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MovieChat.org makes some news


An article from www.wired.co.uk dated May 26, 2019. Jim Smith is interviewed and speaks about the origins of the site. Jim also discusses the Trump board, the Brie Larson board and the ongoing battle with trolls. Two of the mods are also quoted in the article - Mod4 and another mod named Scott.


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/moderators-movie-chat-imdb

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One slight inaccuracy:

The topic from the Shrek board mentioned in the second paragraph was created two months ago. It never appeared on the IMDB forums, counter to what the author implies by mentioning it in the same breath as proper old IMDB posts.

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You are correct. They even put the post count after the poster's name.

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Yup, that's the telltale sign of a MovieChat username.

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Neat! Thanks

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Did you read the whole thing ?

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yes.

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Fair enough

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why do you ask ?

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No reason

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if this site gets too big, it will go out the way of imdb,

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Seems like a perfectly written article for 2019.

Despite the lecturing and censoring tone of the article, I am really thankful for this site, especially after IMDb flushed everyone down the toilet (I will never visit that site again. I posted on the boards for over 12 years. I will not visit ANY site that removes public discussion.)

I don't see a ton of issues on these boards, but then again, I have a spine and can handle supposed "mean and naughty language", and I realize if something actually offends me I have every right to ignore the person, not respond to the person, log off the site, and go about my day, instead of tattling to moderators like I'm in kindergarten.

Either way, I really enjoy the site, and hope it stays up, corruption free (well, as much as it can be the bigger it gets) and continues to allow movie nuts like myself to discuss and debate film.

Cheers!

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you make some good points.

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“I have a spine and can handle supposed "mean and naughty language"

IMO, in a most humble way, the reason we have the camaraderie we do, is because we don’t tolerate flaming. We also don’t tolerate “socks” who try to stir the caca. You may be OK with and tolerate ad hominem attacks along with the f-bombs, but many of us prefer a fun insightful board. Oh, we get risqué and can be “naughty” with double entendres, but gutter language is not the norm. I myself don’t use the f-bomb, don’t like hearing it, or reading it, but I try to overlook it (with a grimace) when someone is pissed off...it’s not the person’s usual vernacular. Just sayin’ 😌

BTW, we don’t need to tattle to the Mods. They see all 👀 and are fair in their judgements.

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Hey, no problem. We all have our lines. I have no problem with a fun insightful board either, but yeah, the language and insults don't bother me at all either. It's hard for me to take someone I'll never meet on the internet too personally. I guess that's why it's up to the moderators to decide what is considered "offensive". I'm just happy the site is here after IMDb destroyed the discussion.

My computer lingo isn't the greatest, what is "flaming" again? I think sock accounts are fake accounts, or if a person has more than one account, right?

As for tattling to the mods, even if they do see all, every once in a while I'll see a response to someone's message that just says "reported". I just shake my head and laugh. Those are the "tattlers" I am referring to.

Have a good day.

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I have tried to get away from a lot of the political crap. There is so much hypocrisy and blind bias and selective sourcing and name-calling, it's obvious these people aren't trying to address policy issues seriously.
But sometimes I crack. I went to the Biden site and some dork starts calling him a pedo. I get incensed at that sort of stuff. So I replied, "You're a pedo ! How does that feel? Aren't there MC rules and laws against this sort of thing?"
Later I thought, shit, I might get called on this.
But it's so bogus that people feel they can exaggerate how Biden seems to like to touch and hug people. People actually do need human contact. If Biden looks like a doof for being too folksy and down-to-earth, fine. But calling him a pedo is going too far, even if he is a public figure.

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To YOU, calling him that is too far.

That's your line.

That's what I'm saying about getting offended on message boards, and in general. Everyone has a different line when it comes to humor and what's tolerable and offensive.

I recommend you and kspkap watch the film "The People vs. Larry Flynt". Great film about this topic.

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And snepts has a posting history with numerous snide and cheap shots at other posters, which coincides with what Mod4 said earlier about pots that call the kettle black.

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Glad you are keeping track and have truck with the Mods. Being snide is one thing and being hateful and bigoted is another. Sure I think I can toss off a well executed observation occasionally, but I don't try to aggressively demonize the creepy influence Trump has brought upon this once great country. Mostly I react to the garbage I see here.

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Yes, I am maintaining a watchful eye. As was mentioned in the article, there's a certain amount of "self-policing" that goes on here. And why are you drawing Trump into this when he has nothing to do with it ? That in itself is also very telling.

