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Where did the first life cell come from? It couldn't have been the result of natural evolution or stardust. Thus, only a creator with complexity could design something so unique and complex. I recommend Jerry Bergman's piece on molecules-to-man theory where he deduces that the parts required to provide life clearly have specifications that rule out most substitutions, and that no class of molecule is currently known which can remotely compete with proteins. Evolution is just not proven.

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It couldn't have been the result of natural evolution or stardust.
Why not?
Plus, evolution has been proven over and over and over.

Impossible is illogical.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
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Recent studies have shown 'man' cannot sit/stand idly for ten seconds listening to one's own thoughts without pushing a button to deliver pain to oneself.

Now try and imagine three billion years of those ten seconds. It's damn unfathomable. It's just as unfathomable that a single-cell organism over three billion plus years adapt, evolve and grow into billions upon billions of different species.

But that's okay. Man is slow, evolution is patient. Dinosaurs were slower; evolution outlived them.









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Recent studies have shown 'man' cannot sit/stand idly for ten seconds listening to one's own thoughts without pushing a button to deliver pain to oneself.
Sorry, that's just nuts. I don't comply.
Please provide references to this misappropriation.

Impossible is illogical.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
 +  = 

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A random process cannot create ontological change. That's an old one.

The theory of evolution -- and whatever random naturalistic explanation is given for the initial life -- can only thrive if you completely ignore traditional metaphysics. Grandpa Darwin was an occultist who wanted to replace Christianity with Epicureanism.

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Still, evolution is well-recorded in the fossil evidence.
It's real, scientific.
As far as "initial life" we just don't yet now enough - yet.
That's nothing new, we are still learning.

Impossible is illogical.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
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Still, evolution is well-recorded in the fossil evidence.

That's a joke.

It's real, scientific.

Those are completely different things. Scientific, by definition, isn't real.

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The theory of evolution -- and whatever random naturalistic explanation is given for the initial life -- can only thrive if you completely ignore traditional metaphysics.

Considering that the theory of evolution is in fact thriving and traditional metaphysics is nonsense only taken seriously by a meaningless group of theologians and bad philosophers, let us indeed ignore traditional metaphysics.

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cosmic_surveyor,
Your avatar and this topic reminded me of one of my favorite overview books on the topic: https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Triumph-Idea-Carl-Zimmer/dp/0694526061/

I own both the printed copy and the audiobook, and both are excellent. And while it's becoming more and more dated as new discoveries are made, it's still a great introduction.

Carl Zimmer is a very good science writer and writes an enjoyable science blog for National Geographic: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/blog/the-loom (though I wish he'd post there more often).






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