I'm having a hard time understanding how coronavirus is spreading. - General Discussion Discussion

But with coronavirus I just can't see it.

Well, why not?

And another thing is that a common early symptom is diarrhea which would suggest the virus is being taken in via food and drink.

Anything that gives you a fever is probably going to give you diarrhea, per se.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

It would help if you read what I wrote rather than just looking at the thread title...

Anything that gives you a fever is probably going to give you diarrhea, per se.

And it helps if you have some idea of what you're talking about too. In coronavirus diarrhea is the first symptom well before the fever presents.

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[–] SoapboxQuantez08 (646) 4 years ago

I'm having a hard time understanding how coronavirus is spreading.

Considering it is so infectious.

You contradicted yourself from the get-go.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

" Read the article moron "

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[–] SoapboxQuantez08 (646) 4 years ago

It's not an article, and there's no point in reading it twice.

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[–] mikethemartian (6052) 4 years ago

I remember back in the late 70s there were PSA commercials called FYI that featured Hal Linden from Barney Miller fame. The one I remember most was about the spread of the common cold. Apparently there was research at the time where they had sick individuals with colds sneezing and coughing on healthy people and the transmission rate wasn’t very high. Instead the main cause of transmission was a sick person rubbing their nose, touching an object, a healthy person touching the same object and then rubbing their nose. I don’t know if that research has held up over the past 40+ years but considering that any infected droplet would have to travel from the sick person’s nose and mouth to the healthy person’s nose and mouth out of all possible trajectories I would think the rubbing of the nose would be a more efficient way to pass the illness.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

Yes but there has to be a medium via which the virus is transferred. And if a person infected with coronavirus isn't a snot factory then what is the medium ?

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

It seems that the coronavirus replicates in huge numbers in the throat (that was found in Germany a few days ago), about 1,000 times more than other coronavirus. Probably because of the amount of virus produced, it's contagious even before you cough or sneeze.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

What just by breathing ?

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Every time you exhale, you breathe out moisture in the form of tiny droplets.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

Very tiny droplets that would very quickly dry out. I'm not buying it unless this coronavirus is something new under the sun.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Another thing, the main mechanism of contagion doesn't seem to be floating droplets, but the virus staying in surfaces. You touch it, then you touch your face, that's how it (mostly) transmits.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

At the risk of repeating myself:

Yes but there has to be a medium via which the virus is transferred. And if a person infected with coronavirus isn't a snot factory then what is the medium ?

Coronavirus seems in most people to be a dry illness.

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

No snot does not equal dry.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

No snot means people aren't blowing their nose and getting their hands covered in snot then touching and contaminating surfaces. No sneezing and no snot means no big droplets expelled into the air. Got anything else ?

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

Your making a basic assumption. The virus doesn't require snot being projected everywhere in order to be transmitted.

You are contaminating surfaces all the time regardless of snot.

"Dry" coughs expel air which is full of moisture. Your skin on your nose and face is layered with moisture.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

Dry coughs would expel very tiny droplets of moisture which would be much less likely to infect people not 1,000 times more likely. It doesn't make sense.

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

It's not different. Just more vicious.There's a much higher fatality rate among people (medics, priests etc) working with those that are highly symptomatic (lots of snot), even though they don't have underlying health problems, due to the larger dose they're being exposed to. If that makes you feel better.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

No you presenting yourself as an expert doesn't make me feel better. And no I won't take your word for it.

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

No expertise. Just passing on the same elementary facts that kukuxu is providing without drawing insults. Your basic assumptions have been refuted by two people now. TTFN.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

"Refuted" by two amateurs motivated by who knows what ? Big deal.

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

I'm not the one who started a thread on a basic false assumption. It doesn't take expertise to point out the basics.

It takes even less humility to just accept you were mistaken. But you don't seem to even have that.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

Your basic flaw is that you insist that you are right despite having proven nothing.

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

I need to offer "proof" that you assumed viruses need snotty coughs in order to infect other people?

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

You'll have to do better than cheap ridicule. Try actually coming up with an argument above the level of a 12 year old.

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

A 12 year old would hesitate to cite their lack of understanding
as proof of a conspiracy.