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I recommend you and kspkap watch the film "The People vs. Larry Flynt". Great film about this topic.


Great film and the the actual landmark case study is interesting as well. But it's not comparing apples to apples with this message board. Larry Flint was publishing his own magazine and the question at hand was whether the government could censor him (and if he could be sued for offensive satire regarding a public figure). This is a private message board where we have all agreed to a set of standards before posting. Violations of those standards can result in deleted posts/suspension/banning.

I don't envy the mods for having to decide which reported posts get deleted and which don't but we need to be careful not to confuse deleted posts with freedom of speech/press because they are not one in the same. Just as you are free to speak freely you may not be able to do so when you are a guest in someone's house. If you say things that are not up to snuff with the standards set by the property owner, you may be asked to leave. Posting here is like being a guest in someone's house and agreeing to abide by their house rules.

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So the telephone company could just set a "Terms of Service" that Jews are not allowed to use phones? This is why we have anti-discrimination law. You don't know what you're talking about. Free speech is a horrible thing. The only people who support free speech are racist assholes, because that's the only kind of speech we censor. Stop pretending you're in favor of that. Be proud of censorship. It's a concept not a law.

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So the telephone company could just set a "Terms of Service" that Jews are not allowed to use phones? This is why we have anti-discrimination law. You don't know what you're talking about. Free speech is a horrible thing. The only people who support free speech are racist assholes, because that's the only kind of speech we censor. Stop pretending you're in favor of that. Be proud of censorship. It's a concept not a law.


Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. Nothing I said in my above post would indicate I believed a telephone company could set a "Terms of Service" that would allow for the discrimination of Jewish people, so your example makes no sense as a response to my post. A telephone company is a business offering a service in exchange for a fee. Religion is a protected class and discrimination based on it (as set in your example) would be a prohibited act.

Freedom of speech is a freedom from government oppression of speech, and yes I am greatly in favor of such a freedom even if it affords some people the right to say things I find repugnant on a personal level. If someone wants to spout off a racist diatribe, they may do so and the U.S. government will not lock them up for it. However, no private industry has to put up with that behavior by their employees or by guests on their property. This message board is set up and owned by someone who set standards for behavior that we agree to abide by. This can include limiting what you are allowed to say on this forum. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech and everything to do with following the guidelines for this online community.

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Real easy to locate the meaning of flaming in reference to online chat boards. First up and it seems I was fairly on point. Common sense and civil discourse go a long way in making an online chat board successful. We don’t need insults and gutter language. This board once had a guy who was so opposite from me on the political spectrum. We differed about so many things, but we were respectful of each other.

As for me, if an argument ensues over an issue, there’s no sense in prolonging the debate. I’ve decided it’s like arguing with the wall....arguing with an unknown entity typing on a keyboard behind a monitor. I more than likely will back off and if ad hominem attacks were hurled at me I put them on Ignore. I don’t need them...I don’t want to deal with the type. As I wrote, and believe, we have a good set of Mods. I will not stand for being called foul names. We do a fairly good job of “moderating” ourselves. Posters have called other posters to task for needlessly “flaming”. I have been flamed and without “tattling”, as you refer to it, the Mods have taken care of the situation without any input from me.

Flaming:Flaming is the online act of posting insults, often laced with profanity or other offensive language on social networking sites. This term should not be confused with the term trolling, which is the act of someone going online, or in person, and causing discord.

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Thank you for the definition. I was aware I could look it up. Just figured I'd ask while having a conversation.

Fair enough. I choose to not get upset when insults are hurled at me at an online messsge board, and instead find them pretty funny and enjoy the back and forth. You don't. To each their own.

I like the moderator's comment down below these comments. Very true statement. I guess I just have a higher tolerance for profanity, and a darker sense of humor than most on here. I certainly don't insult many people on here, though there have been times, but to me it's all in the fun of the debate.

The topic of what's right and what's wrong, what's censorship and what isn't, and what's offensive and what isn't will be going on for the rest of time. It's a good discussion piece in itself.

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Catbookss has almost 10,000 posts and not a single one is about movies. Why haven't you reported her?

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No rule against not posting about movies. As you have only 7 posts as of this moment and have targeted both me and Catbooks in those posts, I have to wonder what account you are a sock puppet for? You seem to have an agenda and posting about movies certainly doesn't seem to be it.

