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WWI and WWII..?


American school kids are taught that the wars were separate conflicts but somewhat connected by Germany’s frustration over The Treaty Of Versailles. I have read a couple of times now that many Europeans and others are taught that the entire period between 1914-1945 was one long era of political turmoil and open warfare.

I have two questions for any non-Americans: were you taught the one war view and where are you from?
Thanks.

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Hey, samoanjoes here from Canada. Long time user and many time poster.

I don't recall a time where they taught us that 1914-1945 was one long era. Especially since the start of both wars were for completely different reasons.

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Never heard of you and Canada ain’t foreign, it’s just America’s very chilly attic🥶

I agree, plus Europe aside there was a bloody awful mess going on in the Pacific and Asia during WWII.

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I wasn't taught anything about any wars while I was at school.

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Didn't you guys sing And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda?

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That was on the radio. There was plenty about the wars on television. Films, documentaries and such but I wasn't taught about it in school.

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I vaguely remember being taught a bit about the inter-war years at school in the UK. I also read quite a bit and the view was two separate wars with the Treaty of Versailles + The Great Depression laying the foundations for the rise of Nazism.
I always thought it was interesting that a lot of the blame was also attributed to the Proportional Representation of the Wiemar Republic. The political parties that form the governments over here are always dead set against PR (except when they can't seem to win by the first past the post system).

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It's a fair point in favor of FPTP. The word "fascist" gets thrown around too often. But one of their beefs with democracy was that it wouldn't allow for bold, new ideas.

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I'm not a big fan of 'bold, new ideas'. It seems to translate into a big swing one way then several years later a big swing the other way - eventually they cancel each other out and you've spent all the money achieving bugger all.

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I read somewhere that one of the motivating factors for WW1 was Germany's ambition to challenge the English position as top dog. That's why the Germans were ramping up their military spending and capabilities. The Germans wanted a bigger slice of the pie in other words and the English were determined to defend their turf. The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand and his wife was just a pretext to go to war.

After losing WW1 and being "humiliated" I guess it was forseeable that the Germans would have another go at it.

Both wars were bloody and ridiculous when what they should have been doing instead of tearing Europe apart and bankrupting themselves was forming an alliance to defeat the Communists in Russia and later on in China.



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You're a Brit?

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Australian. Old enough to be an Australian with an English overlay as the books we read and the television shows we watched in my day were often English.

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these wars are very separate from a canadian perspective. i thought only the nazis considered these wars as one struggle.

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Hahaha...yah!
Great expertise. ☺

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exactly.

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In Australia WW1 is all about the failed Gallipoli campaign. On my own I learned that prior to WW1 Europe had the idea if they all had huge armies and strong alliances that no one would dare attack each other.

Then an Austrian Duke was assassinated by a Serbian and all he'll breaks loose.

WW2 is barely covered at all unless it some mention of Australian POW's being treated quite poorly by the Japanese.

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I find this incredible about WW II education in Australian school. The country was directly attacked by the Japanese. The Army had 15 divisions and fought all over the globe many times playing the crucial role in allied war fighting. Australia was an occupying postwar military force in Japan. I take your word for what you learned in school of course. I’m just very surprised it wasn’t a major aspect of education in the country’s schools.

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Not very surprising. Australia also denies aboriginal cannibalism.

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Not very surprising you're on the troll-list also. ☺
Or let's say:
MC elite

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Not very surprising that you didn't find this very surprising.

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Don't mention the cannibalism !

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Could have just been the schools I went to, I'm not sure if it was like that everywhere. I grew up in a working class area and the focus was on sports and some maths so we could all go off and be tradesmen and work in factories etc.

I was an anomaly even at a young age. I liked history, especially military history. So I would spend as much time in the library as possible reading.

WW2 was barely covered even though Australia was famous for the Rats of Tobruk regiment. WW1 was all about Gallipoli which is a shame as in 1917 the Australian Light Horse launched one of the last cavalry style charges in the 20th century. I didn't learn about that until much later on.

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School was so long ago that I can't remember for sure, but I assume they were presented as two separate wars. It wasn't until an episode of Doc Martin (series 2, ep 1, Old Dogs) when Martin was testing a patient's cognition after an illness. He asked her when WWII started, and she replied 1914, Treaty of Versailles.

I suspect many Americans think WWII started on Dec. 7, 1941. 🙄

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Nice collateral shot at Americans. They certainly did nothing in WW II to justify having thoughts about it independent of Europeans /s/

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It's all the same warmongering barbarism ... rich old men regimenting and controlling young men through social conditioning to go off to war to keep their populations down and prevent them from demanding political rights. Basically breeding a different class of citizen to be workers, soldiers, and having mechanisms in place to keep them that way that they cannot perceive and do not expect in the context of their view of the universe. Patriotism and Religion, the Bible and the Flag.

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You are one confused leftist.

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