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Why did Hitler scapegoat the Jews?


Why them specifically? Why not blacks, Asians, gays, etc?

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It was for internal politics to drive nationalism in terms of throwing off the after taste of WWI and gearing up for WWII. Laying blame carries a lot more energy than expressing regret.

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Ok but why them specifically and not some other group?

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They were a nominal group in Germany as opposed to Catholics and Protestants. Fewer of them to be offended than the other groups although Catholics were starting to take heat before the war ended. Jews were also an ethnic minority in a country that did not have many minorities period. In the years before WWI which was within the memory of those living in the 1930's Germany was pushing outward in terms of emigration with very few coming in. Had the opposite happened there may well have been other groups to pick on during the 1930's.

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Excellent answer.

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they were also disproportionately prosperous and well established in the professions. this made jews a uniquely opportune target for the nationalists, easily seen as 'the other', easily envied, easily (by dint of their minority population size) suppressed. the religious aspect was merely instrumental, as the nazis were completely opportunistic in their use of religion as a tool to be wielded in the exercise of power (their own actual religion).

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It was for internal politics to drive nationalism in terms of throwing off the after taste of WWI and gearing up for WWII. Laying blame carries a lot more energy than expressing regret.

It's more complex than that. UK were the key to obtain the land of Israel. Because of that, many Jew communities in Germany supported British during the WW1. They even collected money to support them. Eventually, that paid off and they got Israel.

WW1 was won by British by a hair's breadth. And who knows if many german Jews supporting UK tipped the scale. Germans didn't forgive that. Hitler was particularly belligerent, but he was just an extreme version of a widespread feeling.

Don't get me wrong, I would have done the same had I've been in the place of Jews. During the WW1 Jews and Germans had conflicting interests. That's life. The problem is that it happened during the most bloody war ever seen (WW2 was a walk in the park in comparison) and the worst pandemic since the Black Plague. It became the perfect storm.

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Tradition. Europeans had been targeting the Jews for a long time.



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I believe they still do.

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Old habits die hard. My mother blamed the Jews for killing Jesus. She would have made a good Nazi.

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Is Mel Gibson your mom?

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Well if he is he's damned good at disguise and he faked his own death.

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That is true. Even if the Jews in Germany mostly were more accepted than ever before between 1871 and 1933, there were still prejudices floating around after centuries of hatred.
People began to make anti-semitism seem more based on "science" and less on religion by the 20th century.
So they would talk about Jews being an "inferior race" rather than about them "killing Jesus".
But it was really the same old garbage, that people had believed in during the Middle Ages.
People still thought that Jewish people were "greedy", "foreign" and "untrustworthy".
So that is why the Nazi propaganda didn't seem that extreme to many people at the time.
There was nothing new about it, but just the old familiar stuff.
And it was only after the WWII and the Holocaust, that these old prejudices started to go out of fashion.

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Has it really gone "out of fashion" though?

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Of course.
It is true that you still can come across some haters.
However, you will not hear such opinions anywhere but on places like fringe sites on the internet.
It is hardly politically correct to say such things in public anymore.

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They were the money lenders and were notoriously greedy. They controlled the financial systems. That's going to turn people against them.

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Yet, they co-existed quite well in Germany prior to the rise of the Nazi's. Quite a few Jews fought in WWI on behalf of Germany though the business class was more opposed to military adventurism.

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Don't they still do?

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Eh, no. That is hateful propaganda.

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I'm willing to bet if you surveyed a 1000 people in "high finance" a disproportionate amount would be jewish.
I'm not saying theyre secretly controlloing the world through it , like the illuminati or something , just that its a respected profession in that community.

Like India and doctors.

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Yep, alot of the hatred comes from this, Christians once were forbidden from lending money in ye olde days, Jews took advantage of this and became prominent money lenders, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s even a Robin Hood legend including Jewish money lenders.

Here's an interesting read on the matter: https://www.history.ox.ac.uk/::ognode-637356::/files/download-resource-printable-pdf-5

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Yikes...They were also very smart, but you wouldn't know anything about that.

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anit-semitic nonsense

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Yep, lots of blacks and Asians in 1930s Germany...

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Gays?

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Why, don't you know about the big gay pride parade they used to have in Berlin before Hitler came to power???

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Apparently, the queer scene was flourishing and prominent pre-Nazi Germany days. Maybe not parades but they did have gay clubs even in those days.

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Yes, Berlin had a big gay scene, the rest of Germany was way more conservative. The gays weren't exactly "out and proud". Point is that the nazis were not exactly fond of gays, but the community was not big and visible enough to make them the main target.

Jews were one of the biggest ethnic groups in Germany with very powerful members.

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they were so powerful they almost got annihilated.

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Are you suggesting that powerful people can't be overthrown???

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I am suggesting that POWERFUL people don't get wiped out in genocides.

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You are so wrong about that. Although many rich Jews did have the opportunity to flee Germany before Hitler got that chance.

There were several Jewish families throughout Germany who had a prominent role in the banking, business and cultural world. Ever heard of the Rothschilds???

