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Every musical generation suffered from sounding the same


I get that modern music gets crapped on a lot depending on the genre or artist.

But to be fair, everything sounds the same and always have. when my grandparents listen to their "golden oldies" music channel that covers the 50s, 60s and 70s. There is a very clear decadal sound to each, or at least a clear segmental generational grouping as one bands sound influences the whole genre. and they all end up sounding similar and generic.

and lets be honest their lyrics (with some exception) even for the greats, were hardly revolutionary or genius. theres a reason "baby" is the most used lyric in songs I believe, followed closely by love.

when watching a show like americas got talent my grandad complains "oh my god they all sound the same". then I ask him if he listens to his own music?

A lot of the greats weren't that great and for me this is epitomized in bruce Springsteen I know its subjective but Bruce Springsteen is downright horrible at times. Everything is about jersey, that girl you brought for a ride, the turnpike. Its all theatre, all energy, all bang, but really pretty generic lyrics about things he never experienced.

as one person said "it was blue collar music for white collared middle age men who never experienced any of it and take their Camaro out every Sunday to drive"

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I disagree.

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well by god I disagree to hell with your post but ill defend your right to say it

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Then we agree.

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be more irrational and say something controversial please! this is moviechat you are supposed to troll me

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Nope, life’s too short for fighting. I just disagree with anyone that feels that music from any era, modern or otherwise, sounds the same. Although there are instances where production technique or arrangement may tie an artist to a particular time period, there are so many sub-genres present in any given point in time that to state that, ‘they all sound the same’ is disingenuous at best.

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You can't claim to be VoiceofReason and drop something like this.

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hahah. Not saying its the case for every band. some are exception musicians who while borrowing (they all do) create a whole new style or new subgener.

that said us acting like this popification, generic lyrics, the new at the time becoming the norm and bland is something only "new music" suffers from.

the music industry didn't just start in the 2010s to disregard art and taken for making money.

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To me, anything past 2005 is generic.

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haha we all do it. even im like "nooo dr dre and old Eminem is the best rap most new stuff is trash"

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All music has defining characteristics. Take symphonic music, for example. There are certain qualities that identify a composition as belonging to the Baroque, Classical, or Romantic periods. The same applies to rock music. Each decade has a certain sound that has become associated with its era. Here's some generic observations about the decades of the 20th Century:
• 1950s - The birth of rock-and-roll. If you listen carefully, many of the songs have a simple 3-chord progression taken from blues music. Groups were small, consisting of guitar, bass and drums. Saxophones and pianos were a common addition to this core of instruments.
• 1960s - The early part of the decade was an extension of the 1950s until the British Invasion and psychedelic era. The music became more layered with the addition of horn and string sections.
• 1970s - Psychedelia evolved into progressive or art rock. The genre continued to split into different sounds like hard rock, Southern rock, pop rock, etc.
• 1980s - More sub-genres like "hair bands," Metal and synthesized pop dominated the playlists.
• 1990s - The synthesized sound died out as more bands returned to traditional acoustic and electric instruments. Alternative rock became prevalent.

As I said, these are only generic descriptions. But I think you can see what I'm driving at.

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Oh absolutely and im not musically knowledgable enough to have described it how you did.

but it seems to line up with what im saying. not that all bands sound the exact same from those eras, but there certainly is a sound to that era. Like I said when oldie after oldie plays I can tell they are from the same grouping.

my point though was that its silly for those to pretend (and ive done it myself with "my music is holier than thou's modern bands suck") that the 50's-late 80s was a golden ge of music of true artists and lyricists, and only now things have become generic with bad writing

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Yes, I can hardly tell the difference between the music of Guns N’ Roses and Rick Astley.

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I mean if that's sarcasm its still true today. there are wide variations its like saying "I can hardly tell the difference between the killers and Meghan the stallion".

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An Astley Guns N’ Roses mash up exists! Behold: https://youtu.be/KveAIZqWjG8

The Rickster does grunge: https://youtu.be/vZC_ByGjFW4

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Jesus! What sort of person sits there and thinks creating an unholy abomination like that is a good idea? Too much time on their hands 😆

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Theres loads of them!

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Yeah, mash ups are rarely a good idea.

That said, when it works, it can be quite wonderful. I think I prefer this over the original:

https://youtu.be/uDI-PCDL2G4

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You're asking for good lyrics in rock groups, and rock groups rarely had good lyrics. Lyrics were secondary. You want good lyrics, search among singer-songwriters. Check Leonard Cohen, for example.

Each genre has its own interests, and most of them don't care about lyrics. You check classical music, and you'll find that lyrics are extremely forgettable. Classical composers literally didn't give a shit about lyrics. The only classical genre that really cares about lyrics is Opera.

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absolutely. I meant more those people who are like "modern lyrics suck! its all about sex and not particularly creative! my generation used to listen to real music sorry what did you say? sorry let me turn down you shook me all night long."

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Most lyrics in history sucked.

That said, there's a problem with modern lyrics. But it's a matter of values portrayed in those lyrics. That's a different problem. "Sucking" is due to lack of quality or creativity... which is nothing new. The new problem in modern music is the message.

