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Immunity certificate?


Some governments are contemplating giving people who had/survived/and are no longer contagious 'immunity certificates' that would allow them to bypass quarantine measures and be out and about.

Seems interesting but problematic to me.

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That's racist.

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Easy now. Take it easy, mainstream.

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Maybe not the word I would use, but it is a good point...business or others would favor people (in the hiring process) over people w/o one.

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Do you know that Japanese atomic bomb survivors and their families are discriminated in Japan by other Japanese? They often pretend that they are NOT atomic bomb survivors because of this.

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Wow...the combo of a unknown weapon and ignorance I guess. Thinking that radiation poisoning can be caught like lepersy.

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Idk, Japanese are highly educated and generally not ignorant. More like inate human instinct. Maybe.

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Currently? I thought that the bias you were talking about was in the years after the bomb dropped.

Did they account for why they feel this way? You would think empathy would be in order.

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Yes, currently. They are still being discriminated againts today. Even their children and grandchildren. Most of them only married to other atomic bomb survivors because "nomal" people wouldn't want to.

It's counter intuitive for sure. Logically people would treat them better because of what have happened to them. But no, it's the opposite.

I guess people's train of thought is that those people are of the "lesser" genes. Mutants. The abnormals. Basically, like what happens in X-Men movies. Many people pity them, but at the same time nobody would want anything to do with them.

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That's just like in the Book of Revelations!

"From the East, there shall emerge a pestilence, and the dead shall litter the streets. And lo, many shall bear the mark of the beast and follow unto one who's face reflects the color of hellfire."

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Just what we need! The man being able to stop you and ask for your papers. Fuck that.

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Except that it's too early to declare anyone immune, right now we don't know enough about this virus to say that anyone is truly immune. Early tests have shown that some people who recover have oddly low levels of antibodies and may be susceptible to future infection, and it is the nature of viruses to mutate. Someone who's immune to this year's strain may not be immune to the one that goes around next year, or the year after.

I'm worried about the possibility of governments issuing "certificates of immunity", without understanding the science of immunity. Frankly, we'd all be better off assuming that anyone could be contagious, and keeping up the social distancing, gloves, and handwashing.

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That's my take on this. There are still too many unanswered questions about Covid-19 and whether a person is immune if they've had it. It has happened with other diseases where a mild case does not preclude one from getting it again.

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That's one of the things that made the Influenza epidemic of 1918-1919 so horrific - the virus mutated to a much more lethal form, and did so in a period of months. People who'd had the non-deadly form in 1918 got the new and more lethal form and died in 1919, having the disease earlier did not save them.

Now I have heard that this virus is "slow to mutate", but I haven't had a chance to check the sources and see if they're valid. Because believe me, it IS the nature of viruses to mutate, change, and evolve. They do so constantly, and sometimes they do so quickly.

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I've heard the "slow-to-mutate" thing too, which is lucky for humans. Let's hope it stays that way.

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I just have no idea if the "slow to mutate" thing is true, any more than the malaria drug curing coronavirus rumor. Because that's turned out not to be true.

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Tot the best of my knowledge, hydroxychloroquine was never touted as a "cure", but it has been used effectively as a treatment.

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Hydroxychloroquine appears overrated since people wouldn't still be dying if it was very effective. There are a few other drugs being developed which may be out this summer or by the fall:

"The many candidates include antibody drugs, which might prevent illness for those exposed to the virus. Others are antiviral drugs, which aim to block replication, alleviating the worst effects of Covid-19 after people fall ill."

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I said it had been used effectively which is true. I'm not doctor or scientist and I suspect that you aren't either so neither of us knows the exact statistics on how it has been used and it's success/failure ratio.

I only know I hear success stories from doctors and patients who have either prescribed or taken the drug in combination with a Z Pack and Zinc. I have yet to hear of any doctors who have actually prescribe the medical cocktail and state it hasn't worked.


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Fauci is a doctor:

"The data are really just at best suggestive. There have been cases that show there may be an effect, and there are others to show there's no effect," he said on CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday morning. "So I think in terms of science, I don't think we could definitively say it works.""

RE: trials
1. A pilot study of hydroxychloroquine in treatment of patients with common coronavirus disease-19 (COVID-19) PREPRINT, JOURNAL OF ZHEJIANG UNIVERSITY March 2020

"An unpublished study of 30 patients but in an RCT did not show a demonstrable effect with HCQ. This study while negative given its small size, does mean that if HCQ has an effect it is likely small, so a much larger study would be needed to show effect."

Other trials are either ongoing or have been ambiguous.

This site basically reiterates what Fauci said, it's premature since trials are ongoing.
https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/hydroxychloroquine-effective-covid-19-3536024/

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Fauci is a doctor, but I don't think he has any active patients he has treated.

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If people with the "immunity certificate" have advantages in living life and finding jobs, I'm afraid that some unemployed people might desperate enough to risk their lives to get sick for this certificate.

A "vaccine/immunity certificate" would be a fair choice when the vaccine for COVID 19 becomes available.

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If people with the "immunity certificate" have advantages in living life and finding jobs, then you bet your ass that fake certificates will become widespread! And soon. The job market is going to be shitty for quite a while, and anyone who has a last dollar to spend on a fake certificate will spend it.

That's just how humans are, in the absence of a good social safety net.

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We cannot blame the general public, especially when they have fewer choices. It is the administration and its experts who must avoid making "good intentions, bad outcomes" rule like this.

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Nobody knows how long immunity lasts. There are people who had the virus, tested negative and then tested positive again.

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I doubt the states will do this, but wouldn't be surprised if some European/African or Asian countries do.

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From what I gathered, most experts think this is because the test was done incorrectly resulting in a false negative. The people this has happened to really weren't 100% over the virus.

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I tend to agree with this. Achieving accurate test results is still somewhat of an issue.

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I have this for other stuff. A yellow booklet of my vaccine history. Could not enroll in uni classes without showing it to health officer.

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I wish I was immune.

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