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I see we have a new Troll attempting to stir the caca! Or a new Sock! Just what in the h**l is your problem? Go crawl back under the bridge where you trolls live! 🤬

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Definitely a new sock. He came straight for this thread which I don't think a brand new poster (troll or not) would have done.

EDIT to add: My guess is EthanEdwards since the new sock is calling out the moderators in this thread for being inefficient or biased which is pretty much what Ethan was doing as well. Add to that how little Ethan has posted over the past few days and I think we have a winner.

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You very well could be correct. I just re-read the replies. Ethan was writing his displeasure with MC’s moderators. He let me have it with both barrels by stating I was “licking the moderators’ boots”.

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Pretty sure if either Ethan or the new sock are criticizing you, you're doing something right lol

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I never for a minute believed that guy's claims of having been a moderator, especially multiple times.

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Looks like sometime in the last hour or two, EthanEdwards deleted his account (unless he was banned and the mods did it). Wonder if he realizes that deleting your account doesn't delete your posts..

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Good riddance to another obnoxious and disruptive presence here !

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Agreed. And I also didn't believe his claim of having been a moderator.

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linky no worky

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that might explain it.

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He's on tour this year. I just saw a commercial for it about 5 minutes ago.

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Yeah. Looks to be just some stops in Western Canada.

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he was a very handy guy

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If the text reads "[deleted]" where the name once was, that means they self-deleted. Can't say I'm sorry to see him go, and I didn't buy he was a moderator either. Unless it was on a forum for one.

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Ah that makes sense. Not sorry to see him go either but willing to bet he'll be back. Not sure if anyone disappears for good around here, we just put on a cheap disguise and try to blend back in haha

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I think you're right, it's EthanEdwards, who's taken a dislike to me. Funnily, if he'd taken even a cursory look at my posting history just over the past few days, he'd have seen most of my posts are about movies or TV. But hey, who cares about what's true and what isn't, right?

Funny he immediately took swipes at you and Ksp too, and the mods!

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The moderators also figured it out immediately and responded to him with:

[–] Moderator3 (938) 2 hours ago
What you think I believe is irrelevant. Your creating a sock to troll is relevant.

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I'd ask if/why Ethan took a dislike to you too, but at this point it's all water under the bridge, since he's self-deleted his account ;)

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Yeah if you'd like to see my interactions with him where he called me a bigot and an imbecile, it was in the thread below. Some of his nastier posts toward me were deleted. I seem to be slipping further and further back toward posting about politics...maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment lol

https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/5cfef39cc9b49d62dcd600f6/One-of-the-biggest-problems-with-society?reply=5d01da3dcca1ba0ec63133c5

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No, no Sam, don't do it! That way lies madness and ulcers!

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So true lol

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I read the linked article you posted. I would say without a doubt the ADL and The Atlantic Magazine are anti-Trump.

The ADL states the Parkland shooter was part of a right wing paramilitary group, but....
“....local law enforcement says that as yet there is no indication of any ties between Cruz and any paramilitary groups, including ROF.”

I take what the ADL, the SPLC state with a grain of salt. To read what they state are Trump’s words, they could be talking about me! These groups take words out of context and write pejorative articles about Trump. Oh, believe me when I say Trump has “Foot in Mouth Disease”. Please Trump just stop! Someone stick a sock in his mouth! Please!

But, these groups and the media have a condition known as “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. It’s evident by the failure of not calling to task the Antifa thugs, the Black Lives Matter group spewing their hateful rhetoric, the Me Too group, and so many others. Was there a complete apology given to the school kids wearing MAGA hats on a field trip? I didn’t hear one. I would have socked in the face that dead beat liar beating a drum in *my* face!

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First, thanks for a rational response. Second, by no means did I present exhaustive research nor did I really care to. The point I was making to Ethan was that he wasn't being realistic by portraying the left as extremely violent whereas finding no wrong doing on the side of the right.

I also stated very clearly in my posts that I'm disgusted by the behavior of some liberals and extremists can be found in many walks of life. I wish more people on both the left and right would take the time to call out bad behavior on their own side.

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"The point I was making to Ethan was that he wasn't being realistic by portraying the left as extremely violent whereas finding no wrong doing on the side of the right.

I also stated very clearly in my posts that I'm disgusted by the behavior of some liberals and extremists can be found in many walks of life. I wish more people on both the left and right would take the time to call out bad behavior on their own side."

