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Nazi spies in England prior WWII were shocked at living conditions


So many lived in poverty and squalor, but Germany, with its nice villages, homes, way of life, lived much better.

They reported this back to Germany.

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It was called the Great Depression.

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You know hownos, Iā€™m grateful you are on this board. You are a learned man among others who are able to post a fact succinctly. You beat me on this! šŸ‘šŸ» A man of few words, but one who gets the point across.

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The master poster.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTBYksnK7N0

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When the cold, hard facts are not allowed to be spoken, either due to the ruling party in question fearing criticism, or when trying to speak the truth to those who don't care about it (online trolls and legit peddlers), comedy is the way to having a voice.

In real life, that was one of the few methods Germans could bad mouth Hitler and the Nazis without raising too much suspicion, by the use of subtext or double meaning discreetly hidden in messages.

~~/o/

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That was (is) the opinion of Mel Brooks, though he did not have to risk it at that time or place. Mockery!!!!

Maybe sometimes you had to be extremely drunk to mock...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt0mLLE74mo&t=1m0s

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May I assume they were also shocked when the Allied Forces blasted the hell of their Third Reich and Germany had to unconditionally surrender?

I hope they had a moment to report back to Germany before our boys set Germany ablaze

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A sad but true story!

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The top brass of the Third Reich, after the doubtful but successful invasion of France, never again considered the repercussions their inhumane actions and incredible lack of civil wartime conduct would backfire on Germany should the tide of the conflict turn against them.

It did by January/February 1943 when Operation Barbarossa in the Soviet Union was finally halted during the hellish bloodbath of Stalingrad.

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They really bet the farm on that 'Aryan Superman' nonsense...bad bet

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(1 minute read. Short version: skip to paragraph 3)

For the United States, who actually didn't care for reparations in the Treaty of Versailles the same as Great Britain and France did, it meant becoming a huge money lender for Germany to loan from in order to pay on their overwhelming debts. It helped that post-World War I US relations with Germany were not as bitter compared to the other belligerents. Also, the large German American community which provided strong cultural links between the two, bridging the gap in any animosity.

In defense of GB and FR, other than the scores of raw numbers of lives Russia lost in the eastern European front, the British and French were determined to ensure all their soldier's lives were not in vain (it seemed justified at the time, doing most of the fighting).

Big department store chains were coming to Germany, boosted by American industry. This was great for German traders and commercial businesses in the urban areas but not good for German farmers, who benefited from financial inflation that made it easier to pay their property and agricultural lots in the countryside. Now their lands would be devalued by a recovering economy but very little actual innovation. This meant subpar food harvests.

Basically, the rich were taken care first since fixing the economy came initially in order to stabilize Germany during so many emerging coups and rebellions (Hitler's failed 1923 attempt for instance). This was possible since Germany's military was still intact despite being greatly cut in size, enjoying popular support across the nation (not to mention the Red Army Soviets gaining traction in neighboring Czarist Russia, causing uncertainty too).

Though, being so heavily dependent on American capital meant that when the U.S. stock market crashed in 1929, Germany went down with it in shock and panic.

A lot of this info came from the TIME GHOST HISTORY YouTube channel:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4DBfKNpE-dc

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Very thoughtful post. But I do miss--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuKQf9p5jg

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Hahaha!

Being laughed at for all eternity as a fool seems like a fair way to go in his case.

Edit (10-17-2019):

Foreword from "The story of the White Rose: Shattering the German Night (1st ed.) by Annette E. Dumbach and Jud Newborn, published 1986.

-- Even before Adolf Hitler took power, enduring the twelve brutal years of National Socialist rule, there existed what is known as "the other Germany." Its voice was not the prevailing one -- at times it was weakened and nearly choked off -- but those individuals who sang with vibrant clarity while the world around them was shouting shared an energy, grace, and courage unsurpassed anywhere.

Statistics are inaccurate guides to reality, but sometimes we have very little else. One million Germans are said to have passed through the concentration camps and prisons; according to conservative estimates, at least 40,000 Germans were killed in the Nazi terror, 15,000 of them civilians executed for political crimes.

To the German men and women who resisted, this book is dedicated.

"Not in the flight of thought
But in the act alone is there freedom."
-- Dietrich Bonhoeffer, from "Stations on the Way to Freedom, written in prison, July 1944

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I saw a doco back in the 80's before PC fever was a thing. They interviewed English women who lives in Germany during Hitler's reign before and during the war.

They all commented how safe society was and they never felt fearful.

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Violence in Europe used to be political. Western people can be extremely violent when there's a political motive, and law abiding and pacific the rest of the time, specially in Germanic and Scandinavian countries.

Actually, that hasn't changed. Right now most of non-political violence in Europe is caused by non-western people: that's the big elephant that nobody wants to talk about. In France, for example, 70% of prison inmates are Muslim. And taking into account that you have non-Muslim immigration too (sub-Saharan, for example), you could guess that 90% of crime in France is caused by non-ethnic French people. Germany, Sweden, UK, Austria, Spain, it's no different.

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That's racist !

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