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good vs. bad depictions of intelligence on film


This isn't a subject that gets talked about a lot, but what do you think differentiates good, convincing portrayals of intelligence in cinema vs. bad, superficial ones?

One of the most common clichés I've noticed when it comes to characters that are depicted as "geniuses" on film, is that they are always as portrayed as monotone, fast-talking, logic-based people without a lot of social skill or emotional sensitivity. This one personally irks me a lot, as Hollywood seems to think that a high IQ is always dictated by how emotionless and robotic someone acts. Even The Social Network, for all its praises, more or less portrayed Mark Zuckerberg in that vein.

It's a common misconception that in order to be smart, one has to remove all sense of emotion in their thinking. When in reality, our gut emotional response is often just as useful in dictating the right course of action as an extensive period of logical calculations.

One of the best characters that exemplifies intelligence coming from a deep place of understanding of human social interactions, is Hans Landa from Inglourious Basterds. That man knows how to employ fear and intimidation in others without so much as even raising his voice. He knows how to do the tiniest of things in a conversation, to put pressure on those he interrogates.

Furthermore, no matter what side he's on, he always knows how to turn the odds in his favor. This is most evident at the end, when he decides, rather than rounding up all the Basterds to protect the Fuehrer, he lets them win the war so he will be marked down as a hero in the history books. THAT, is a fucking smart character.

What I'm getting at here, is that I want to see more films and TV shows, depict intelligence not simply as being unemotional and only using cold, hard logic to fuel one's thinking. Social skills, charm, and ability to read/empathize what others are thinking and feeling are often just as useful as being able to crunch numbers or recite 20 pages worth of text in one's mind.

Any thoughts on this subject?

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But Mark Zuckerberg IS indeed robotic! He even looks like Data from Star Trek.

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hollywood is run by autistic people who think everyone is socially inept and emotionless as they are because of their autism.

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Ah, yes, business that's all about emotion and communication is the perfect place for autists to thrive in.

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why was your post deleted and why are you responding to me? INSTABLOCK!

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Pure, unhinged autism

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Good: No Country For Old Men
Bad: Sherlock (later seasons), Limitless

The problem is when you have an idiot who writes a character that's supposed to be a genius. But for the idiot, high intelligence is like magic so he portrays it as such. The genius character always knows something we don't and that's how the illusion of him being 10 steps ahead of us is created. And of course, the entire supporting cast needs to congratulate the genius for being smart every 5 minutes.
In a truly smart movie the fact that a character is smart isn't said but shown.

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Good: "The Great Escape". Intelligent people getting together to do something fantastically clever!

Bad: Where to start. Okay, how about the recent "Now You See Me"? A bunch of magicians pulling capers was a great idea for a fantastically clever film about clever people, but instead of showing how fantastically clever all the magic and stunts were, they just used CGI to produce impossible effects.

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Oh yeah, Now You See Me is the definition of a superficially clever movie. A movie that trades clever deception and a well-constructed plot for completely nonsensical twists and turns to feign the illusion of it being smarter than it actually is. It's probably one of the worst depictions of high-intelligence there is.

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Not a movie, but a great example of the wrong way to depict intelligence can be seen in Game of Thrones. In George R. R. Martin's books, a lot of characters are genuinely smart in a lot of ways, but in the TV adaptation, while Martin's characterization was maintained with some success in the first few seasons, as the show went on and the show writers increasingly replaced Martin's material with their own (well before they ran out of book space), it started to become very clear that Benioff and Weiss don't understand how to make characters smart the way Martin does. This became especially obvious by the last couple seasons, when most characters became severely dumbed down in order to make Benioff and Weiss's favorites look smart.

