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Why is everything so polarized now? No balance or middle ground to anything


Politics, culture, society, personal values. Everyone now clings to one extreme or the other, with very few falling in the middle of the spectrum. It really shows how stupid most people are, even those you previously had respect for. Social media has really shown how bad this has gotten.

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Says the guy that wants to throat punch everyone, lol.

Seriously though, you’re right about polarisation and it does get boring.

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Well, we should start throat punching polarizing people. That should teach them a lesson!

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Two words.

Polarization Industry.

Back not so long ago, there was a rule that news companies would have to give equal time to Democrats and Republicans. This rule was abolished in the 1980's.

The Polarization Industry evolved when news media companies found that RATINGS were better created to cater to ones viewpoint and make fun of or better yet outrage the viewer with far leaning radical viewpoints from the other side.

The results you are seeing today.

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Ratings and ad revenue are more important than responsible reporting. And the audiences don't want Walter Cronkite, they want Jerry Springer.

Don Henley addressed this back in 1982, in the song "Dirty Laundry":
I make my living off the evening news.
Just give me something,
Something I can use.
People love it when you lose.
They love dirty laundry.

Well, I coulda been an actor
But I wound up here.
I just have to look good
I don't have to be clear.
Come and whisper in my ear,
Give us dirty laundry.

Kick 'em when they're up!
Kick 'em when they're down!
Kick 'em when they're up!
Kick 'em when they're down!

Kick 'em when they're up!
Kick 'em when they're down!
Kick 'em when they're up!
Kick 'em all around!

We got the bubble-headed
Bleached blonde,
Comes on at five.
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash
With a gleam in her eye.
It's interesting when people die,
Give us dirty laundry.

Can we film the operation?
Is the head dead yet?
You know the boys in the newsroom
Got a running bet.
Get the widow on the set,
We need dirty laundry.

You don't really need to find out
What's going on.
You don't really want to know
Just how far it's gone.
Just leave well enough alone.
Eat your dirty laundry.

Kick 'em when they're up!
Kick 'em when they're down!
Kick 'em when they're up!
Kick 'em when they're down!

Kick 'em when they're up!
Kick 'em when they're down!
Kick 'em when they're stiff!
Kick 'em all around!

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're stiff)
(Kick 'em all around)

Dirty little secrets,
Dirty little lies.
We got our dirty little fingers
In everybody's pie.
We love to cut you down to size,
We love dirty laundry.

We can do the innuendo,
We can dance and sing.
When it's said and done
We haven't told you a thing.
We all know that crap is king.
Give us dirty laundry.

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It's because the Left has politicized everything, and they're full of hate. They're the second largest hate group in the world, second only to Radical Islamic Terrorists.

😎

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What exactly defines the middle ground here? What's a middle position on something in particular?

Everyone just thinks they're "centrists" - even the bat-shit crazy, racist, Covid denying skinheads think they're balanced.
And how did that happen? How have standards become so degraded that extremes are now accepted and treated as a normal side of debate?

That's because the most privileged among us, those with the least at stake, simply expect the "dirty" less-privileged "rabble" to be respectful and accomdating no matter how far the right sinks into depravity and authoritarianism. For what the "centrists" see as a greater threat is their own loss of exclusive privilege and status.

You have police forces that functions as a protection racket for the rich; for generations having brutalized minorities and feed them into the private prison-industrial complex.
You have police departments, such as that in Minneapolis, exposed for not solving any real crimes and amassing decades of untested rape kits that sat in cold storage because they believed their role was not to solve crime, but to enforce their bigoted authority upon the poor and minorities.
You have entire police departments infiltrated by White Supremacists according to FBI and criminal investigative reports.

You have the highest incarceration rate and the grossest inequality in the developed world; your health care system lags behind 3rd world nations, and you have one of the highest infant mortality rates and deaths from preventable causes in the developed world.
You cling to your military grade firearms and see them as more important than protecting your children from being used as target practice

You have peaceful protesters being murdered and journalists being attacked - all encouraged by the Orange laughing stock of the world who thinks a plaque that is killing you all is an exaggerated hoax.
You have his terrorist supporters preying upon the population and committing acts of violence on a monthly basis.

