Can a new hire be fired for not meshing well with coworkers?
i.e. "not a good fit"? I.e. introvert in an office full of extroverts.share
i.e. "not a good fit"? I.e. introvert in an office full of extroverts.share
Why? What did Moviebuff2469 tell you was going on?share
Is it me or has he not been here a while?share
He seems to have disappeared, he popped up once or twice over the last couple weeks
Maybe he finally met his special Lady
I miss him, he sure beats some of the cranks and trolls we have just now🙄
I miss the guy too. He certainly sparked some crazy threads.share
I like taking a dig at him. He spiced this place up.share
Someone needs the stones to make up utterly stupid questions and post them without irony.
And I'll take this moment to comment I tried to post some - what I thought were - softball topics and people took a baseball bat to them. Crazy ! High heeled shoes, AAA batteries. Don't talk about these hot button issues !
And it's funny that we always took the bait and enjoyed taking the bait.share
These topics are only acceptable if you can turn them into a pun.share
I hope he returns, it's not the same without viewing his unique take on movies & life, even if I ignored half of the observations he made.share
Why do people smile and tell you to have a nice day? What do they know? What are they implying? I can see through the insincerity, I can literally smell the desperate need to valid their existence, and worse, they are clueless and old, which I can't stand.
Feel better now?
Nice attempt, but it's not quite the same.share
At least you got what I was going for.
I think the first thing I noticed was how much he hated his job, but it got weirder, and then every day would be a new dispatch from the Ville of Discontent.
I dunno, I thought he was quite poetic. If people are depressed then it's usually not helpful to criticize them for it.share
Good point, and I didn't do that at the time.
If I need to be thoughtful about non-participants who may still be lurking, I will have to factor that into my thinking.
I've had plenty of depressed episodes, so I'm no stranger. But I haven't made it public because I try to participate w/o the stigma of having to be patronized. I'm OK, You're OK, right?
I didn't pick up on the Depressed vibe. I need to think harder about this.
Maybe he's not. It's hard to tell on the internet. I guess when I see someone with a consistently negative outlook I tend to tread more cautiously. I don't think anyone likes to be patronized so I think you are wise not to do that. We never have any idea what is happening on the other side of the screen really, everyone is just doing their best.share
It shouldn't matter as long as they don't cause trouble and they get their job done. So what if they don't belong to the clique? What is this, junior high school?
I can't see this being legal.
sslssg is correct. In the absence of an employment contract (only a small percent of people have such a thing, like athletes and CEOs) a person in America can be fired for any reason, as long as it does not involve discrimination against a protected class. It's called employment-at-will doctrine. It may be quite different in other countries.share
But what if the new hire is "different" from the rest of the co-workers (i.e. introvert, race/gender, politics, religion)? The other staff members can gang up on the new hire to try to get him/her fired. Obviously, they can't say it out loud "We don't like that he's introverted, etc", because that can get them into trouble. But they will look for ways to get him/her fired. Or the boss may start to become overly critical of the new hire's work. I bet this happens all the time in real life to try to pressure the new hire to leave or get fired.share
As long as what you listed (introvert, race/gender, politics, religion) doesn't interfere with the work getting done, they have no grounds for dismissal. If an employee shows up for work on time, does their job, and doesn't cause trouble, then what's the problem?
As I said above, we are no longer in junior high school. Or maybe some people still are, if this is an issue.
but as many others siad above "a person in America can be fired for any reason"
Don't worry, Jason. Just do the best you can do and be an honest worker and no one will fire you.share
There's a probationary period which i think is 6 months fir a full time employee in England. Before this time period is up the employer can just get rid of you if it's not working out.share
> not a good fit"? I.e. introvert in an office full of extroverts.
As others have said, here in the USA most employees can be fired at any time. With that said, it would be very bad form to fire a new hire for this sort of reason. The new hire may have had other job offers he turned down in order to accept this job. Those other opportunities might no longer be available. By accepting the employer's offer he's made something of an investment in the employer.
But I've gotta say that firing someone for something like that would be wrong no matter how long the person had worked there. If the new (or old) hire was an ass, OK. But just for being a quiet guy in an office of party animals? Yeesh!
I resigned from a job once as I was threatened with dismissal for not fitting in with the group.
Let me run you through what happened.
Job - assistant - anti-money laundering department - financial institution - 6 month contract
Sounds good right?
Well I was just the office whip. File this. Get the mail. Update the spreadsheet.
It was pretty mind numbing.
It was a female boss, around 40, with a group of 4 others under her. She didn't like that I wasn't kissing her ass enough.
So she called a meeting and said 'you're not gelling, you take forever to file things, you had trouble updating a spreadsheet, we're used to temps (even though I wasn't a temp) saying 'That's done! What can I do next!' like I'd be excited.
I explained that her filing cabinet was too full and out of order, so I actually put things back in order. The spreadsheet had problems with names being spelled differently between documents. She said 'well we'll talk in 2 days but I'm thinking of giving you 2 weeks notice.'
So as it turned out, we were moving offices and I was tasked with packing boxes of files. I didn't sit down for 2 days.
She calls the meeting and says to me 'I think I've figured out what the problem is, you're lazy.' I said 'excuse me, but I haven't sat down in 2 days so the last thing you get to call me is lazy.' She paused and said 'that's true, maybe I mean you're mentally lazy'. I was shocked. I said to her 'well regardless of perceptions I'm getting the job done so if there is a problem with perception I guess that's your problem, not mine.' She was not happy. "My problem?" I said 'yes, you're the one calling these meetings.'
She said "well we'll talk in another 2 days, I'm still thinking of giving you 2 weeks notice.'
I came in the next day and resigned. I got paid out 2 weeks to leave that day.
Sounds like a shitty boss.share
She was! And she made the mistake of pushing for me to leave that day because her bosses said I had to write a letter of resignation. I wrote it and CCed the bosses and HR in, saying what a terrible boss she was and what a waste of company money paying someone to leave who was willing to work 2 weeks when they were busy trying to move offices.
Hopefully that stuck in their heads and when the financial crisis hit a year later (this was back in 2007) and people needed to be laid off, hopefully her name came to mind.
In most states now they can fire you for any reason. You can sue if you can prove your civil rights were violated ... like say they did it because you are a minority, or gay, or some other reason and then fire you for cause or not. It's confusing and political, but in general yes. Looking at your question, if you do not mesh well, that is most of any job - getting along with people.share