Yes. I feel exactly the same. There really is no excuse for too much of this behaviour, and it doesn't matter whether the person exhibiting it is on the left or the right. Yet those on both sides turn a blind eye most of the time. I do not respect that.

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But, LuxuryInterior is still up and running. Why would little ethan delete himself and not Luxury if one and the same? You did see where little ethan sniped I was licking the Mods boots.

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I don't think LuxuryInterior is still up and running. They haven't posted for hours, and that's not the kind of account that'd stop on their own, if you get my drift.

I did see little ethan sniping at you 🙄

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But, Luxury is little ethan! And...he’s baaaaack!!

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I also happened to wander onto the Politics board and saw he'd returned a mere 2 hours ago (might have been 3 by now) as EthanEdvards 😛

He's a buzzy lil' bee. For someone who kept threatening to leave, he sure does want to stick around awfully bad. Enough to create 2, maybe 3, new accounts!

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Don’t feed it!

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Don’t feed it!

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You're right of course 😬

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Too bad there is nothing about all the trolling and bullying on here. I guess that doesn't matter to the Mods.

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Actually the topics of trolling and bullying are covered in the article.

Selected paragraphs from the article:

“It’s very difficult to moderate,” says Smith. “We want to allow open dialogue and free speech, but it’s very common for people to resort to abuse, hatred and violence when discussing hot-button issues like these. If we take enforcement action against a clear violation of our standards against one party, they accuse us of being biased.”

Smith won’t disclose how many moderators his now two-year-old website has “for security purposes” (in the early days of the site, when there were only two moderators, trolls figured out when the mods would be offline in order to take advantage of their blind spots). Yet he says the team is small and dedicated, and that it is deliberately diverse, comprising a range of ethnicities, ages, and genders.

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Trolling and bullying are difficult to moderate. What may be trolling or bullying to you and me, may be a only difference of opinion or an expression of an opinion to someone else. Often there's no clear line, so it comes down to judgment calls.

We do our best to be fair, and to use a light touch in moderating as reasonable while enforcing MovieChat's rules. Criticism of moderation is inevitable. Some will think we're too strict, others will think we're too slack. Some will think we're biased in one direction, and others will think we're biased in the opposite direction.

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Not to mention that some of those that complain about something said to them, post replies that are just as bad.

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Yeah funny that, I am glad you brought it up. You see if the site had this thing called.. what is it again.. oh yeah Moderators... Those Moderators would take action on the Troll so the person being attacked would know that something actually will be done.

But the way you guys run this site we don't have any faith in that so we fire back. Again, not a great system but it is what you get when you fail to take action.

A site really isn't difficult to moderate, you just need to lay down the law and ban the Trolls and enforce your rules. You would clean up the Political board and Trump thread real quick.

Kind of funny how a movie chat site has such a huge focus on politics anyway. I certainly didn't come here to have political debates. Anyway, your site and you are obviously free to run it as you wish.

Recently you had a prolific troll on here create a thread calling for a member to be banned. That is harassment and bullying. It is trolling. How does that create a harmonious site? Why wasn't that thread deleted and the member warned?

Just some feedback for you.

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We have explained what our remit was for moderating the site.

It's not our job to choose political sides with whoever makes a complaint on the politics board. You don't have to visit it. You don't have to reply to trolls either. They get bored when you ignore them and move along.

We don't read every single post on the site and are only aware of those that get reported if we don't see them ourselves. The majority of things that are reported do not fit into what we regard as removable or ban-worthy.

We have to account for all bans and warnings and we consult other Mods when we are unsure what action to take.

If you see something you regard as harassment then by all means report it, but if someone has a different opinion to or didn't like the same movies or shows as you and says so, that's no reason for reporting them. We get a lot of those.

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" The majority of things that are reported do not fit into what we regard as removable or ban-worthy. "
" The majority of things that are reported do not fit into what we regard as removable or ban-worthy. "
" The majority of things that are reported do not fit into what we regard as removable or ban-worthy. "
" The majority of things that are reported do not fit into what we regard as removable or ban-worthy. "

This cannot be repeated enough. This is a problem.

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I'm not sure how you are meaning this as being 'a problem'.

For us Mods, we get constantly annoyed by reported posts that are only reported because someone didn't like someone else's opinion of a movie/show/person or because someone was being nasty to someone in an argument and they are nasty back to them. Reports of these types are the majority that we receive and as I said, the do not fall into the category that warrant removal.

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I believe our Mod Squad is doing a good and fair in judgement task they put on themselves. They will never please everyone, but we also as posters must do some “policing” ourselves. I’ve seen posters call others to task using a civil tone.

