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Big inventions that bombed?


What are some big time inventions that were claimed to revolutionize things that turned out to fail?

The Segway Scooter
3D movies

What else?

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Premier cigarette. Millions spent to develop this smokeless cigarette, it flopped miserably and quickly disappeared, to the point that most people never heard of it. It is a 'heated tobacco product' and differs from an electronic cigarette (vaping). I remember reading about it in 'Barbarians at the Gate: The Fall of RJR Nabisco'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_(cigarette)

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Maybe not an invention but New Coke tanked hard. After about three months Coke brought back the original formula and called it Classic Coke.

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I remember that.
I even saved two glass bottles, when there was still such a thing, before they made the switch, thinking they would be collectors items.
Then when they brought the orig. back, I drank them.
Heck, perhaps they could have been CIs after all since glass bottles are not around anymore like they used to be.

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Nothing tastes like Coke from a glass bottle. They're still around but a bit cost prohibitive if you're buying it to drink it on a regular basis.

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Yeah, it's now imported from Mexico and I drink it in moderation.

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I wonder why only Mexico.

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I'm sure because it's cheaper to make there.

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Other countries are like this that have American brands where they do not use or add the chemicals and fake stuff that we do.

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The true "Classic Coke" didn't return. The formula was changed to replace cane sugar with high fructose corn syrup (HFCS).

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This is true.
If you can find it, the orig. Coke now comes from Mexico in glass bottles.

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That happened before the 1985 "New Coke" fiasco:

COKE, PEPSI TO USE MORE CORN SYRUP

By Lee A. Daniels

Nov. 7, 1984

The Coca-Cola Company announced that it would use up to 100 percent of the corn syrup to sweeten bottled and canned Coca-Cola and caffeine-free Coca-Cola, stating that this would allow it the ''flexibility'' to use sugar, or high-fructose corn syrup, or some blend of both as cola sweeteners.

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/07/business/coke-pepsi-to-use-more-corn-syrup.html

It started happening in 1980:

Sarah Setten at the Sugar Association Inc. said the group, which has been complaining for several years about soft drinks switching to high-fructose corn syrup, is mounting a new campaign. Today and tomorrow, the group plans to run a full-page advertisement in 12 newspapers across the country with the headline "Why Did the 'Old Cola Drinkers of America' Turn Up Their Noses at Classic Coke?"

The advertisement goes on to say that "They were right. For 94 years Coca-Cola was in fact 'The Real Thing' -- a classic sweetened with real sugar -- an unvarying taste standard known and trusted the world over. But five years ago, Coca-Cola quietly began to change its formula. Until 1979, the Coca-Cola Co. used only sugar as a sweetener. In 1980, the company began blending corn syrup with sugar, using as much as 50 percent of the substitute. In 1984, it went to 100 percent use of the substitute and no sugar. At no time during this five-year period did the company advertise these changes to the consumer or indicate them on the Coke label."

Tony Tortorici of Atlanta, director of public affairs for Coca-Cola USA, said by phone that Coca-Cola Classic is "exactly the same as the original formula for Coca-Cola." However, he confirmed the Sugar Association's history of the percentage change from sugar to HFCS, adding, "It has absolutely no effect on quality or taste."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1985/08/14/new-complaints-about-old-coke/d5f2f7d9-1540-4469-afa2-c9c5e23601ec/

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I had read that there were bottlers in some regions that were still using cane sugar. When the "Classic Coke" was reintroduced, they all switched to high fructose corn syrup (HFCS). There were rumors that whole "New Coke/Classic Coke" campaign was part of a ploy to completely remove real sugar and replace it nationwide with HFCS.

As WarrenPeace noted above, the only way now to experience the original Coke made from real sugar and available in glass bottles is if you can find a store that sells Coke imported from Mexico.

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Though I guess that if they had not gotten the backlash for New Coke they would have kept it.

What I don't get is why they didn't put out both in the first place or why not put out one with corn syrup and the other with cane sugar?

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As MaximRecoil posted above, the switchover started in 1980. I assume the goal was to gradually convert to 100% HFCS. The "New Coke" debacle hastened the process.

The reason for dropping real sugar was the cost. HFCS is cheaper, which is why it has become so prevalent, even to the point where it is found in things like ketchup. It's all about profits, not offering quality products. That's today's business model.

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I had read that there were bottlers in some regions that were still using cane sugar. When the "Classic Coke" was reintroduced, they all switched to high fructose corn syrup (HFCS). There were rumors that whole "New Coke/Classic Coke" campaign was part of a ploy to completely remove real sugar and replace it nationwide with HFCS.

According to Coca-Cola's announcement in 1984, and according to the Sugar Association and confirmed by the director of public affairs for Coca-Cola USA, they were using 100% HFCS in Coke as of 1984, the year before New Coke was introduced.

The thing that got so many people to notice it when "Coca-Cola Classic" came out in 1985 several months after New Coke came out, was the labeling change, i.e., it now said "high fructose corn syrup and/or sucrose" in the ingredients list whereas it had previously said "sugar," even in 1984 and early 1985 before New Coke came out while they were already using 100% HFCS (the Sugar Association pointed that out too: "At no time during this five-year period did the company advertise these changes to the consumer or indicate them on the Coke label.")

As WarrenPeace noted above, the only way now to experience the original Coke made from real sugar and available in glass bottles is if you can find a store that sells Coke imported from Mexico.

