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Many front-line workers refuse Covid vaccines

posted 3 years ago by BillHicksFan (10100)
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-frontline-workers-refuse-covid-201555764.html

A large percentage of front-line workers in hospitals and nursing homes have refused to take the Covid-19 vaccine, a hurdle for public health officials as the country struggles to roll out inoculations around the country.

About 50 percent of front-line workers in California’s Riverside County have refused to take the vaccine, Riverside Public Health Director Kim Saruwatari told The Los Angeles Times on Thursday. California is currently overwhelmed with cases as hospital staff in Southern California face a shortage of intensive-care units and have created makeshift units.

Anecdotally, an estimated 60 percent of Ohio nursing home employees have refused the vaccine already, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said during a news briefing Wednesday.

A survey of 2,053 New York City firefighters found that more than half said they would refuse the Covid-19 vaccine when it became available to them, according to a poll released by the Uniformed Firefighters Association this month.

I know three nurses, and NONE of them will take it. One said she'll take it if they make her, and one said she'll quit, because she takes medication and says she knows the vaccine will have a ton of side effects, and how many will take years to discover. She went on to say (some which I didn't understand) how and why those side effects won't have symptoms.

[–] aliensalmon (5094) 3 years ago

Dang. Stuff like this complicates things for herd immunity....

[–] BillHicksFan (10100) 3 years ago

On another site, this front-line worker just said (2 minutes ago)
"Two of my coworkers took the vaccine and then tested COVID positive a week later."

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

that's not unexpected at all.

the pfizer vaccine takes two weeks to have the protective effect.
it's probably the same for moderna.

so for two weeks after getting the shot, you still have to take a lot of care.

you'll find the chart showing the vaccine taking effect after two weeks in figure 3 in this link:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

from the new york times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/health/covid-vaccine-side-effects.html

Vaccines Take a While to Kick In. Experts Say That Means the Body Is Doing Its Job.

Reports of Covid-19 cases that appeared shortly after a single shot of a two-dose vaccine shouldn’t cause concern.

A flurry of headlines this week flooded social media, documenting a seemingly concerning case of Covid-19 in a San Diego nurse who fell ill about a week after receiving his first injection of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine.

But experts said the sickness is nothing unexpected: The protective effects of vaccines are known to take at least a couple of weeks to kick in. And getting sick before completing a two-dose vaccine regimen, they said, should not undermine the potency of Pfizer’s product, which blazed through late-stage clinical trials with flying colors.

[–] jonathan_k80 (6436) 3 years ago

You are not fully immune until two weeks after the second shot.

[–] PaladinNJ (20309) 3 years ago

The way vaccines work, wouldn't you expect to test positive? Your body is building antibodies to the virus and that's what the tests are looking for.

[–] jriley555 (7048) 3 years ago

basically, yeah. what you are actually building antipbodies to are (for the mRNA vaccines) a small piece of the virus - but that will trigger an immune response additionally to the actual virus -which is, of course, the point.

[–] Matildawormwood (1545) 3 years ago

Are they Trump supporters? Probably eh?? Smh

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Yeah, like all the rabid white supremacists I see down at the mall who won't wear a mask even as there's a state wide mandate to do so.... [rolling eyes]

The old playbook is worn out. The problems with the public goes well beyond the political asshattery you're spreading but I'm guessing that you wouldn't know what to think if you couldn't suck at the nut sack of your favorite political ideology. Some people look for solutions, some people look for excuses.

[–] BillHicksFan (10100) 3 years ago

(oh geez)

[–] [email protected] (5497) 3 years ago

Well, well Matilda...Not surprising that a dipsh@t like you would still be blaming Trump supporters. LOL

I haven't gotten it and I won't for the simple reason that I do NOT trust drugs that are hurried out in less than a year. Normally new drugs are tested and researched for years and still they are sometimes recalled for side effects.

But by all means, go get the vaccine. I'm sure you feel safe and secure. You voted for Grandpa Joe, so it's doubtful that you are scared of much!

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

trump got the vaccine

[–] Matildawormwood (1545) 3 years ago

First of all, Covid isn't going to sit on its butt and wait patiently for 5-10 years until a vaccine is developed to fit your comfort.

Secondly, literally everything the human species puts in their body is potentially harmless in the long run.

I don't see many anti vaxxers chanting about give up alcohol drinks, smoking, drugs, saturated fatty foods, sugary drinks like soda, caffeine, etc. All of the above have been proven for decades to slowly damage ones health. If you're THAT fearful of poisoning your body, I strongly suggest going on a diet of only bread and water lol.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Your suggestion sucks. Bread is a terrible excuse for nutrition. Anyone with more than a half a brain knows this.

[–] Matildawormwood (1545) 3 years ago

My point that I'm making to Purple exactly! Everything that goes into the mouth of humans can be potentially harmful to their health. Especially if it's not done in moderation.