An example is Sansa being referred to by Arya as "the smartest person I've ever known" (this is someone who spent time in the company of Tywin Lannister, a political mastermind), when Sansa herself didn't really do anything to demonstrate this intelligence. The show writers decided to depict this as her knowing things she has no way of knowing, while others around her somehow become mind-bogglingly incompetent. Such as Sansa being the only person to figure out that they ought to insulate their armor for the cold Northern winter. Furthermore, they reduced Sansa to a cold, emotionless, mean person who insults people for no reason, thinking that this signifies intelligence. This is so far from her book personality it's not even funny. In the books Sansa is learning about politics but she's also retaining her polite nature and kind heart. But to Benioff and Weiss, being smart means being an asshole. Finally, to demonstrate Sansa's intelligence, Littlefinger was turned into an idiot so that he, the mastermind behind the war of the five kings, could be outsmarted and overcome by Sansa and her sister because he couldn't see what was going on right in front of his face.

Tyrion too, in the early seasons he had some political sense, but by the late seasons everybody was just calling him smart when he wasn't doing smart things. In fact virtually every idea he has results in unmitigated disaster. Yet somehow everybody calls him a genius because he makes witty quips that look good on t-shirts and memes.

Benioff and Weiss just don't know how to write smart people, so they compensate by CALLING their favorite characters smart despite showing no evidence for it, and making everyone else look stupid to back it up, while turning the "smart" people into emotionless jerks.

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Yeah, I hate it when characters have to spell out for us, how smart the main protagonist is. The worst example I can think of is in Ender's Game. In that film, characters always talk about how bright and gifted Ender is, when virtually everything he does throughout is common sense. Lay low and mince words when someone threatens to hit you? Genius!

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Interesting post!

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Danerys was VERY smart in the early seasons, conquered three city-states through clever means that required minimal bloodshed, and which won her some really feverent followers. In the last season, she totally lost her intelligence.

Okay, remember the climactic battle of the whole show. It's Queen Danerys fighting Queen Cersei for the control of Westeros. During the battle, Danerys is riding a flying, fire-breathing dragon, one with the power to melt the towers off of castles, and Cersei is standing at the top of the highest tower in her castle to see what goes on. Cersei has no heir, her next of kin are her brothers, and they've gone over to Danerys. If Cersei dies, then Danerys wins the war in that moment, and Danerys would very much like to kill Cersei for personal reasons, as Cersei had just cut off the head of Danerys's best friend. Cersei does not have a 360 degree view from her tower, if Danerys approaches from above or the right angle, Cersei would not see her coming, or if she did, she would not be able to run down ten stories of stairs fast enough to save her life.

So what does Danerys do? What does the show's most brilliant military strategist do, the woman who conquered the city-states of Slaver's Bay with amazing speed and minimal bloodshed? Does she take out the one person whose death would put an immediate stop to the war, and whom she hates more than anyone else in the city they're fighting over? NO, SHE SETS FIRE TO AN USELESS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE CERSEI STANDS THERE CATCHING FLIES. Yes, she's supposed to be unbalanced at that point, but crazy doesn't mean stupid. And yes, when the show's writers got careless, Danerys went from brilliant to stupid.

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The Imitation Game (2014) - Genius Alan Turing portrayed as snarky, aloof, difficult to work with. from what I have read this is not true.

Spartacus (1960) - Spartacus portrayed as intelligent, pretty well done.

Casino (1995) - Ace Rothstein portrayed as highly intelligent, pretty well done.

The Founder (2017) - McDonald's Ray Kroc portrayed as intelligent, but emphasizes other qualities such as ambition and persistence in achieving success. I liked that.

Back to School (1983) - The stereotypical condescending college professor.

Apollo 13 (1995) - Rocket scientists! Some nerdish qualities, but not completely. Liked it.

A Man for all Seasons (1966) - For this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBiLT3LASk

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) - Walter Huston character portrayed as wise rather than specifically intelligent. Thought I'd throw that in.

Best for last: Jim Phelps of Mission: Impossible. The TV series that is.

I suppose the list is endless

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Jesse Eisenberg cannot play very intelligent characters. Neither can Jennifer Lawrence.

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