Unless you want to become a doctor/dentist/lawyer or other professional jobs, an education is useless. Trades would be the better option.
I see many people with arts degree, yet they're working at Starbucks.
Your thoughts?
--Michael D. Clarke
My boy is into the trades. He’s 15 and can do electric, he can swing a hammer, he’s a good worker and can landscape.
I wanted to work with families and children, I turned out to be good at it but sometimes I think it would have been better to have gone into construction work.
I’m going to buy my boy a Chevy or Ford van and a shitload of tools in a few more years, set him up real good.
Then he can meet a nice girl, get an apartment and earn.
Only problem is can your body take it for a long time...
Signed, million man.
You're more likely to stay healthy, and upright doing manual labor...than doing a desk job.
Sure, your body will crack and creak with every movement for a couple of hours in the morning, but you'll still be moving around like a teenager once you get going.
The sedentary lifestyle of the desk job leads unfathomable health issues unless one stay purposefully active with extracurricular activities or gym memberships(and actually going).
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THIS IS TRUE...MY FATHER HAS NEVER TAKEN PROPER CARE OF HIMSELF...BUT HE HAS BEEN A HANDYMAN FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS...HE IS MID 70S NOW AND IT TAKES HIM A WHILE TO GET GOING...BUT HE STILL WORKS AS HARD AS ANYONE ONCE HE DOES GET GOING.
shareI know a lot of construction guys, they seem to manage their bodies and they earn real well.
They all have their aches and pains but they are not the sorts to piss and moan too much.
I’m hanging in there quite well.
You wouldn’t want to try me, I got no quit pedal:)
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--Michael D. Clarke
Fix your cars, chimneys, electricity or plumbing you idiot. Do you have those skills dumbfuck?
Try that work shithead, it would be amusing to watch you die or wreck your home screaming for mommy LOL.
Seriously, no joke, fuck you🖕
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Capitalism works.
Don’t give me any of that Commie bullshit.
Wow the worst take on MC to date...
So by your logic... telling your kids to become indentured baristas, with crippling debt at 21 years old is a good thing...somehow.
vs.
Learning life-long, marketable skills that will make them employable for their entire lives?
Newsflash: You can better afford college after you make a ton of money working trades...
uneducated working class people are easily controlled and manipulated by the ruling class
Good job, you're doing exactly what the ruling class wants you to do....don't encourage a higher learning and education for your child....instead, encourage your child to work in the trades. Lets be honest here....uneducated working class people are easily controlled and manipulated by the ruling class.
I get your point but theres a balance to be struck
Getting a degree in navel gazing and then working at Starbucks doesent really help change the status quo either.
Tradesmen can earn very good money, they do have to spend some time earning little during their apprenticeship though.
Learning to become a Doctor, Lawyer etc can be very expensive so your reward at the end of your studies is student loans and debt. I think it really depends on the person and how committed they are. I have known people (usually women) who study things almost constantly and just rack up debt without ever working in the field they studied, a lot of them end up working low paid jobs and it just makes me wonder how much better off they may have been if they just skipped the study and went straight to work.
It's not how much you earn but how much you save.
Yeah, the plumber and electric Union guys in New York do really well. They own houses, have kids and decent cars, those are good trades.
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It might depend on where you live but in Australia you have to do some kind of course for any job. You even have to do a course in cleaning if you want to be a cleaner! I agree, I think some jobs should be self taught or learn on the job training.
shareToo many people are hung up on only learning what they need for simple day-to-day survival and their jobs. I say do both.
I'm a self-taught IT geek but I can still spin a wrench. I knew how to do brakes on a car before I ever got my drivers license. I've swapped engines and transmissions on cars. I do volunteer work with an astronomy public outreach group. I do photography. I kinda play a couple musical instruments too. Life shouldn't be about just doing your job and spending the rest of your time looking for ways to entertain yourself. And knowledge of things beyond just taking care of yourself should be satisfying but it seems that too many people reject doing deep dives into something that they're not going to make a buck off of.
I'll agree that a lot of education aside from the licensed professions is pretty much superfluous but you'll never know what you'll find when you open yourself up to these experiences. Your life's goal doesn't need to have to be a writer or English professor for you to pick up a book, read it and study into the history and background of the creator in order for it to be worthwhile.
And if you do art then who cares if you suck at it. The reward can be just as much in the doing as it is in the final product. I don't do photography because I like photos. I do it because I like working with my camera. The photo is just the end result that lets me base the quality of my technique. I don't look to make money from it and when people ask me if they can use my photos for something I just give them away.
And the reward in my astronomy outreach is giving people the chance to understand and see what they wouldn't have otherwise. I remember a few years back showing a lady in her late 80s Saturn through my telescope. She said she'd never seen anything like it. Given her age she likely never will again. It's worth the time and money I've put into it to see those kinds of reactions.
If you are somewhat happy in your profession and make enough to sustain yourself in a reasonable fashion you're already ahead of the curve. The rest of it should really come down to life experiences.
shareYep. I hate not having mastery (within reason) over my stuff.
shareEducation is never useless.
However, if you like some professions like electrician, carpenter or plumber (just in order to mention some of them) and you are a handy person then it is pretty clear what to do.
All trades/industry require way more education than make-work desk jobs. College wasn't supposed to be for everyone, and it needs to go back to that. It's the only way tuition costs will go down. This mindset of "everyone needs to go to college" is exactly the reason it costs so much.
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I wouldn't trade the college experience for trade school.
shareOne creates crippling debt at 21, possibly break even at 45... Maybe a job that relates to the over priced degree.
vs.
Back breaking work for years 1-5, own and run the business for years 5-10, retire early making 100K passively at 45.
That comfy desk job may be gone in 10 years
Trades will always be in demand.
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Before the 1980s, college was someone only a specific percentage of the population needed in order to pursue specific professions, and a High School Diploma back then was the equivalent of an associates degree.
Trades was the norm for boys. High Schools actually had trade classes making college unnecessary. I believe the removal of metal shop, wood shop, electrical shop, automotive, and even home economics were removed from schools by design. These classes gave lots of kids life direction....now they wander into college and come out indentured baristas.
Something has to change.
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