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Sure. You can disagree with someone and still be civil and respectful about it. It sure would make our job much easier than feeling like playground monitors sometimes.

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I wish more people would realise they *can* disagree and still remain civil and respectful about it.

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It would make the world a much happier place. I've had some really good discussions with people who I totally disagree with because they are discussions, not arguments. Neither of us were trying to "win".

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Wouldn't it? That one change would vastly improve the world, and lower blood pressure and increase health all in one fell swoop! 👍

Of course you have, because you're a reasonable, adult person. So true, if "winning" is the point, everyone loses. It's great to have a real discussion. Even if in the end you walk away with the same opinions you had to start, some type of growth is an inevitable outcome.

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I will admit that I'm not perfect and I sometimes let my emotions take over, but I do strive really hard not to.

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Everyone does that sometimes. We are human, after all.

What I've been seeing, even more so over the past few years, is the majority doing that most of the time. Some of them all of the time. This doesn't bode well for us as a society, or as a species.

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I think part of the problem is that so much communication today takes place through text/social media. It's really easy to be rude or mean (or an outright a**hole) when you don't have to look someone in the eye. I long ago decided that I wouldn't say anything to someone online that I wouldn't say to their face. But like you said, I'm human and at times falter.

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To be fair it's not that difficult to create a pleasant forum and you guys are really failing.

You have so many trolls on this site it's not funny. I have been a mod on forums before and you guys are just making excuses. In the end genuine members like myself leave and you are left with trolls only like IMBD V2.

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Perhaps if people ignored the trolls instead of arguing with them, they would have no reason to stay.

We are not here to moderate people's arguments because of their differences of opinion (of which there are many).

We were tasked with keeping a mainly 'hands off' approach unless certain conditions were met.

I would also love to have a pleasant forum and miss not being able to just talk about the things this board was meant for, but if we banned everyone that was complained about, there would be hardly any posters left here. Also, there is too much censorship of opinions that don't fit into a certain narrative going on all over the internet that you should hold on to the few places that still allow it, if you value freedom of speech.

It's easy to sit there and have a go at us for simply doing the job we were tasked with. It's harder to actually do that job when there are posts you would actually love to delete or people you think should be banned, but we stick by the rules we were given. We do it for free and usually for very little thanks. Some of us are grateful for Jim giving us the opportunity to participate on this board.

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Yeah sure that may work but what about Moderators doing their jobs?

Difference of opinion is different to Trolls hurling insults.

Well that hands off approach is not working and your forum suffers for it.

If you don't take action you will lose your genuine posters. Ever considered that?

As I mentioned I have been a moderator on a few forums. It's not as hard as you make it out to be however I can see that the system you are given is broken as well.

It certainly makes for a very hostile forum for what should be a Movie Chat Forum as per the name. It is just sad really as I was on IMDb2 and that site is a real troll haven. I guess MC wants to be the same.

All the best.

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Complain to Jim about it and see if he will review his Moderating policy. We do what was asked of us. We have to differentiate between trolling for trolling's sake and deliberate nastiness. Maybe we don't always get it right but if we removed posts and warned people who were complained about all the time, we would be less popular that we already seem to be.

I am also a moderator on other sites and have to use different forms of moderating there too. On one I am extremely strict when it comes to trolls and others I allow free speech.

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Perhaps your definition of trolling is different?? As Mod4 said, we are tasked with following Jim's rules since it is his site. You're entitled to your opinion about our moderating, but it is Jim's standards we mods must meet. Everyone is welcome to report posts that they feel violate MovieChat's standards, but they need to remember that their standards may differ from those of MovieChat. I assure you there are plenty of posts I personally feel deserve removal, but this isn't my site and if they don't violate MovieChat's standards I must leave them alone.

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I know it's a very hostile site.

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Worry not, Moderators... most of us are actually standing by you and your decisions. If not, we would not be here this long.

I'm 6400-ish strong postcount and keep on posting. Never have warned once, never fed the trolls either. I report and respect whatever action you'd do. It's your job.

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There's a Mod6!

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Yes, and there has been for quite a while. I'm a low-profile secret agent mod.

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Kewl! I feel 16.67% more moderated now, lol.

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Do you get a special low-profile secret agent mod badge or something, to differentiate you from the other, non-low-profile, non-secret agent mods?? (Please say yes, please say yes 😄)

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If I told you it wouldn't be a secret anymore. ;-)

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Rats. Fine, I'm going to pretend you said yes. I've got a 50/50 chance of being right!