That's a different thing entirely. It's very good, and I've bought it quite often for many years (I have some of them in the refrigerator right now), but American Coke never tasted like it, at least not the American Coke that was sold in my neck of the woods (Maine). That's not surprising since even the taste of American Coke varies depending on the bottler. I first noticed that when I was in my late teens, on a plane from Dallas to Tucson, and I got a can of Coke from the flight attendant. It tasted really weird compared to the Coke I'd been drinking daily for years in Maine.

The best tasting Coke IMO is fountain Coke from McDonald's or Burger King. It's better than Mexican Coke even, even though it uses HFCS. On the other hand, the worst Coke I ever had was fountain Coke from a coin-operated vending machine located at a place I used to work in the early 2000s. It was terrible; so bad that, even though I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Coke drinker, I'd choose something else when buying soda from that machine.

I'm not even convinced that anyone could tell the difference between HFCS and sugar in a blind test, assuming everything else was equal. Anyone could tell the difference between Mexican Coke and American Coke, but that has nothing to do with it having sugar rather than HFCS.

The whole "original formula" thing is just marketing; there are lots of different formulas around the world, and even around the country. For example, it's very easy to prove that Mexican Coke is a different formula than American Coke (in more ways than just sugar vs. HFCS) just by comparing the labels:

12-oz. (355ml) Mexican Coke
Serving size: 1 bottle
Calories: 150
Sodium: 85mg

12-oz. (355ml) American Coke
Serving size: 1 can
Calories: 140
Sodium: 45mg

It's obviously impossible for 12 ounces of Mexican Coke to have 10 more Calories and nearly twice the amount of sodium as 12 ounces of American Coke, while still being the same formula aside from containing sugar instead of HFCS.

I also have an empty 12-oz. (355ml) Canadian Coke can here:

Serving size: 1 can
Calories: 160
Sodium: 40mg
Carbohydrates: 42g (vs. 39g for both American and Mexican Coke)

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Interesting data. Thank you for providing the history. It clears up some misconceptions I had.

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That whole thing was a marketing stunt. A rather brilliant one.

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Atomic Bomb

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jet packs
hard hats with sirens on top
steam-powered automobiles
shakers/branch davidians
esperanto

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I remember William Shatner made a horror film entirely in Esperanto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(1966_film)

The premiere of Incubus took place at the San Francisco Film Festival on October 26, 1966, where, according to producer Taylor, a group of 50 to 100 Esperanto enthusiasts "screamed and laughed" at the actors' poor pronunciation of the language. Partly because of its Esperanto dialogue, and partly because of the scandal of actor Milos Milos taking his own life and that of his girlfriend Carolyn Mitchell, Taylor and Stevens were unable to find any distribution for the film except in France, where it premiered in November 1966.

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Cool. It's sort of fitting that an esperanto-speaking audience would be smirking at someone who actually made a film for them.

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Google glasses. We're probably gonna get a working one in the near future (probably)

I feel like we're just not there, yet.

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I don't see how these would work.

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Google Glasses already flopped big time. When Google made the announcement, restaurants far and wide were ready to roll out signs banning the device in their establishment.

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For real? Why though?

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Google Glasses have a built-in camera facing forward. Obviously, you could record people more easily.

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Understandable

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The covid vaccine.

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Nice try but I am asking about things where it is no doubt it bombed.

One can argue the Covid vax. saved lives, helped stop the spread and the pandemic.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it failed.

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Not the place...I was making a joke. Tough crowd.

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Putting in a J/K helps in a place full of virus and vax conspiracy nuts.

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"Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it failed."

That's funny, considering Saint Anthony Fauci himself called it a failure. I guess you haven't gotten the memo yet?

Past unsuccessful attempts to elicit solid protection against mucosal respiratory viruses and to control the deadly outbreaks and pandemics they cause have been a scientific and public health failure that must be urgently addressed. We are excited and invigorated that many investigators and collaborative groups are rethinking, from the ground up, all of our past assumptions and approaches to preventing important respiratory viral diseases and working to find bold new paths forward.

https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(22)00572-8#%20

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I am done debating on this and getting back to the OT.

If you want to argue this then you are free to start yet another thread on it.

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Your tacit concession is noted and your rapid resignation from the argument that you started is accepted.

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How about future bombs?

I recently read a NYT article about the man who had two successful and universal used inventions that turned out to be very big bombs.

1) Leaded Gasoline - early gasoline wasn't as good as it is today, engine knocking and power issues going uphill was a big problem. Lead additive corrected for this, but the long-term negative effect on the human brain from lead gas emissions and residues was severely underestimated.

2) Freon - Before the use of the newly invented chemical, early refrigeration units used unstable gases that could explode, freon didn't and made the modern refrigerator common in homes worldwide..the chemical also put hole in the ozone layer.

Incredibly, the same genius, Thomas Midgely Jr. was involved in both of these inventions. He contracted polio when he turned 50, lost the use of his legs and committed suicide at 55.

A very interesting article (5min read) which I recommend.



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DDT
Asbestos
Thalidomide (racemic)
Roundup (Monsanto)
dioxin

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I’ve been wondering when the effects of Roundup (Monsanto) were going to surface. People use that product like crazy around here.

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Nice add

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Ford Pinto

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Geo Metro

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