Has Elon Musk lost the plot?
Extraordinary twitter attack over the rescue mission for the stranded boys in Thailand.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44846945
Sure "a paedophile"🙄
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He's just salty nobody cares about his precious mini submarines.
shareSeems the guy knew the caves really well and had given Musk the reasons why the sub wouldn't work.
I wonder if he wanted to swoop in and be the hero, or if he genuinely wanted to help and got annoyed at the rejection of his sub.
An apology might be in order sooner rather than later.
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But nobody cares about kids trapped in a cave either. It wasn't news. We have coal miners trapped in a mine and left to die in America and most people from the cities do not even know about it.
There is clearly something else going on here like with other news stories hand selected by the media. Trayvon Martin was unremarkable local news compared to 10 murders per day in Chicago on any given day. I think they seized it when the police report said it was a white man who killed a black man, but it didn't work out when it was revealed that George Zimmerman was actually Hispanic and maybe even Jewish. So we should understand that media moguls are heartless and do not cry over kids in a cave. They cry over losing an election to Donald Trump and not being able to start more wars for Israel. Madeline Albright even said specifically she thought it was good that we killed 500,000 Iraqi children, and Hillary Clinton called her an idol. Why do you think they care about kids in a cave?
Okay.
shareElon Musk is " Illuminati " so by design much of what he does seems incomprehensible and strange.
Maybe he knows more about the guy than we do?
Thailand is a destination for such things.
It seemed a bit of an odd comment to tell Elon to stick his sub where the sun don't shine?
Why would he say such a thing? Tell him it won't work. Thanks but we don't need your help, something like that. But to essentially tell him to stick his sub up his ass? Very weird behavior imo.
It's even more odd to accuse someone of being a pedophile without any evidence. Thailand is also a very popular destination for (cave) divers. Nothing suspicious about that.
They did politely tell him it wouldn't work and still he had to go on Twitter and bring attention to his invention and his (non-existent) role in the rescue effort. Maybe it's the diver who knows more about how Musk behaved behind the scenes and that's why he made such a crude comment.
Maybe?
Maybe if he tries to sue Elon some evidence will come out?
On the other hand, what did he actually call him? "pedo guy", that essentially means child man.
We know he almost certainly meant pedophile, but that's not what he said, exactly.
He obviously said it because he was mad at having been told to stick his sub where the sun don't shine. But I don't think he would use that particular language without knowing something. Like maybe not just about the guy, but about the whole strange incident.
The diver just said he should stick it where the sun don't shine....like maybe...a cave???
I think Musk is immature enough to use such language without knowing something. This is the guy who dated Amber Heard after that whole drama with Johnny Depp...
Fwiw, I'd gladly take Depp's sloppy seconds with Amber Heard too.
shareDo you have money? Otherwise you don't stand a chance!
sharelolz. I'm not in Johnny's or Elon's league if that's what you mean, few people are.
My point was that I'd have a hard time passing up the opportunity of dating her if that was a realistic possibility. So I can't hold it against Musk for not turning down the opportunity to date her.
Yes, it's clear what part of his body he was thinking with. Not sure if he was thinking at all when he wrote those tweets.
shareIt's clear he wasn't thinking, just reacting to the slight that he should "stick his submarine where it hurts." Dickish thing for Unsworth to say, but it doesn't justify Elon's defamatory response.
No bigee, now Elon will settle with him for an amount that will make this guy's life but for Elon will be like throwing pennies in the jar of a spare changing bum. Everyone wins.
The problem is that Elon just keeps going and going on. I suspect he's struggling with a different kind of issue.
shareListening to him for two and a half hours on Rogan's podcast I never got that sense. He seems like a fairly normal and driven guy who happens to be an ingenious inventor with ideas floating through his head all the time.
shareWhen was this? Because he honestly comes across as a drug addict these days. It seems the shareholders aren't too pleased with him.
shareThe Friday before last.
