Cooking and eating meat actually contributed significantly to the evolution of our brains in prehistory. That’s why I laugh at vegetarians pushing their agenda. That’s fine if you don’t want to eat meat but don’t ever tell me humans/primates aren’t “supposed” to eat meat.
sharei haven't taken the pledge myself, but find the argument from sustainability compelling.
the fact that meat-eating spurred human evolution isn't, in itself, an argument for its necessity in the present.
I think it is. Everything about our biological health is tied into our evolution, which is why it is very difficult to get our required protein from anything but an animal or animal products.
sharethere are probably a billion or so vegetarians on the planet. it's a well trodden path in life.
your argument doesn't really hold up in practice. you and i may enjoy meat, but that doesn't mean one can't be healthy living a vegetarian lifestyle.
Yes Indians look so healthy 🤣
That may of course be mostly due to poverty but I see lots of sickly looking vegans round these parts as well.
"the fact that meat-eating spurred human evolution isn't, in itself, an argument for its necessity in the present."
Evolution, by definition, is not a terminal process. I'm sure we haven't finished yet.
As the population grows our ability to sustainably grow meat for slaughter will be significantly impacted until it simply is no longer feasible.
That time is not yet here.
Thank the flavor gods.
haha thanks the flavour gods.
shareMost vegetarians also follow the need for population control.I would go with the meat available given to the ones that have a religion that says they follow that. Others can live off insects that will some be allowed to be consumed.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/25/health/insects-feed-save-planet-wellness/index.html
I've got some friends who are veggies and they are certainly not all in my face about it. I keep hearing about these militant vegetarians and vegans but I'm yet to meet one. Personally, I enjoy vegetarian food and could probably handle it if it becomes the norm for sustainability or whatever.
For now though, pass me that steak.
You know how you can tell when there's a vegan at the party?
They will tell you!
I'll have to take your word for that!
Just quietly though, one thing I STRONGLY disagree with is animal activists who trespass on private farming property to protest, steal livestock, block roads and generally cause chaos for these farmers. I'm a big believer in ethical treatment of farm animals but disrupting the lives of people who are providing an essential service is just bad form and counterproductive.
Stats show that the most active nature conservationists are hunters followed closely by farmers.
Not activists.
I can see the logic, but I don't like when that argument is rolled out to support trophy hunting of exotic and/or endangered animals. When I see a photo of a fat American in Africa posing proudly with his foot on the head of a dead elephant, I don't buy that he did it to save the environment.
When my dad was alive he was a keen hunter but always went out to rural properties on the permission of the landowners to shoot pests like rabbits and wild boar; so I'm certainly not against sport hunting if it's done responsibly.
“When I see a photo of a fat American in Africa posing proudly with his foot on the head of a dead elephant, I don't buy that he did it to save the environment.“
🤣 Yeah I get a chuckle out of that too, idiots.
One thing to be aware of is what you see, is not always the whole story. There was a post showing a pretty girl next to a large giraffe that she killed and OH! The outrage!! What the didn't tell us was that giraffe was an aged, aggressive male past it's mating prime and he was killing smaller, upcoming males. If left unchecked, he would have lead to the destruction of the herd so they sanctioned her to kill it. Then they fed the whole village with it. A lot of these "sensational" post are showing similar situations where the animal needs to be put down.
shareStats show that the most active nature conservationists are hunters followed closely by farmers.
what stats? How do you measure an "Active nature conservationist" ?
Arnt we all doing that when we put our recycling into the correct bins?
It's measured by financial contributions and actual physical contributions. WTF do you think?!
You should know at least a LITTLE about the subject you're discussing.
Being raised in a family of hunters AND farmers, I actually DO know just a teeny tiny little something. Not to mention LIVING in that same environment.
If you hunt or fish the last thing you want go there to be less fish and game. That’s why most hunters and fishermen go to great lengths to conserve and enhance the environment to make it a better ecosystem. Hunters and fishermen are part of the balance of environmental ecosystems. It’s just like tree farmers. There are more trees in the United States right now than there were in 1901 because tree farmers plant trees. In the early 1900’s duck populations were being wiped out by hunters feeding the demand in France. Now migratory birds and their habitats are Managed. That’s why there are seasons and limits. Coastal erosion is a real threat in some gulf areas and hunters and fishermen back that cause as another example. Hunting and fishing permits, boat registrations WMA fees and many other thing’s have portions of the proceeds going directly into conservation. Just to Duck Hunt in Louisiana one must purchase a Federal and State Duck stamp that combined amounts to around 30 dollars and I think that goes to wetland conservation also.
As far as recycling, most hunters and fishermen I know try to recycle and never litter. We want our fields and waterways clean to produce a thriving habitat for generations to come.
Thank you for putting a much better voice to that question. I get upset when the inexperienced say things that they haven't even bother to Google.
shareMy pleasure. It’s always been amazing to me how some uninformed people think hunters and fishermen are problems, when in most cases, they do more for our environment than most other segments of the population.
shareMy paternal grandfather hunted his entire life as a matter of necessity. No hunt equaled no meat for 13 kids and 2 adults.
Mistreatment of his forest endangered his family!
I watched him threaten to kill a man who had shot a yearling (a yearling!) just to cut out the backstrap and dump the rest in a ditch. Sorry piece of shit.
Some people have no morals.
shareI don't get the vegans. Dairy and eggs aren't killing anything and it opens up so many food options by just adding those two things.
shareEveryone has their own beliefs and as long as it's feasible and doesn't hurt anyone that's fine. My parents were "upper middle class" in the military so life was fairly comfortable, but they never forgot their early hardships and did their best to teach us those hard lessons. One was to take what is offered.
Plus if you've ever been truly hungry, ALL your preconceptions about food will Very quickly disappear.
I suspect that the vast majority of vegans haven't missed many meals.
Most farm animals are kept in horrible conditions. They're basically tortured their whole lives. I'm not a vegan, but I can understand why they would be turned off to being a part of a cruel system. People pretend that animals aren't consciously aware nor have emotions, but they do.
sharei like eating vegetarian and i like eating meat, i like to eat vegan a lot. meat is fine I just think we need to be aware of the environment - humans have always killed animals for meat to eat but you don't have to have it if your not out hunting and gathering
shareI like food in general. If it's palatable I'm happy to stuff it in my gullet 😁
One of the best meals I've had, around the nicest people, was a Thanksgiving I spent at a Krishna house.
I either ignore them, or laugh in their faces. Full disclosure: I'm a member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals.
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*palms forehead.
some people will never change... haha
okay so eating animals is fine but you don't have to everyday.
No, I don't have to, but I WANT to!
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Fair enough! I'm sure theres enough land for all the cows. I sometimes worry about that but try not to. I think it might be an issue in deforestation. what if they didn't have enough land and so meat prices where really high - would you eat a meat from a cloned animal grown in a lab? i wouldn't i'd rather be veg.
shareI’m a carnivore with canine teeth.
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