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In your opinion we're failing. As you can see the majority don't agree with you.

There are few trolls here. Going by your posts here you're one of the people who believe a troll is someone who holds an opinion you disagree with. If you have been a moderator, that isn't what a good moderator thinks.

Just like IRL everyone here is responsible for their own actions. If someone breaks one of our rules, report the post. If you respond in kind and break a rule, only you are responsible for that.

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No, I believe that people are trolls when all they do is try and start trouble. Although honestly, they are enabled by the Mods.

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I thank you for a thankless job. I have no complaints about our Mod Squad! I think everyone knows what a nasty trouble maker is, how they hurl vile insults....the trollers. Those that have crawled out from under their “bridge”. Their main purpose is to stir the caca. But, there are times when regular posters go off the deep end...not just the trolls. These posters have to be dealt with also.

I’ve posted the following in the past, but every so often it needs to be posted again. Entitled “How Trolls Are Ruining The Internet”

https://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/

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I second that the mods are doing a thankless job.

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I do my best to ignore them. They hate being ignored. As they say, "Don't feed the trolls."

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I third it. And thanks for the good read...feel like there are good reminders for all of us.

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I am a conservative Trump voter therefore I’m tagged with the alt right groups. I hang my head in shame if all is true which was authored in this article. This writer for Time magazine needs to do an update to his biased words. I haven’t read it since it was printed and it scared the bejeebies out of me due to the bullying from the alt right.

The article was written in 2016. Thing is within the almost three years we now have liberal threatening trolls. Shutting down free speech. We now have the Antifa thugs which I refer to as the new “brown shirts”. Conservatives are now being harassed by the alt left. If they don’t like our opinion we are tagged as racists. They are doing their best to shut down businesses which don’t kowtow to their demands. Everyone’s a racist. Everyone is guilty of racism. Black lives matter. Hell my life matters also. I’m a racist because I voted for and support Trump. When does it end? I’m too old and too tired to deal with all of this crap...the Me Too group for another.

I’m against illegal immigration. They should be rounded up and deported as they used to be. File for entry into the US legally. Wait for your turn as those who are patiently waiting. The illegals are receiving all the needs which so many of our own citizens are struggling to receive those needs. Our Border Patrol is too busy changing diapers and caring for the humanitarian needs of those crossing and being caught, therefore they are unable to do the law enforcement they should be doing.

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I haven't read many of ur posts but you seem like a good enough fellow to me. I'm sure we disagree about plenty since I fall on the liberal side of the fence on most issues. I'm not looking to talk you out of your feelings but I'm guessing if we end up posting about the same movie or non-political issue we'd have more in common than we'd initially think. So here's hoping that happens lol

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Actually...I’m a good ‘nuf mam. And an old one at that. The pendulum never seems to settle in the middle, does it? I’m sorry, but what I’m seeing in the liberal wing is so far left I can’t abide by anything being proposed. Socialism over Capitalism? Never! We are a Republic, not a Democracy. ‘Nuf said from me....politics wise.

As far as movies goes you’re probably correct. I think you would best me as I’m not that well versed when it comes to the film industry.

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On behalf of the mod team, thank you.

That is an excellent article. It deserves reposting.

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You are quite welcome, Mod 3 of MC’s great Mod Squad! 👏🏻☺️

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I don't think you believe that. It's just ego stroking, and a good moderator would never allow his users to lick boot. Anybody who sees this will suspect you of preferential treatment because of it. The only way for you to be effective is for you to be seen as credible and impartial. One of the other IMDb offshoots collapsed when it was revealed that one of the moderators was secretly very active as a regular user, and hyper partisan as well.

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What you think I believe is irrelevant. Your creating a sock to troll is relevant.

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I don't know if this is a stupid question or not but is there any rule against operating multiple accounts at one time? I don't know if you even have a way to determine that but I feel like I've seen posters that seem to be having conversations with themselves on certain threads which I assumed was one person with multiple accounts. Is this against any rule here or is it only if they are actively trolling that it becomes a violation?

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It's not a stupid question. There is one member here we're aware does that. I've asked him or her to stop.

In this instance the member created the account for the purpose of trolling, which is a violation of MovieChat's rules.

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We even got a comment from a mod.

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that's the most I have ever heard from them. they do a stand up job imo.

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good point

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