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And with all that, "centrists" want to sit in their ivory towers, tsk-tsking, signaling their goodness and scolding everyone for simply not being nicer as the whole country burns below them.

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You are the type of polarizer that the OP is talking about. People who deal in extremist views hate centrists.

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Right on! That was a very disturbing read...

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Care to prove my "disturbing read" wrong??

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That won't be possible, since I guess that we're dealing with opinions rather than facts.
Let's just say that I'm a Trump supporter, so there will be no common ground between us.

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Yah Trump deals with facts and I deal in opinion. 😅

And slavery is freedom, war is peace, and the sky is purple.

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I never said that, only that we will hardly find any common ground about this.

And I think this discussion proves how hard it is to be "a centrist" about plenty of things.
For example, nobody seems to be neutral about Trump.

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Everyone just thinks they're "centrists" - even the bat-shit crazy, racist, Covid denying skinheads think they're balanced.


No, they don't, and this is a lie that extremists have started peddling about centrists in order to dismiss the middle ground.

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And again, what middle ground is that exactly? Which one of the facts and positions that I stated above happen to be radical now?? Please tell...

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One of the things that I find annoying is when people argue that there are no clear-cut rules, definition, etc. about certain things. It's like when people say stuff like, "Oh, how do we know what's wrong or right? How do we get to define what reality is?"

This is nonsense. I am a centrist, and the middle ground is very clear from where I and others stand. It's anyone who doesn't hold an extremist point of view and tries to strike a balance between both sides of a contentious issue.

For example, a centrist would 100% be against police brutality but at the same time would also be against using violence and rioting to protest against it.

Another example: a centrist would be pro-abortion but would also stress other means to avoid unwanted pregnancy or suggest adoption as an alternative to abortion.

A third example: a centrist would be 100% against animal cruelty when it comes to animal consumption but wouldn't be against eating meat and would suggest more humane ways of killing animals for food.

That's what a centrist is. It's a person who recognizes that not everything is strictly black and white, either/or. Extremists don't understand this type of balance and so therefore will argue that it's this amorphous, vague thing that no one can get a handle on and therefore should be dismissed as a point of view.

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Well put.

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Yes a balanced person would recognise that rioting and destruction is not the answer to police brutality so where did I ever suggest that I was for it? 🤔

But also, a truly balanced person would recognise the root causes of looting and vandalism, and would not use looting and vandalism to diverty attention from the need to reform.
They would also recognise that the majority of protests have been peaceful, and wouldn't be spending all their time engaging in White Paternalistic finger-shaking over broken windows, while deflecting attention away from police brutality and far right extremists - as so many self-labeled "moderates" do.

Your second example is ridiculously bogus.
Pro-abortionists have always stressed contraception and education in combating unwanted pregnancies - unlike anti-abortion conservatives.
What the hell do you think left leaning pro-abortionists engage in politically? Do you think they campaign on: "fuck education and contraception; just go out and have sex and if you get knocked up then just get rid of it - easy-pesey."?

Your last example: militant vegans or something?
I have no idea but it's always entertaining to be lectured by an American who thinks you're radical...

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OMG...you are so confused, it's not even funny.

Yes a balanced person would recognise that rioting and destruction is not the answer to police brutality so where did I ever suggest that I was for it?


Do you not understand what the thread of this entire discussion is? You sneered at the concept of centrist politics. I gave examples of what a centrist is. Now you're ranting that I'm accusing you of thinking that you support rioting and destruction? WTF?

Yes a balanced person would recognise that rioting and destruction is not the answer to police brutality so where did I ever suggest that I was for it?


Again, you have problems following threads of discussion. I didn't say that pro-abortionists don't believe in contraception and education. I said that a pro-abortion centrist believes in abortion, contraception and education. A pro-abortion extremist would not. A pro-abortion extremist would rant that the only option is abortion. Are you going to pretend that there aren't extremists who don't believe that?

I have no idea but it's always entertaining to be lectured by an American who thinks you're radical...