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[–] Keelai (31765) 4 years ago

I've repeatedly become sick by having people with colds just talking or breathing close to me. Even my taking one breath in is enough for me to get sick. Maybe I have a very sensitive nose, but their breath smells differently too so I can usually tell how sick a person is and who gave me the cold.

When people breathe or talk, virus is released in the air from their saliva (water vapor).

People are still contagious after they've recovered from the cold (no symptoms) for a few days afterward.

As for the Coronavirus, I'm doing my best to keep 6 ft away. If someone walks pass me on the street especially if they're talking or jogging (breathing heavy), I look away, hold my breath and close my eyes.

The reason why Coronavirus is so contagious right now is because we literally have no immunity against it unlike the cold or flu. Think of it like small pox and we are Native Americans. Europeans had immunity so would largely survive while whole tribes were wiped out.

Also, this new version of the coronavirus is very strong. A doctor said it will likely mutate to a weaker strain in a few years.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

God another self appointed nay saying "expert"! This thread is full or them. So how do you know you were infected by their breath rather than by them contaminating a surface that you touched ? The answer is you don't.

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[–] Keelai (31765) 4 years ago

Of course, I do:

Why people smell when they're sick
https://www.medexpress.com/about/newsroom/press-releases-media-coverage/medexpress-people-smell-when-sick.html

"A new study suggests that sickness does actually have a unique odor — that of the overactive immune system. And other humans can actually smell when someone is fighting off an infection."
https://www.businessinsider.com/we-can-smell-the-ramped-up-immune-system-of-sick-people-2014-1

My respiration system is super sensitive. Big difference bet. a cough from a cold and just a cough. I get colds 95% from breathing in germs. A few times from some idiot preparing my food who had a cold.

I wash my hands constantly. Not possible to get a cold unless you touch something contaminated and touch your face which I never do.

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[–] Catbookss (13664) 4 years ago

"If someone walks pass me on the street especially if they're talking or jogging (breathing heavy), I look away, hold my breath and close my eyes."

I've been doing this.

Last night in line at the grocery store, even though we were spaced supposedly 6' apart, there was a man right ahead of me who kept turning around and talking to another man 2 people behind me. Which meant he had to speak with more effort than usual.

Every time he did that I turned to face away from him. Finally he stopped, thank god.

The point being there's still too much about this particular virus we don't know, and it makes sense to me that under the conditions you and I described a microscopic virus could float in the air long and far enough to land on us.

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[–] Keelai (31765) 4 years ago

I've been trying to avoid lines and crowded stores for that reason. Some people have no common sense.

Even the mask aren't 100% because a virus can go through the material. Now, I'm noticing people who wear them have a false sense of security and aren't keeping 6 ft away.

I think they provide a little protection, but I'd still keep 6 ft way and wash hands frequently.

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[–] Catbookss (13664) 4 years ago

Most of the people I'm seeing wearing a mask are being good about maintaining distance. In fact it seemed to me they were even more concerned about it than those who weren't.

Right, the masks aren't to prevent the virus from entering or leaving through it but to prevent the droplets they're in from doing either. I would have felt a lot better about that man talking if he'd been wearing one.

Everyone keeps saying the #1 and #2 best things you can do are wash your hands thoroughly and frequently, and don't touch your face. Makes sense to me.

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[–] Keelai (31765) 4 years ago

And stay in the house.

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[–] Catbookss (13664) 4 years ago

That I can't do. I've got a dog who needs to be walked. But I stay clear of people, unless it's time for a store run.

Getting lots of rest is also important. Keeping our immune systems in the best shape we can. Some exercise helps too.

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[–] ducksoup (3933) 4 years ago

Yeah, the jerks who jog right by you when there's plenty of room for them to job 6' around are the worst. (Well, not the absolute worst, but the relative worst. Okay, okay, let's just say they're not good.)

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Normal breathing. The virus is so efficient infecting people that normal breathing seems to be enough

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8055401/Coronavirus-1-000-times-infectious-SARS-scientists-warn.html

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

So coronavirus is something new under the sun. Curious. Perhaps it is a Chinese bioweapon after all.