People have allergic reactions to chocolate, peanuts, and pollen all the time. Where's all the protestor's chanting to their community to ban, chocolate, peanut butter, and planting flowers in their gardens? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

I haven't seen anyone wanting to ban the vaccine outright. You're talking about a new vaccine that is unlike anything anyone has distributed before. People are cautious. Some with good reason while I think a lot are being dopes about it. Your method of brining light to this issue really isn't helping.

[–] [email protected] (5497) 3 years ago

I was hoping that the election of Grandpa Joe would help you calm down and stop talking like a dipsh@t. I see my hopes were futile! lol

You folks have a label for everyone, now it's "antivaxxer". How cooool!!!

Comparing a new, relatively untested drug to food, caffeine, alcohol, etc. is an apple and oranges argument. (both by the way are good for you and I eat them both).

You "don't see many anti-vaxxers chanting...". So just how many HAVE you seen chanting? Where is the logic in your argument? Rhetorical question. I rarely see any logic in your arguments.

By saying that I won't get the COVID shot (not technically a vaccine), I am NOT suggesting that everyone smoke , drink and do drugs. Duh! I hate smoking. I never have used illegal drugs and I gave up drinking soda decades ago. There are lots of poisons out there and taking an untested drug seems like a bad idea to me.

I have not suggested to anyone to NOT get the shot. Many people have told me that they got their shot or are going to get it.. I just smile. I offer no advice to them. If they ask me if I've had my shot, I only reply, "Not yet" which is true.

My "comfort" has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a safe drug will be created. But I am uncomfortable with the idea of how sheep like the citizens have become and willingly submit to an untested drug. Every week there's news about serious side effects, blood clots, etc., from this so called vaccine. But again, if it makes you feel safe, by all means, get the shot.

[–] moviechatterer (13270) 3 years ago

I haven't gotten it and I won't for the simple reason that I do NOT trust drugs that are hurried out in less than a year. Normally new drugs are tested and researched for years and still they are sometimes recalled for side effects.

it might have been "hurried" but it had the resorces and backing of the entiore worlds scientific community.
Its probably been tested more than a normal drug gets in 5 years.
I admit the "test of time" , hasnt fully happened .. but what choice have we got?
Let the virus run wild and kill millions more?
Refusing to take the vaccine is like refusing to get in a lifeboat on the titanic because it doesent look safe.

Are you going to agree to self isolate for the next 10 years as someone unvaccinated ,
or are you going to expect to join the rest of us in restaurats, cinemas and other public venues?

[–] [email protected] (5497) 3 years ago

"Self isolate"? I will "self isolate" when Grandpa Joe shuts down our southern border and does not allow of stream of untested and unmasked illegals to stream into out country.

I wear a mask whenever I go in a public place like a store or library. I don't go to the cinema. I haven't gone in years because I think most movies are overpriced crap as far as I am concerned. I buy DVDs of films I want to see and watch them in the privacy of my home. So don't worry. I won't be breathing on you in the theater!

[–] joi2049 (5488) 3 years ago

On the news they just showed a MAP of the US where it illustrates how those who live in the SOUTHERN STATES (TX and FL not included) are the AREAS where most people REFUSE to be VACCINATED.

In other words, your remark about BIDEN SHUTTING DOWN the BORDERS that surround the SOUTHERN STATES sounds like a pretty good idea.

Because they also discussed how the FAMILY of the guy who RUNS the PROPAGANDA channel moved DOWN UNDER (where no one needs to wear MASKS due to the way that country had VERY STRICT LOCKDOWNS which prevented them from dealing with the kind of SPREAD of the VIRUS that we've had HERE in this country).

And what that means is ANTI VAX people have also fallen for the FAKE NEWS that's being fed to them by that FAMILY that has FLED from this country.

And that also means that you should be more concerned about that FAMILY and the NETWORK they run that are feeding YOU LIES than you should be concerned about what you see as illegals who stream into the country.

🙄

[–] [email protected] (5497) 3 years ago

Wow! Is your mask interfering with your breathing? Your post reads like someone who is oxygen deprived.

PROPAGANDA channel? I guess you mean FOX, right? Sorry to disappoint you but I haven't seen Fox News or any TV news channel for about a year and a half. I cancelled my cable. It's another topic. Mostly I got sick of paying for hours of stupid advertising just for the privilege of watching a few shows.

I don't need the influence of any talking heads on any news program to fill my head with propaganda. I learned long ago that the "news" outlets create what they consider news rather than report it.

And btw, I don't "see" people as illegals. They are coming in illegally and haven't been tested for the virus nor are they wearing masks. American citizens are being labeled and ostracized and illegals are given bus tickets to travel the USA and settle where they may. I don't need network news shows to know a screwed up immigration "policy" when I see it!