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You think there were no powerful Protestant and Catholic families? In fact, Hitler took on the Catholic Church but he was never able to completely rid Germany of their influence. Why? Because they were too powerful.

What's amazing about the Jews in pre-Nazi Germany is how little political power and influence they had.

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Do you understand the difference when I say that Jews were an ETHNIC group with very powerful members?

Lol, of course, he couldn't get rid of the Catholic church. It was a centuries-old, very large and internationally powerful institution. What exactly is your point? He tried to get rid of both, but had more success with Jews because they were a small community with a certain reputation. The "Jewish conpiracy" isn't exactly a new thing.

The Jews weren't so much directly involved in local politics (although you shouldn't forget about the Zionist movement), but there were many prominent, influential and wealthy Jewish bankers, business men, jurists, scientists, doctors, writers and artists. And again, the Rothschilds.

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The Jews were successful despite quotas in most institutions throughout Europe. Albert Einstein had trouble getting a professorship anywhere in Europe because of quotas. Just because individual Jews were talented and successful doesn't make the Jews as a group powerful. In fact, they were quite powerless in most European countries.

What exactly did the Rothschilds do differently than any non-Jewish who started a family business and became successful?

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You must be thinking of his time in the US. Einstein had an extremely succesful career in Europe. The only reason he had a difficult start was because of his own attitude. Many of his succesful colleagues were Jewish as well.

The Rothschilds are very exceptional. You don't achieve what they have by acting like everybody else.

But nowhere did I say Jewish families did something "differently" (although NotoriousRio did bring up an interesting point about Jewish moneylending). I'm saying that they were a minority group with quite a few influential members, making them a pretty obvious target for anyone looking for a scapegoat.

Here's an example of Jews not being exactly powerless, and one that no doubt contributed to their not-so-great reputation in Germany:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barmat_scandal

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a perfect example of scapegoating.

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Are you saying those guys were innocent???

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I am saying that the fascists used this to tar all Jews with the same brush was a form of scapegoating. I never said Jews didn't commit any crimes. I am sure there were plenty of Catholic and Protestant war profiteers.

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"I am saying that the fascists used this to tar all Jews with the same brush was a form of scapegoating."

Yeah, but that wasn't really the point. It was an example of pretty influential Jews, and they weren't even German.

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The Nazis also said the Jews were the cause of Germany losing World War 1.

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Mitch, that is not the point.😑

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You must be thinking of his time in the US. Einstein had an extremely succesful career in Europe. The only reason he had a difficult start was because of his own attitude. Many of his succesful colleagues were Jewish as well.

Really, it is true he almost didn't get a position since he was Jewish.
The other guy who was a candidate declined the offer, so he would have a chance.
Admittedly, this was before Einstein was famous and still struggled.
But if that other guy hadn't felt that he would make a better professor, it would have been a huge stumbling block in his career.

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Which position was that?

All I can find is that with his first appointment at the University of Zürich, some in the faculty had issue with him, but they were impressed enough to give the position to him anyway. I think Einstein was way too cocky thinking he would get a important position straight away.

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This was in Prague, if I remember correctly. But he would only stay for a short period, so that is why it might be hard to find much about that.

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As I understand it those clubs were fairly underground. Which again makes it hard to know just how many gays were present in pre-Nazi Germany. Those clubs were mainly in the large cities such as Berlin. What the activity was in municipalities of 10,000 people or less is difficult to assess.

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How exactly did the Nazis know who or who wasn't gay? Did they raid these underground gay clubs? Undercover stings? Yikes!

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The same way people in the US during 2020 and the Covid quarantine got blown in to law enforcement for restriction violations. Somebody tattled on them. Being gay in any culture means taking a chance to find a like minded person so the risk is there to be found out by a straight person. As has been said previously the payoff is not that high to assign a lot of resources to hunt down gays.

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Homosexuals were notoriously persecuted and imprisoned in concentration camps, and were often treated even worse than the Jewish prisoners.

The reason the Nazis did not use this group as heavily as the did the Jews is because there were so relatively few of them. During the Nazi reign, it was estimated that some 100,000 men were arrested as suspected homosexuals... those numbers aren’t large enough to pose ad a national threat. Also, being Jewish was considered a race in Germany, so that information was recorded on a person’s birth certificate. It was easy for the Nazi party to pull records, find membership lists for Synagogues, etc. and identify those who were Jewish or were of Jewish decent. Being gay was much easier to conceal.

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Gays in Germany prior to Hitler is very hard to assess. It would seem that gays had a larger than typical presence versus most other parts of Europe. But far from being out in the open in large numbers.

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ernst rohm was gay.

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He also singled out disabled people at one point.

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Asians, lol, wtf?

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Homosexual's were part of it. A lack of blacks and Asian's in Europe at the time would have explained it partly. Gypsies copped it too. Although he had an alliance with Japan and was on good terms with China but had to cool it off when Japan invaded them. He was also on very good terms with the Islamic Middle East.

Jews have been expelled from parts of Europe many times over the centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews

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Yes, the Gypsies were just as persecuted as the Jews.
Ironically enough, since they would have been more "Aryan" than the common Europeans.

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