You are a radical by your own admission. If you openly scorn the centrist point of view, then what else could you be?

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OMG you're like...so funny...Who is these pro-abortion left wingers or "non-centrists" who denounce sex education and contraception and think abortion is like ordering snack food? If you want to posit whoever these people are as some sort of oddball fringe group somewhere then go right ahead, but they are not the mainstream left-of-centre and only a conservative would try to argue otherwise.

What "centrist" point of view? You've just about given me baseless examples of what the right thinks of the Left, and therefore proved my point.

If you didn't incorrectly believe that I support rioting, then what exactly is supposed to make me a "radical" and part of the polarization?
Because I simply made criticism of the way self-labeled "centrists" coddle the far right?
Is considering me a radical for that supposed to be balanced? 🤔

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All righty then...

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It's clear what far side of the spectrum you're on.

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It's pretty clear what side you're on, pin-head.

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Enjoy a heaping bowl of dicks.

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So balanced...Enjoy jerking it to Orange Man.

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Enjoy your hate and divisiveness.

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Yes if only we could be as tolerant and level-headed as your beloved Orange Man...

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You and your party are the ones spewing hate and violence.

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Yeah and Joe Biden is a Communist and the Lizard People and Soros are stealing your thoughts.

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Refer to my above post.

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There is no common sense.

Let these people try their ideas and have a test to see if it was successful or a failure.

The problem with the left is alot of their ideas are huge gambles and sometimes dangerous.

No cash bail
Soft on crime
Open borders
No longer charging people for knowingly infecting another with HIV.
Getting rid of stop and frisk.

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It's not true that everything is polarized. The problem is that the Silent Majority has been completely silenced by the wackos in social and mainstream media.

For example, look at this situation unfolding with JK Rowling. There's no drama like this going in the Real World. I could spend the next 100 days mired in conversations day in, day out with neighbors, friends, relatives and everyone and you won't hear anyone mired in any stupid drama about transgenderism. This whole "debate" is a complete media-concocted fiction but the entire thing is played in the media as if the entire world is in some epic battle about it.

Ditto everything else. No one in my neck in the woods knows anything about QAnon, Alex Jones, etc. but if you went by the media you'd think the entire world was into this crap.

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So true. Pretty much what I was going to say. The average man on the street couldn't really care less about these so called polarising issues. But the squeaky wheel gets the grease

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"Social media has really shown how bad this has gotten."

Social media and the Internet are the root of this problem. In the past, people of a certain mindset were scattered about the country, with little contact among themselves. The new technology has made it easier for people with similar views to become connected and disseminate information quickly and efficiently. This enables them to become more vocal, which makes the groups appear to be more widespread than they are in reality.

Technological advances are good when they benefit humanity, but only up to a point. Today's polarization is an example of when too much technology becomes detrimental. There's over-reliance on social media to the exclusion of other forms of communication.

I would venture to guess that a majority of the population falls into the category of moderate or centrist. We need to hear more from these people.

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The worst part is that fringe elements are being boosted by outsiders.

For example, we've always had white supremacists in the US but they were few and far between. Then white supremacists outside of the US started creating forums and groups on social media to boost their numbers. So, now white supremacists in this country went from maybe 10,000 thousand strong locally to 10 million strong globally.

This insanity is why that mass shooting happened in Norway. You had the shooter in Norway reading the rants of millions of other supremacists from outside his country on forums and such and thinking, "Yeah, I am one of them," even though most of those supremacists were from the US, Russia, Germany, etc.

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Exactly. You hit the nail right on the head.

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Cuz one side keeps getting more and more bat shit extreme, leaving the other side no recourse but to shore itself up. All perpetuated by the media which is controlled by the one side. Social media rounds up the stragglers and sorts them where they need to go. All this strife and division is being orchestrated by the Elites to their design as they work at fast pace to institute their one world government cuz it's slipping away from them. Depending on how badly they destabilize things, it's not gonna be a civil war that's the problem, it's gonna be WWIII as other countries start making powerplays. Throw in a few natural disasters that roll in like clockwork these days and we have a real recipe for Armageddon.

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