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

You'll only believe it's as infectious as is being reported, and which there's evidence for, as long as you can insinuate a conspiracy. Hmm.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

And you will deny deny deny...

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

Deny what?

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

Stonewalling

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

Not interested in your gay rights stories. Stay on topic thanks.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

You seem to have a lot invested in this. Curious.

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[–] Mrmojo4700 (20402) 4 years ago

Quasi, are you active on the politics board?

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

No they should call it the Trump Board. It's a mess.

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

If pointing out one basic fact means investing to you, OK.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Not necessarily. It could be just evolution. Virus must face natural selection, the same than any other organism. If they don't bring anything new under the sun, chances are they'll fail to spread and won't survive.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

One thousand times more infectious is one hell of an evolutionary jump.

If they don't bring anything new under the sun, chances are they'll fail to spread and won't survive.

That just isn't true. If the novel coronavirus used more or less the same mechanism for infection as the other coronaviruses it would do just fine.

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

Thank you professor expert in evolutionary biology and virology. How exactly does a new virus that's the same as existing ones find a niche for itself?

Which school teaches that there's never anything new under the sun anyway?

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[–] Keelai (31765) 4 years ago

Viruses mutate all the time. The reason why people need a different flu virus each year is because it mutates. The reason why we don't have a vaccine against the common cold is because there are too many mutations to effectively create a vaccine.

Coronavirus likely mutated and jumped from an animal to human. Only one mutation is enough for that to have happened. That's not uncommon. Scientists and doctors have been warning against a possible pandemic because of how common it is.

More bad news. It's not enough to control coronavirus just in the U.S. or Europe. It needs to be controlled worldwide including poor countries because it's still mutating. It only needs ONE mutation and it could become something much deadlier.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

Thanks for your expert input Professor.

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

The OP is a troll. They started this thread based on their expert opinion that the virus can't spread without lots of snotty coughs and then insults people who point out that this basic assumption is flawed to begin with.

Actually. They only insult some of the people who do that. One particular poster did that and it looks like they might be getting a room. Funny that.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Ok

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[–] missnat (1172) 4 years ago

I'm not buying either that it's spread just by coughing or sneezing,the fact that it's worldwide so quickly,there's something weird about the whole thing.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Quickly???

The virus was started to spread in Wuhan in December. We're in April.

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[–] missnat (1172) 4 years ago

That's still a quick time, I believe it might be airborne or something because they really don't want us to go outside.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

It's not quick at all. The Spanish flu was much quicker.

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[–] Keelai (31765) 4 years ago

Yes, it is airbourne and spread through breathing and talking too. Also, if you touch something with the virus on it like a doorknob and touch your eyes, nose or mouth then you can get it.

The cold and flu don't spread to everyone because some people have immunity or have taken a flu vaccine so there are many people in the population who can't become sick.

The cornavirus is different because EVERYONE can become sick. That's why it's spreading exponentially.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIGhz3uwuQ&feature=youtu.be&t=200

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[–] missnat (1172) 4 years ago

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[–] Who (5146) 4 years ago

Because people have disgusting habits and CV is a microscopic virus that can travel up to 27’ feet in the air

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/490559-is-six-feet-enough-distance-to-keep-you-from

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/coronavirus/six-feet-may-not-be-enough-to-prevent-coronavirus-spread-mit-professor-says/2100589/

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[–] 102000 (6126) 4 years ago

And those studies are done in a controlled environment. Really not at all the same as just being out in public.

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[–] zeesha (1752) 4 years ago

Good question and I believe scientists are still trying to figure it out. This article may have some clues: https://www.livescience.com/how-long-coronavirus-last-surfaces.html

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[–] Martoto (4071) 4 years ago

It's spreading like a virus.

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[–] zeesha (1752) 4 years ago

They concluded that if this new coronavirus resembles other human coronaviruses, such as its "cousins" that cause SARS and MERS, it can stay on surfaces — such as metal, glass or plastic — for as long as nine days (In comparison, flu viruses can last on surfaces for only about 48 hours.)

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[–] L1 (1316) 4 years ago

YOu have the whole blood drinking thing from the satanic world. It is so real Horrifically real.

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