Do You Believe the Earth is Flat and Why?
Are there are any Flat Earth believers who can discuss their beliefs?
shareAre there are any Flat Earth believers who can discuss their beliefs?
shareI'm not a flat-earther, but can you prove that Earth is round without using secondary sources like books and pictures? In other words, can you use science to prove to yourself that the Earth is round?
shareI cant see mount everest.
shareAlso good!
shareMount Everest is too far too see because of the pollution and atmosphere according to them.
shareWell thats better than the bullshit I thought they would come up with, which is that mount everest is a lie as well lol.
shareYes they also claim the sun gets farther away and never actually rises/sets, contrary to a lifetime of experience.
The same is supposed to be true of the moon as well, despite both seeming even larger closer to the level of the horizon.
Plus if they got further away, shadows would prove it. Shadows prove otherwise.
So does sunlight, which hits the bottoms of clouds when the bottoms are angled toward it.
If anyone angles their bottoms at me, ladies only please.
Would there be phases of the moon if the Earth was flat? What about eclipses? How would tides work?
shareI know a Flat Earther. He says the Earth can't be round because we'd fall off. The moon isn't physical, just a light source like the sun. Part of its light is turned off or down to create "phases". I didn't ask about tides.
sharePersonally, I can just observe the Sun and planes. Flat Earthers believe the Sun circles over the Earth. If so, then the Sun would become smaller like a plane instead of staying the same size and heading below or above the horizon.
Nice!
shareHow does the sun circle the earth? How do they explain what happens when the sun sets and disappears? Do they think it goes under the earth and resurfaces on the other side?
I know I'm going to regret asking this 🙂
The sun travels only above the earth in a circular motion.
The sun doesn't set. It only travels farther away to the other side of the earth.
I explained to the flat earther that there is a difference between a plane that flies away and becomes smaller (crossing the sky) and a sun that travels downward and stays the same size. He has willful ignorance and refuses to acknowledge the obvious difference. He is literally ignoring a lifetime of watching sunsets and sunrises.
What I mean is I'm assuming they believe the sun somehow circles the earth, or goes across the sky. How do they explain what happens to the sun at night? Or the moon for that matter. Do they believe they go *under* the flat earth and reappear at the other side?
Trying to fathom what they believe makes my head hurt.
Night is when the sun is above the countries on the other side of the Earth.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnD0xxi-Wz2l7riq3lCb_BF1iQ6t3IeZbDGvbSf6v3xgDDYedZ
The documentary "Behind the Curve" (2018) is a pretty entertaining look at the subject with an absolutely killer ending.
shareI'm going to watch it. Thanks.
shareTell me what you think when you have.
shareWill do.
shareI finally saw "Behind the Curve". I wish the film had more about their beliefs. I also thought the craftsman was very talented. I'm not surprised about the ending. They only want confirmation for their incorrect belief. The flat earther I know does the same thing. Bring up proof that he's wrong and he pretends it doesn't exist or tries to explain it away.
"The 10 Things That All Flat Earthers Say"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyD8VIK032o
The flat earther I know repeats ""density and buoyancy", "water is level" "gravity doesn't exist" and "water doesn't curve".
I agree it should've had more on their beliefs.
Good video and one of dozens that dismantle flat earth nonsense.
It strikes me that what's driving flat earthers isn't truth but a psychological need of some kind. Never seen one fluent in science which should come as no surprise.
Thanks for getting back.
The film appeared to suggest the psychological need was people who want to belong to a group or feel special. I have the impression that's what's going on with the flat earther I know. He's also very anti-authority and knows zip about science.
Film Update:
Patricia Steere in the film deleted all of her social media accounts last month and disappeared. I was able to find a recent interview stating she left because of bullying from other flat earth vloggers. She also had a falling out with Mark Sargeant. She left all the toxicity.
Yeah, a doctor did advance that theory, something they're not conscious of.
The infighting, jealousy, paranoia and the like is an interesting aspect of the community as the film showed it.
"The 10 Things That All Flat Earthers Say"
That was hilarious and I've never dipped a toe into the flat earthers thing.
When did this start, anyway? People are nuttier than they used to be. Thanks, interwebs.
The belief has been around for a while and had only a few followers left. Youtube and other social media revived it in the past decade.
shareWatching it now, only about 30 minutes in. but I'm really glad they brought up the Dunning–Kruger effect. I think that that applies to so many people in so many different ways today.
Also, that Nathan Thompson seems like he has some issues. I watched the Starbucks video, and yeah, a little cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
I am looking forward to the ending.
*edit*
I have now finished, and it really left me feeling sad. I think that society is getting to the point where reality doesn't mean a damn thing to more and more people, not just flat earthers. I also was expecting more people to be at the convention.
Do they fall off the edge?
shareNo, because Antarctica surrounds the Earth. There is a tall 150 feet wall surrounding Antarctica which prevents the water from pouring off the Earth. Nobody is allowed to travel where they want which have armed guards to keep people from the edge.
There are some people who believe Antarctica extends to infinity while others believe we are in an enclosed dome.