[–] joi2049 (5488) 3 years ago

YOU:

You folks have a label for everyone, now it's "antivaxxer". How cooool!!!
I am uncomfortable with the idea of how sheep like the citizens have become and willingly submit to an untested drug. Every week there's news about serious side effects,

moviechatterer:

it had the resorces and backing of the entiore worlds scientific community.
Its probably been tested more than a normal drug gets in 5 years.
what choice have we got?
Let the virus run wild and kill millions more?
Refusing to take the vaccine is like refusing to get in a lifeboat on the titanic because it doesent look safe.

Me:

ANTI VAX people have also fallen for the FAKE NEWS that's being fed to them by that FAMILY that has FLED

NOTE 📌 the way no one said that "YOU" were one of them, but YOU did also say that "EVERY WEEK there's NEWS about SERIOUS SIDE EFFECTS." And what the NEWS tells us is only 1 in a MILLION gets a clot condition that usually effects 4 or 5 people the same way even without them having had a vaccine.

But I also completely agree with you about the HIGH COST of CABLE TV.

Anyhow, many ANTI VAX-ers also claim that their LIBERTIES are being INFRINGED UPON by being told they need to wear a MASK, get vaccinated, etc.

So let me ask you this. WHY do they consider LIBERTY to be MORE IMPORTANT to them than their LIFE??? What good is LIBERTY going to do them if they CATCH COVID and DIE from it -- because of their REFUSAL to get vaccinated -- which could also help to prevent that from happening to them???

💉

[–] [email protected] (5497) 3 years ago

I just have to ask...who exactly is the "family that has fled"? I seriously don't know who that is.

Well, we all take our chances after we listen to the experts. For me, I'm not taking a chance on blood clots or any of the other side effects which I have heard about. If others want to take the shot, that's their business.

Let me ask YOU, why are you so willing to give up your liberties? I cherish my liberties as part of my LIFE. If a person is so quick to give up his liberties because the government tells him to...well, I worry for that person.

I don't want to be a total jerk about this COVID thing, so I mask up whenever I am in public. I've never had the flu and it's been years since I had a cold. But who knows? I don't want to infect anyone if I am a secret carrier. But I draw the line at the government telling me that I HAVE to take a shot of whatever stuff they want to inject into my body.

Feminists always chant the mantra, "My body, my choice."

aside from COVID, I see we agree about the high cost of cable! I'm building up my own library of TV shows and films. Cable is a joke, an expensive joke!

[–] joi2049 (5488) 3 years ago

The MURDOCK FAMILY who runs the PROPAGANDA channel that tries to PRETEND it's a NEWS channel has FLED DOWN UNDER and lives there because they don't run the same risk of catching the COVID virus there in AUSSIE LAND where they have it under control.

In other words, the FAMILY that FEEDS the US population with ANTI MASK and ANTI VACCINE propaganda, also LEFT the country due to the LIES and other MISINFORMATION they're responsible for which has also made them feel it's no longer SAFE for them to live here anymore.

If you get the MODERNA or PFIZER VACCINE there's also NO BLOT CLOT issue. Because that's only happened with the J&J vaccine (which is also manufactured differently and doesn't use RNA). Instead J&J uses a dead cold virus (like a FLU VIRUS does).

If others want to take the shot, that's their business.

And when you refuse to be VACCINATED, then that also makes it the BUSINESS of others who can CATCH the VIRUS from you. Just like other KIDS are also FORCED to be vaccinated for MEASLES and MUMPS before they can attend school (so that they don't infect other kids or your own kids with it if they're not VACCINATED).

So by getting VACCINATED one isn't GIVING UP one's LIBERTY -- but is being a GOOD CITIZEN -- by doing what is necessary to PROTECT both one's own LIBERTY and the LIBERTIES of others -- which are not PROTECTED if you refuse -- but become RESTRICTED with LOCKDOWNS and SHUTDOWNS -- where one is only allowed to go out of one's home to go GET GROCERIES.

And those who refuse the VACCINE are leading us right back again into that kind of a situation again, where MARSHALL LAW will keep us LOCKED UP inside of our own homes again (as if we were prisoners who'd done something wrong).

That's also the reason why one said the ANTI VAC ATTITUDES are SELFISH.

Because the GOVERNMENT has also already been insisting for MANY YEARS now that KIDS and other ADULTS MUST get VACCINATED for other DISEASES before they can attend SCHOOL or travel over seas as a way to PROTECT themselves and others from getting sick.

Which is also the reason why not wanting to be PROTECTED from a VIRUS that can KILL YOU makes NO SENSE whatsoever.

Because what good does your "so called" LIBERTY do you if your DEAD???

🙄

[–] moviechatterer (13270) 3 years ago

I wear a mask whenever I go in a public ...... So don't worry. I won't be breathing on you in the theater!

so thats pretty much a yes then?