Not sure how you could have missed it since MSM claimed a 9% drop in stock price because he smoked weed during the interview, but it rebounded within a day. I found him very likeable.
I have to admit I'm not really paying attention to him anymore. Too many articles about the same nonsense.
shareOn the other hand, what did he actually call him? "pedo guy", that essentially means child man.
Interesting point... The "pedo" prefix also means relating to the foot, or feet. Like "pedometer."
Elon Musk could say "Oh sorry Judge, I was calling him a foot soldier, I didn't realize it came across in a bad way!"
However, the whole "I bet a signed dollar it's true" is very telling.
All in all, Elon BETTER have some actual dirt on this guy, or else he's just lost his marbles suddenly. share
Not everyone who goes to Thailand is a paedophile, and making that accusation over Twitter was slanderous. Possibly libellous too as it was published.
As far as I know he was told it wouldn't work by several people overseeing the rescue. It's just conjecture on my part but I suspect he was perhaps a little pushy and got on their nerves hence the "stick it" comment. Hurtful for sure but not, in my eyes, comparable to calling someone a child molester.
No, he hasn't. I really admire what he and his team did for this rescue mission. Those who called his rescue effort as a "PR stunt", should understand that Elon is already a legend of the era, he doesn't need PR like this anymore. It seems to me that the old guy wanted all the spotlight on himself and pissed Elon off by saying the mini-sub had "absolutely no chance of working". I hope someone will make a documentary movie with the rescue video and all other facts including the mini-sub and Cave 5.
shareBut he didn't actually do anything, he didn't rescue anyone.
His invention, which was essentially a metal rocket shaped tube, was rejected by more than one expert on the caves. It was not deemed suitable, it was a very delicate mission and they had to get it right.
It was great that he tried to help but, in the end he wasn't needed.
He needed a rubber rocket to bend around the corners...
EXACTLY!
And a giant bungee rope that goes booooing too.
Elon Musk could use a couple of problem solvers like us...!
I was going to suggest a giant inflatable tube too, but Elon already thought of that damn him.
shareYou two genius of a kind are speaking as if you were there with him in the cave.
shareI didn't think they ACTUALLY let him in the cave whilst the rescue was in progress but please correct me if I am wrong.
shareNot sure about while the rescue was in progress but he went there at some point. As he twitted:
Never saw this British expat guy who iives in Thailand (sus) at any point when we were in the caves...."
While you are not in the joking mood, can you imagine swimming 3 miles for your life after trapped in the flooding cave for 10 days? share
Nope I cannot imagine, it must have been terrifying.
Why do you ask?
Not a wise call from a risk management perspective.
shareIf you mean taking them there in the first place, yes I agree utter madness.
shareI guess your logic is that if any boy dies in the rescue operation, it would be their coach's fault.
shareNobody died (past tense) as the rescue was sucessful.
I cant apportion blame for deaths that did not happen.
Not sure what you're getting at, better get to the point.
Nobody died? If you haven't got the point that this rescue operation was a gambling of the lifes while there might be a safer option with the new technology, then your own jokes suites you. Sorry guy, you really did ask for it.
shareYes, nobody died.
Which proves that the carefully planned rescue was a success.
I can tell you that if it were my children I would rather trust a person or persons with all the information on the geography of the caves and skilled divers with knowledge of the area than a never-tested metal invention.
What do you mean "your own jokes suites you"?
Do you need to buy a suite for a court case?
Yes, nobody died.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1498690/rescuer-dies-during-dive-in-flooded-tham-luang-cave
"your own jokes suites you"
Don't play dumb now. I am talking about a rubber rocket and a giant bungee rope or inflatable tube. share
You said.
I guess your logic is that if any boy dies in the rescue operation, it would be their coach's fault.
All the boys were rescued without the use of the metal rocketcoffin.Nobody died
My joke wasn't about the boys or in fact any person so don't pull that crap.
So to get back to my original post, do you think it was ok for Elon Musk to tweet what he did?