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I agree most did. I just think the romanticization of past music and those who are like "we made real music!" is undeserved.

Meh I mean what values? like 90% of songs are about love. the rest are hardly about living a moral life and the issues of being a Kantian vs a utilitarian.

even the songs about love, especially before strict censorship, was literally about sex.

https://youtu.be/ddcIunulJi4

the Mindbenders "grovey kind of love" from 1966 was all about sex. I mean due to changes in culture and rules are songs more vulgar and direct? sure! but that's a result of humans not being so oppressed and suppressed and having various influences and contributions other than the mainstream view of any given society.

I mean imagine all songs were about living an upper class life, married with kids, going to church every Sunday, and the dilemma of what color to paint the bathroom.

im glad we have a lot more views in music and types to enjoy. although im not a fan of most country (except older stuff) but that's because I feel the genre has stagnated to such a massive point that all they can do is lazily hit all the cliched tropes and symbols of the genre (tractor, tailgate, driving whisky, going to the city, backroads, trucks). and they put in so little effort now they dont even bother to rhyme..... I mean that's not a rule, but it sure helps when you do and are creative about it. Now they dont even try.

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Of course lots of lyrics were about sex. But it was a much more heartwarming view of sex. Most of sex comedies during the 60s could perfectly be labeled as feel-good comedies. Sex was celebrated as a part of life, of human nature, as something beautiful.

Right now, lyrics are mostly ghetto songs.

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" it was a much more heartwarming view of sex. Most of sex comedies during the 60s could perfectly be labeled as feel-good comedies. Sex was celebrated as a part of life, of human nature, as something beautiful.

in 60s america?! not that I know of bu I could be totally wrong. the 60s was obviously an improvement but I still think of it as some corny sex jokes but still some pretty bad stereopes of both men, women and marriage in general.

if sex was celebrated it was in the context of a man and woman in a marriage for life. with the often erratic emotional and irrational air headed woman with the more rational if strict and stoic man.

English tv was pretty damn progressive and im thinking more like "have you been served" which actually showed some pretty non generic roles and even a gay person. of course this wasnt til 1972.

im not saying all and every were like this. but I feel like you are doing to 60s tv what im saying people are doing to 60s music. romancing and reimagine it as something it never was.

I mean the first interracial kiss on us television didn't come til 1968. ill agree it was a great "heartwarming view of sex. (with) Sex was celebrated as a part of life, of human nature, as something beautiful." as long as it was in the context of a white, straight couple with clear gender roles and lots of stereotypes (against men too)


"Right now, lyrics are mostly ghetto songs."

oh and the true colours start to come out... those "damn blacks and their ghetto music" right? I wasnt fishing for this but I knew one of you guys wouldn't be able to hold back.

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It depends, I think there used to be a lot more "diversity" in genres than there is now. Look at the 1970's for example, Led Zep, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Kiss, Jethro Tull, AC/DC to name a few they all sound very different. Same with the Beatles and the Stones very different.

From about the late 90's onward though you start getting a sameness. Nickleback, Daughtry, Creed, Matchbox 20, Good Charlotte, 3 Doors Down etc Same with pop music modern R&B or whatever they call it now all sounds the same, rap is all the same. So many of the songs are written by the same people too which doesn't help.

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Diversity is still out there but it’s no longer mainstream, so many genres no longer get airplay or trend, the singles charts are very samey these days, just look at the top 40 of the 80’s, in Europe it was more diverse than is often remembered.

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Even the acts of the same genre in the 80's could be quite different from each other. Sites like Youtube can help uncover a lot of different types of music or takes on existing genre's. The mainstream is terrible as you say. The bean counters have taken over the creative process and so now we get a non stop run of Beyonce's etc

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In the U.S. the problem began with a change in Federal Communications Commission (FCC) laws. The restriction on how many radio stations one entity could own was loosened. In simple English this meant the same number of stations but fewer owners. This led to more restrictive playlists.

The FCC site explains current ownership rules, if anyone is interested:
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/fccs-review-broadcast-ownership-rules

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I completely disagree... There was SO many kinds of different music in the 50-70s.. Not only rhythms, but melodies, chord structures.. Rock, Jazz, Classical, Blues, Folk, Latin, Reggae, Eastern influence, bossa nova, Ska, R&B, Big Band Bebop, Samba, Country, etc...... and also the production (which is usually disregarded).

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but those still all exist and arguably, not because they are good, but because as time goes on music gets more and more subgenres, there are more today than ever.

I didn't mean to say (if I gave that impression) that there was no diversity in music before.

I was commenting more on our human tendency to think what we grew up on was somehow the best and never replicated again and anything after it was trash. when in fact if you go back to these "golden ages" they were just as generic as now

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I HATE the music being made when I was alive... I like my parents' era of music, and some of my grandparent's music.

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If you're not interested in a music it's going to sound the same. This is nothing new. Most people lose interest in finding new music at a point relatively early in their lives. This is nothing new.

And the same ramblings about music come out from every generation. yadda. yadda. yadda.

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