'.

So yeah I still stand my initial comment - that it always seemed like an underground gay/ cult film, along the lines of Water's Desperate Living or Pink Flamingo's or Warhols Flesh, Heat etc, that made it into the Mainstream - types of films that I do indeed love.

It was an observation of the film's structure ONLY - not a criticism.

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Was Stamp transgendered?

Either way, Bob was not straight Hetro. Again I like the film and am not gay bashing but there are simply no positive straight characters, which I have found odd that its never mentioned.

I could honestly see me watching this in the 70's as a John Waters film.

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Yes, Bernadette was a post-op transsexual; she references having had "the chop" and that her parents never spoke to her again. She was a woman. Several people have said this to you already. Bob was attracted to Bernadette, who was a woman, and that makes him straight - if you're so very keen to label people, but for the purposes of this thread, I suppose labels are required.

So that is the answer to your question. Bob is a heterosexual man, and he is undoubtedly a nice person.

It's not anti-straight, it's anti-discrimination.


"You people. If there isn't a movie about it, it's not worth knowing, is it" - Dogma

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The bob character is a grey area to be sure, the fact he has to bring in a mail order bride is designed to tell us he has existing issues, no doubt there... we'll put aside her Thai sex show portrayal...

but that he finds Stamp attractive is certainly more about their male bonding as well. so, no I cannot see him as a straight person but like many married man or women who in later life turn gay, I see him as conflicted.

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I can't tell if you're fundamentally anti-trans people or just determined not to see an alternative perspective. Please, open your mind.

Terence Stamp played a character who was a woman, born in a man's body. It's not an uncommon state. The physical accoutrements are irrelevant. She was a woman, through and through; and after having had surgery, there was literally nothing left of the superficial maleness with which she was mistakenly born. There is no "male bonding" because Bernadette is not male. Bernadette is a woman. Bernadette is a woman. Bernadette is a woman.

Would you like me to repeat it?

"You people. If there isn't a movie about it, it's not worth knowing, is it" - Dogma

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Bob never a mail order bride. That's what they assume when they meet her, but later in the film there is a flashback scene with him waking up from a drunken night married to Cynthia.

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Honestly I can't believe that you think this film is anti-straight. It isn't anti-straight, it isn't pro-straight, it isn't ABOUT 'straight'. Stop seeing things that aren't there.

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there may not be any movies chock full of stereotypical queens, but most of us have probably seen quite a few that have at least 1.

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In fact one could argue that Bob suppressed [sic] his wife and only became a better person once she left (to do happy ending work in Sydney? )and he turned 'queer'.

That comment is just proof of your own bias. And ignorance. Bernadette isn't a man - she's a transgender woman. Bob is a straight man who fell in love with her. he didn't "turn queer", to use your gross and dated phrase.

Another positive straight character is Tick's wife. Or do you have a problem with her also?

Your "initial comment" has been repeatedly and forcefully repudiated. So stand by your baseless opinion all you want. It just proves you're a bigot and an ignoramus.

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What bias? All I am saying is its always amazed me that this point is not brought up.


AND btw, the wife is at least Bi-sexual - the son tells Guy Pearce she had a GF at the 1 hour 26 minute mark.

So..... I am still waiting for a positive, straight character.

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Please. You've had your answer. It's just not the answer you want. Or more likely, you're just a childish, homophobic troll who likes to see what hackles he can raise on the IMDB site of a gay-positive movie.

Poke all you want. You're ignored.

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Damm............. still waiting for a proper answer to the question proper. Name me one positive or even neutral straight character.

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All of the Aboriginal people who were immediately accepting? And incidentally, with regard to the man who dressed up with them during that scene....wearing women's clothes does not mean you're gay! There are lots of heterosexual people who are also transvestites. Stop making this film about something that it's not.

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Yes, as Eddie Izzard has said, most transvestites fancy girls. Then again, he's an action transvestite so I don't know how credible that makes his statement. lol

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