Wagner eh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqk4bcnBqls

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I love Wagner - some of the most powerful music ever composed.

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Is it nazi? https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20130509-is-wagners-nazi-stigma-fair

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No it isn't. Just because he was Hitler's favorite composer shouldn't mean anything. Hitler also liked the movie Gone With the Wind, so should that be banned?

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"Hitler also liked the movie Gone With the Wind, so should that be banned?"

He did? I didnt know that.

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He was a vegetarian as well - the jury is still out on that one though, lol.

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Seriously, some people see that movie as racist because it doesn't outright condemn slavery.
Nevermind that looking back, the movie was progressive when it was made in 1939.

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Speaking of the Nazi's - whenever I listen to Gotterdammerung I can't help but think about the Berlin Philharmonic's last performance when this was played before Berlin fell to the Allies. They did think they were gods, but I wonder if everyone in that audience was evil or were there some decent people people who had been swept away by Hitler's promise of a utopian future?

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I really doubt that the musicians were thinking anything but "I've held onto my home and my job this long, what the hell am I going to do after this? Poverty, death, or a refugee camp if I'm lucky?".

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There were reports that the Hitler Youth passed cyanide out to the audience after the performance and considering the number of suicides as Germany fell, I can imagine it did happen.

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Honey, if someone was passing out cyanide capsules as my city was about to fall to an enemy invasion, I'd take one.

I mean I'd take one and put it in my pocket, just in case it came in handy someday! I wouldn't swallow it then and there! But even if I knew my government was in the wrong and needed to fall, well, war is utter hell for civilians caught in it and so is the aftermath.

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OMG, I thought I was the only one left! Have you seen a live Ring Cycle?

Although BTW I have to admit that Wagner's most lasting and impactful cultural contribution was the "leitmotif", which is the basis of film scoring.

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No, unfortunately I have not. Have you?

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I've seen three ring cycles live over the years! I live two hours away from San Francisco, which has an excellent opera company, and they've done a few ring cycles over the decades. They did an absolutely kick-ass production about five years ago and repeated it last summer with different singers, it was superb!

Do see a production live someday if you ever have the chance, or at least watch complete performances on youtube. I mean the music is fantastic when recorded, but seeing it acted out in a top production brings all the parts that seem slow or tedious on a record into vivid life.

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My favorite is Tannhauser. I lost count of how many times I've listened to those CDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFwlhBAoZz4

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indeed!

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My favorite also.

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Paraphrasing Woody Allen

I try not to listen to Wagner. It always makes me feel like invading Poland.


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Well, I know I should cut Allen some slack since he's Jewish and bound to be sensitive about this. But that is really not fair. Wagner was Adolf Hitler's favorite composer, which would make him controversial in some circles. But he was dead for six years before Hitler was born and fifty years before the Nazis got any political power.

Of course, there are many claims that Wagner was antisemitic. But that would be rather expected from a person, who lived back in the 19th century. And still, he had Jewish friends and supporters according to Wikipedia.

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Wagner makes me feel like invading Poland too and I'm neither German nor Jewish !

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But why?

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Give it up dude. You just don't get the joke.

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"Jews could be extremely aggressive against anybody criticizing them"

And how does that make them different from anyone else on this planet? Everyone hates criticism, including YOU, and everyone fights back against it if they can.

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I didn't say that it made them different. Actually, I think it was a conflict of interests between groups. That why I said explicitly in the comment (that has been deleted by some moderator) that it was a complicated situation.

It seems that saying that it's politically incorrect enough to have a moderator deleting the comment. Quite interesting, isn't it?

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I recently learned that referring to someone as a "sheeple" is apparently also a no-no.

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And I had a similar problem a few days ago.

It seems to me that some woke has been promoted to mod

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Canadian 1: Who was Hitler's favorite composer?

Canadian 2: Wagner eh

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lol

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She's sweet on Wagner
I think she'd die for Beethoven
She loves the way Puccini lays down a tune
And Verdi's always creeping from her room…

https://youtu.be/dfK8t4j7I64

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