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Elon Musk's "pedo guy" tweet was OK if that was a reponse to Vern's telling CNN: “He can stick his submarine where it hurts."
shareYou're comparing the accusation of a sex crime against children with a methaphorical reference to someone's behind?
shareI think both are no more than insults. But if you want to play serious, then I am comparing pedo with raping.
shareYou're ridiculous. He advised Musk to put the sub up there himself, no way is that rape. Calling someone a pedo is not a normal insult. Especially not the way Musk phrased it.
shareLet's assume someone tell you to "stick your submarine where it hurts.", will you wonder "What submarine? Do I have one?"
No offence, just want to make a point.
I don't get what point you're trying to make. The guy told Musk to take his own useless invention and stick it up his behind. Which everyone knows is physically impossible, so a totally different kind of insult than an accusation of being a child molestor.
shareWhile you are not in the joking mood, can you imagine swimming 3 miles for your life after trapped in the flooding cave for 10 days?
But how do we know any of that is true? All we know about it is what we were told...
You are right to be skeptical. The media always puts people's words in the news without stating they are true or false. That's why I suggested making a documentary movie with all the facts.
shareWhat are you going on about?The boys did not swim 3 miles. They couldn't even doggy paddle!
shareRescuers set to work in figuring out how to extract 13 people - some of whom couldn't swim - from a winding, flooded 4km-long stretch of caves that even experienced divers would struggle with.share
The divers did the swimming, the boys were hardly even conscious.
shareEveryone got that, Stratego. What we are discussing here is the risk they took (both the divers and the boys) and whether they could use the assistence of the mini-sub to reduce some risk. I have an experiance of diving 20 meter deep in the sea, so I can image how hard it was for the divers and the boys.
shareWell, you did bring up the state of mind of the boys.
As for the answer to your question, it was very obvious from the begining that the mini-sub was completely useless.
...the mini-sub was completely useless
I guess you believe what the expat said, "the sub would not be able to squeeze through the narrow passages and corners so tight that divers could not wear air tanks on their backs."
Have some imagination, please. those aren't unsolvable problems: they could expand those narrow passages and corners, couldn't they?
Image of the mini-sub: https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NINTCHDBPICT000419059696.jpg?w=960
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It was not just the expat who said that. The mini-sub was not specifically designed for those caves. Also, too risky and time-consuming to try and expand those passages.
Please, don't be a follower of the Tesla sect.
My original suggestion is to let the documentary movie reveal all the facts first, and then we can discuss. But no, all of you are so blindly stick to one narrative, which pissed me off.
shareMultiple people involved gave the same account. You're the one blindly following the narrative of Musk "a legend of the era" instead of an "old guy" who "wanted all the spotlight on himself"...
shareStratego, I promise I will stick to the facts, nothing else. OK? Let's wait for the documentary of the event and then continue our discussion.
shareA documentary which does not yet exist (but will no doubt one day) will still not show Elon Musk saving the day.
The documentary will not prove whether Musk's method would've been succesful. It will prove, however, that the method they eventually went with WAS succesful.
shareWhy wait for an imaginary documentary? The boys were rescued, unharmed, without the need to address all the problems that it was known Musk's sub would face. Not to mention the ones that were yet to be discovered. It's been documented that the operation was swiftly successful already.
shareAny assistance offered should have been private and not publicised.
Elon should be above being spoken poorly to by someone in a crisis situation.
That said it was the Thai navy who did all the dangerous work.
How did it get into the press?
I know he published emails himself yesterday.
"Elon should be above being spoken poorly to by someone in a crisis situation. "
How come? And surely that works both ways?
I agree it works both ways but one person dealing with the practicalities of a crisis may be permitted to be a little dogged in their response to an impractical solution to their immediate problem.
shareClarification please!
I first read your comments as meaning that Elon being spoken to harshly was something he didn't deserve due to his status.
I think now that you were agreeing that he perhaps ought to have taken it on the chin?
He's always been a shitehawk.
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