I'm the same with dvds, but my example list was meant to convey ALL public gatherings
bars ,restaurants, the beach , buses , trains , underground , airports , planes
partys, funerals , busness meetings , your office , weddings , Doctor appointments ,
Gym , cafes , hotel lobbys , theatre ,barber shop , nail salon
etc ad infinitum

as long as you wear a mask at all times until the threat is gone (could be ten years) , i guess people cant moan so much about you refusing vax

except your dentist maybe

[–] [email protected] (5497) 3 years ago

I guess it's a yes, depending upon the question! No to the vaccine, yes to wearing a mask.

I don't go to bars. I live way too far from the beach. Actually I haven't gone swimming in public places in years. I confined my swim time to my sister's pool. There's hardly any public transportation in this small town. But if I did use it, I'd mask up. I never went to a nail salon. I do my own nails.

I wear a mask to church. It's required in our church. But some churches don't make you wear one. Might be an excuse to change religion. ha!

Dentist? That reminds me. I need to make an appointment.

[–] TimMC (9143) 3 years ago

Calm down.

[–] 102000 (6128) 3 years ago

I live in Ohio and I hope all who refuse the vaccine only means I will get it faster.

[–] mikethemartian (6062) 3 years ago

That’s my philosophy. On the news they keep talking about what needs to be done to convince people to take it. I say skip them and give it to the people who want it.

[–] 102000 (6128) 3 years ago

Yep.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

and there is this pharmacist from Wisconsin who deliberate destroyed 500 vaccines.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/01/this-pharmacist-was-arrested-after-hundreds-of-covid-19-vaccine-doses-were-destroyed/

[–] 102000 (6128) 3 years ago

Sicko.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Fuck 'em. Let those of us who are willing to take it now do so and let the others wait around until either they get sick from it, die or decide later to get on board. There's more than enough willing participants today to not worry about the naysayers. Maybe some just want to see what happens to the early adopters, maybe some aren't convinced but would come around with improved results. Who knows? Maybe there are legitimate concerns but with those numbers it would be hard for me to understand what it could be.

[–] jriley555 (7048) 3 years ago

there are no objective legitimate concerns that i know of. vaccines are nothing new. if anything, the microtargeting of the mRNA viruses are safer than the normal kind.

when you weigh the microscopic risk of a vaccine against the macroscopic risk of Covid, not to mention the follow-on risk of infecting others most likely those you love, it should be a no-brainer.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

[–] Mrmojo4700 (20438) 3 years ago

Around 50 % of the dip shits around here refuse to wear a mask in public, so that really doesn’t surprise me.

[–] Artisan (3464) 3 years ago

I still can't get my head around how many American's are crowding into airports and travelling all over the country and spreading it.

[–] plusplus (467) 3 years ago

Do they have an infinite amount of money to pay the fines each time?

[–] Mrmojo4700 (20438) 3 years ago

What fines?

[–] plusplus (467) 3 years ago

Not wearing a mask in public (or at least some defined places) lands you a hefty fine in most countries (some demand FFP2/KN95). Endangerment of others is not a cheap thing to do. Is it different in the US?

[–] Mrmojo4700 (20438) 3 years ago

Here in Louisiana I do not think there are any such fines.

[–] chilone (17262) 3 years ago

I don't know where you live but here I see VERY few people not wearing masks in public places. I also se morons wearing them when they're ALONE in their cars.

[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 3 years ago

I always get a laugh out of that. Always the same kind of stickers on those cars.

The other day I saw a guy out on a hiking trail far far away with a mask on. Not a soul within a half mile. I could see the surgical mask on him from my distant vantage point. Usually the hikers pull on a mask when they approach each other (some don't and it doesn't bother me one bit). Out in nature. Wearing his mask. Obeying the law.

[–] Artisan (3464) 3 years ago

I would totally understand refusing it in America, there doesn't seem to be a lot of concern for the side effects of things over there and there isn't much of a support network if things do go wrong once having had it.

I'm in Australia, we have stricter protocols and rules down here regarding medications and many other things. I would be open to a vaccine but would still approach it cautiously.

[–] jriley555 (7048) 3 years ago

the vaccine is safer in Australia than the US ? please expound.

[–] Kowalski (57867) 3 years ago

A COUPLE YEARS FROM NOW EVERYONE WHO TOOK THE VACCINE WILL HAVE SPACE AIDS AND BE HUNGRY FOR HUMAN FLESH...AND THOSE WHO DIDNT TAKE IT WILL BE FIGHTING FOR SURVIVAL.🤔

[–] Mrmojo4700 (20438) 3 years ago

Hugo Stiglitz did not take the vaccine.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9FtlYsEcdtE

[–] 102000 (6128) 3 years ago

I'd rather be the predator than the prey.