I don't, but apparently many people are calling for it to be changed because its all of a sudden offensive. People have lost their damn minds.
shareI'm deeply offended on behalf of numerous people that I don't know and will never meet.
sharei find the disembodied arm silly
shareIts the state military crest. The bent arm is holding a broadsword aloft. The sword has its blade up, to remind that it was through the American Revolution that liberty was won. The sword itself is a copy of one belonging to Myles Standish and signifies the philosophy that one would rather lose their right arm than live under tyranny.
shareI’m offended on behalf of Simpsons characters!
shareIf people find that and other things that are part of our history offensive, they should just move to some other country.
shareJust because it's "history" doesn't mean it's not offensive.
American history includes:
*bombing of Pearl Harbor
*lynchings
*genocide
*Americans of Japanese, German & Italian descent placed in internment camps
*slavery
*arresting women for teaching wives pregancy prevention
I wasn't saying that. It's more people wanting to get rid of all confederate statues and statues of Christopher Colombus that bothers me. And other things like that. I can understand getting rid of Confederate statues in Southern cities but I think the ones that are at the many Civil War battlefields should remain.
sharePublic statues are to show honor and respect.
Confederates who seceded and tried to destroy the U.S. as well as supported slavery and the torture and subjugation of millions of people don't deserve admiration.
Columbus chopped off the hands of Indians who didn't meet his brutal gold-gathering quota, decimated their population, bragged about profiting off of 13-year-old girls sold as sex slaves and was instrumental in the beginning of the African slave trade by Europeans. Nothing to admire. And no, he wasn't the first European in the Americas.
These statues should be in museums and their history taught in schools so future generations always know.
Regardless of how you feel about Christopher Colombus he did prove the Earth wasn't flat. Also there are offensive things in our country but you can't single out just confederates for being racist bigots. Some people in the union army were just as racist. Ulysis S. Grant owned Slaves. And there is the fact that Kentucky and Missouri had slaves and were part of the union. So I guess by your standard there should be no statues of people on the union side either.
shareHe did not prove the Earth was flat. That's an old myth.
Nevertheless, the Union was fighting to end slavery and keep the United States whole. The traitors aka: Confederates attacked and tried to destroy the United States. They are the enemies of the United States and humanity.
Actually there were people in the north who weren't fighting to end slavery. Kentucky and Missouri were both slave states and were in the union. And there were some who didn't want the slaves free for fear of said freed slaves getting jobs in factories and losing their jobs in that process.
shareYou're trying to deflect. The point is that Confederates don't deserve admiration and their statues need to come down.
Flag of Treason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFQAYjzLz-c
The Indians themselves were nothing to admire either, yet they are sweet innocent victims in your eyes...have you not read about their past atrocities or their treatment of their own women? You can go through every group of people hundreds of years ago and compare them poorly according to the over the top sensitivities of 2020.
You are the most brutally annoying poster on Moviechat. I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with another human being more than you. You have a problem with EVERYTHING in human history, and EVERYTHING happening today.
You obviously hate this country, and you really should move to another that fits your values more, and try to find happiness.
"other people have done bad things too" is no kind of retort or counter argument or indeed adds anything to Kelais point.
The point , in case you missed it , is that we shouldnt be celebrating the darkest aspects of our past and honouring the perpetrators with statues in public places .
I could reinforce this point further with examples of bad things , or analgies woth putting stues up tfor criminals , but that would push your patriot buttons , that already seem to be well pushed.
Also if you love this country so much, why are you doint the same as Kelai and bring ing up past atrocities , but in your case , of the Infians? are they not part of your country?
My point is people like you can find something wrong with EVERY person, EVERY statue, and EVERY thing in the world and find a reason to tear it down. No person with a statue is perfect. They all have flaws. But all you want to do apparently is tear down statues. We wouldn’t have any statues of anything if people like you ran the world. You would probably have people arrested for any word you find offensive too.
Did you know MLK cheated on his wife? Should we ban anything ever related to him? Of course not.
People like you and Keelai...EVERYTHING offends you. You want EVERYTHING banned, all the way down to pancake syrup. You have to be the worst kind of people to talk to at a party, because you’re probably lecturing every person who tells a joke, and have a snobby reply to any comment anyone makes.
You can’t seem to understand that people behaved differently hundreds of years ago, and think everyone should have acted like it’s 2020, the era of the sensitive offended crybabies. History doesn’t work like that. That doesn’t mean you erase everyone who’s accomplished something or sacrificed something from history.
I hope the flag stays right where it is, if only to keep bothering the “offended” brigade. Get a life.
Not sure what your rant has to do with the Massachusetts State flag. The severed arm itself is offensively gruesome. Time to improve the flag.
https://changethemassflag.com/
Who’s now being offended by the bombing of Pearl Harbor for God’s sake?
shareYes, I find the lack of symmetry very offensive.
shareImmediately, I found the severed arm with the sword to be gruesome. Then, I googled what the issue was.
"...Colonial broadsword suspended over the head of a Native American man."
It's basically glorifying the destruction of Native-Americans by Europeans so it is offensive.
It's 2020! Can we finally learn to show Native-Americans respect?
Shut the hell up already! NO normal person is looking at that flag and thinking "wow! that sword sure speaks of and glorifies the destruction of native Americans!!" NO ONE!!!
shareWRONG!
https://changethemassflag.com/
Like I said, no NORMAL person.
shareA Native-American living in Mass. has more rights to complain than anyone else.
Case closed.
Like I said, NORMAL people. Not kook fringe, leftist extremist, hate mongers, like you.
Case closed.
Funny how you spew hatred by name-calling and you believe I'm the hatemonger. Obviously, you're projecting!
You also watch too much Fox TV since you're repeating their tiresome bigotry.
You believe only YOUR viewpoint is important and not Native-Americans. How entitled of you!
I don't watch Fox and if anyone wants to see all of your hate and vitriol, all they have to do is look at all that you spew in the politics cesspit where you belong.
shareYou're in the politics cesspit with me! Like I wrote, you're projecting.
Nothing hateful about saying Native-Americans should be respected. More projection from you. Change the Mass. flag. I'll assume you're not in a happy place.
No, I'm not in the politics cesspit. I left that sewer a long time ago. You're absolutely right. There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying Native Americans should be respected. They most definitely should be. None of that detracts from the FACT that you're a hateful, angry, vitriol spewing person who spews that stuff daily, here on MC and probably IRL. Happy place? Lol!! I engage life daily, with a joy and thankfulness that I doubt you've ever experienced.
shareRespect is a verb which requires more than lip service. Obviously, if Native-Americans in Mass. find the flag which features them offensive, then it should be changed out of respect.
You think the world revolves around you. According to you, people are not "NORMAL" unless they hold your world view while engaging in a subject you don't like is a cesspit. I doubt if you're in a happy place.
It's a no from me too.
Seems absolutely NO ONE is offended by it here. Would it be too much for me to ask who the "many people are calling for it to be changed" are? This just looks like another thread where we are told that people are outraged over something trivial but there's no sign of anyone who can back it up.
"Look at those stupid lefties, always complaining about something" except no, it's YOU complaining about something we just have to take your word for that people are upset over.
It's getting so tedious.
Put a white man on the flag and watch their little racist bastards heads explode.
Fuck SJWs.