When I was a teen I took a ferry from Rochester, NY to Toronto, On. At the port in Rochester you cannot see the Toronto skyline with binoculars. As you travel northwest from Rochester, you start to see the tops of the taller buildings. Then as you approach Toronto, you start to see more of the buildings. The same would be true if you were approaching Chicago on Lake Michigan.
shareFlatearthers are dumb and don't know history or science.
shareDo people seriously think the Earth is flat?????? Do they have their heads up their butts?
shareAbsolutely. No amount of proof will convince them they're wrong. Provide proof and they want more or pretend they didn't hear it.
I think it provides a psychological or emotional need since they believe they're among the precious few who know the truth about the government's cover-up. It's basically a conspiracy theory mindset.
Some people do, but I think the majority are trolls who are trying to get a rise out of people.
shareI could swear in the mid80s I read in Air & Space magazine something about people who refuse to believe that fixed wing aircraft exist.
shareThey are just a bunch of contrarian trolls who crave attention and have no talent, skills or achievements to speak of so they resort to being clowns.
shareI don't believe it is flat. I've listened to their arguments and they haven't proven their case. I am open to their arguments but many things are just hunches and oddities. Like the moon's light is cooler than being in a shadow at night. That's bizarre. But what does that prove? It doesn't prove the earth is flat.
I did learn from their accounts that there aren't really any photographs of earth. What we have seen are satellite strip photos, glued together over a spherical image. It's guess work. That to me is really bizarre. Why don't we have one HD photo of earth?
That's not true. The first photo taken from space was using a 35mm camera in 1946.
https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/the-first-photograph-of-earth-taken-from-space
1969 photo taken by astronaut Michael Collins. He took others too.
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/michael-collins-picture-1969/
HD nor digital cameras existed in those days. I assume only 35mm film cameras.
The flat earther I know doesn't believe in satellites.
I mean a HD photo of earth from a nice distance.
And as for no satellites, that's crazy, I've seen one orbiting with my own eyes.
Big Blue Marble photo taken in 1972 by the Apollo 17 crew near the moon.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/blue-marble-image-of-the-earth-from-apollo-17
Satellites can't orbit a flat Earth.
Take a look at the photos from Himawari-8:
https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/
Himawari-8 is a Japanese weather satellite that is in a geostationary orbit at a Lagrange point far enough out that it is able to take full, hi-resolution images of the entire earth. These are not satellite strip photos or any form of composite image; these are single-shot images of the full sphere of the earth. Even better... a new image is taken by the satellite every 10 minutes! That means there are, from this one satellite alone, 144 images of the full sphere of the earth taken every day.
Because this updates so frequently, and you can zoom in quite close, it is possible to confirm that the weather patterns and cloud cover from the images conforms to the images of the same systems you can get from ground-based weather tracking, confirming the images are real and not some kind of "Photoshopped" representation of the Earth.
I also believe there is an American GOES weather satellite that does the same thing as Himawari-8, but the resolution is not as good. There are plans to put up a new GOES satellite in the near future that will have the same hi-res capabilities of Himawari-8, but focused on the North American hemisphere.
Just as with anything, those that are steadfast in the "Earth is flat" mindset will also disavow these images, again believing they are all CGI... but when people are that far down the rabbit hole, nothing is going to change their minds.
Take a look at the website I included above. It really is quite fascinating!
That's not a live shot of the earth. It's still satellite imagery processed around a 3D globe. Satellites aren't that far away from earth.
shareInto... that would be incorrect. Himawari-8 orbits at a distance of 22,000+ miles, enough that it can capture the entire sphere of the Earth every 10 minutes. By comparison, the ISS orbits at a mere 250 miles.
Here is some far more technical information:
http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Real%2DColor+images+of+the+earth+from+the+satellite+Himawari+%28JMA%29
Even the fastest moving satellites are not moving quickly enough to scan an entire hemisphere of the Earth and stitch together images once every 10 minutes, 24-hours per day, every day.
Yes, it is a satellite image... but is an actual image and not one of several strips of images stitched together.
If this is true, why do scientists say that the earth isn't a perfect sphere? It's pear shaped according to some. That means that they don't even think this image is correct.
shareThe technical term for the shape of the Earth is “oblate spheroid”, which is a shape like a sphere, but slightly flattened at the poles.
However, the flattening of the poles for the Earth is extremely slight: the diameter of the Earth, pole-to-pole, is 7,900 miles, while the diameter at the equator is 7,926 miles. That 26 mile bulge at the equator is far too small to be seen with the naked eye... but can be demonstrated to exist on the Himawari-8 images:
http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Can+we+see+the+Oblateness+of+the+Earth+on+Satellite+Images%3F
The “pear-shaped” analogy arose due to the fact that the bulge is slightly more pronounced in the Southern Hemisphere, and because astronomers were referring to Asian pears, which are oblate spheroids, and not English pears, which have the particular pear shape you are thinking of.
Here’s another site, with half a dozen contributors, that explains this in more detail, complete with illustrations:
https://www.quora.com/If-Earth-is-pear-shaped-why-do-all-of-NASAs-photos-of-Earth-show-a-perfect-sphere
I hope that explains things for you!
Really nice time elapsed video. But, I'll guarantee that my flat earther colleague will say it's a nice "special effect" done on a computer.
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