So now that corporations control the internet too, are all Americans going to leave? Since the USA is basically China now, I am scared the smart Americans will come to our country and screw things up here too.
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Net Neutrality is bad. I'm glad they repealed it. It was a piece of Obama Socialist garbage. Read what Rush said:
https://woai.iheart.com/featured/rush-limbaugh/content/2017-12-14-insane-liberals-make-fools-of-themselves-over-net-neutrality/
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Rush has no idea what he's talking about. It's not just liberals that opposed to ending Net Neutrality. The ability of ISPs to price gouge, discriminate, and censor content based on arbitrary standards that they determine is the real danger of ending net neutrality. That potentially affects all of us regardless of if you're liberal or conservative.
shareNot potentially... it will affect all of you guys for sure...
Be prepared to see your Netflix and youtube throttled and then be asked to upgrade to an unlimited youtube/Netflix package for "only" $20 extra per month...
Well yes, but I say 'potentially' because I haven't completely given up hope on congress holding a floor vote on Net Neutrality and overturning the FCC ruling. It's not just telecommunication companies that have lobbying might in DC, but tech giants like Google, Apple, Facebook, and content producers like Netflix and Amazon all in support of Net Neutrality that are organized and pressuring congress to get involved.
So we'll see what happens.
i see... will be interesting
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Yes he does. It's called capitalism, and the free market. It works best when left alone.
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If you had any idea what you were talking about you'd know that unfettered markets are inclined towards monopolies. That's why government is sometimes required to break up monopolies in order to stimulate competition.
It's also why overturning Net Neutrality is bad, because doing so concentrates the wealth and power of content delivery on the internet to a few telecommunication giants who can now price gouge a premium of both content providers and consumers. That raises the cost of entry for new startups and online businesses who will be required to pay a premium for their services to be used at competitive speeds to established giants and franchises which they are less able to afford.
That is bad for competition, not good. You have an overly simplistic idea of how the economy functions. It doesn't exist in a vacuum. And Rush Limbaugh is a hyperbolic tool who does the bidding of his corporate sponsors. You're only making yourself dumber by taking his world as gospel instead of using your mind by looking into these issues yourself.
You obviously don't know anything about US Law. We have laws on the books to prevent monopolies. If a company gets anywhere close to a monopoly, it gets broken up, like with Standard Oil and AT&T.
Of course nothing exists in a vacuum, and net neutrality doesn't hand over anything to anyone. It leaves an open playing field where the efficient companies will flourish, and the weak ones will die. That is capitalism, the system which has brought more wealth and better lives to more people than any other system in history simply because it takes advantage of human nature. If you're smart and work hard, you will get ahead. If not, you will not.
Liberals and socialists want the government to make everything "fair and equal", but that tends to discourage hard work and innovation which brings prices down, and quality up. The government should not be picking winners and losers. That's one of the reasons the best quarterly growth in eight years under Obama was 1.5%.
Current predictions for the fourth quarter are for 4.5% which is outstanding! Obama told us that 1.0% growth was "the new norm" and that we had to get used to it. Well, either he was lying or he didn't know what he was talking about. Also when Obama left office the DJIA was hovering around 18,000. Under Trump it has SOARED to 24,754.35. That is what unfettered capitalism and free markets do when left alone.
And if the net was going to be taken over by a few companies who are going to gouge us, why hasn't that happened in the past 30 or 40 years? And if you actually believe Rush is a hyperbolic fool, then you must be listening to the left biased media, and you are obviously the fool. Rush is WAY smarter than either you or me, and tells the truth unlike the leftist media.
You're obviously a liberal, and I'm a conservative. So this conversation is a waste of time. I'm out. Bye and have a nice life, and please don't bother me with any of your foolish notions.
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Actually I'm quite familiar with US law. What exactly do you think laws are that break up monopolies? Hint: They're called "regulations". What do you think regulations are that break up monopolies but another form of what you call "government picking winners and losers"? You haven't thought much about this have you?
If you ever study economics like I have you'd learn free markets without government regulation inclines toward monopolistic behavior. This is a fundamental tenet of free markets you can find in any basic macroeconomics textbook. That's because of what's called "economies of scale". Look it up. Larger companies have inherent advantages of lowered costs via mass production that lets them maximize profits. That's why larger companies seek to acquire smaller companies to aggregate production and use their inherent profitability to lower prices to drive their competition out of business or force them to sell, and then to price gouge when no longer faced with competition.
That's why government has a body of regulation in the books known as 'anti-trust law' to try to level the playing field and ensure markets remain competitive because without competition your options as a consumer goes down and the price you pay from lack of options goes up.
And if the net was going to be taken over by a few companies who are going to gouge us, why hasn't that happened in the past 30 or 40 years?
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You come across as very intelligent and knowledgeable and I'm inclined to agree with you. Many in my community along with myself consider the dominant cable television/internet provider here as a monopoly. Every few months or so, there's another duplicitous justification for a rate increase and instinct and prior experience are telling me to expect more of the same shortly after we enter 2018.
Yes it really is sad, especially when I see someone quoting Rush Limbaugh of all people as an authoritative voice for anything. That really speaks to the decline of education in the US that a conservative radio shock jock that lies constantly can actually be quoted as if he's to be believed about anything.
This is all basic macroeconomics 101 and easily verifiable from a couple google queries and yet here he is parroting Limbaugh slogans against liberals (as if this is even about liberal vs conservative) instead of trying to use his own brain to understand the issue.
And that's the magic of how he stays so ignorant. Whenever he encounters ideas at odds with Limbaugh he shuts himself off instead of considering whether Limbaugh's critics have any merit. He refuses to think for himself and lets Rush tell him what to think.
What a sad and ridiculous way to live. But whatever, it's his loss since he'll go through life quoting Limbaugh and wondering why everyone else sees him as a joke.
Yeah, you nailed it pretty accurately again.
shareWhy is it bad? Are you an ISP or a private citizen? Your own thoughts please, not linking to or parroting what anyone else has to say. And no "Obama did Socialism" stuff either, that's just not a serious, or valid, argument.
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Because it restricts the free market. Markets do best when left alone. Liberals are Socialists and they want the government to pick winners and losers, and they want everything to be "fair and even". Fair and even does not promote competition and innovation. The more efficient companies will win, and the weak ones will die. That brings prices down, and quality up.
And the Internet has been doing just fine in the last 30 or 40 years without net neutrality in case you did not notice.
A great example are the TVs I've bought in the last 12 years. I bought a 40" HD TV in 2005. It cost me $2,800. I bought a 49" 4K HD TV in 2016, and it cost me $1,400. I now want to move up to a 55". The one I'm looking at costs around $1.000. Free markets and technology continue to bring the price down, and the quality up.
Please click on the article in my post above. Rush explains it much better than I could, and in more detail.
And I am a private citizen. I understand how things work. Capitalism has brought more wealth and prosperity to more people than any other economic system because it takes advantage of human nature.
Again, you're peddling fiction because Net Neutrality promotes open competition by lowering the burden for competitors to enter the marketplace and compete with entrenched corporations. It's the single reason why the internet is the robust market force it is today instead of controlled by a few conglomerates who price gouge, because of NET NEUTRALITY and now it's gone. Yet you're bizarrely claiming that's a good thing. Actually, more competition is a good thing for consumers. If you knew anything about free markets you'd know that making it easier for startups to enter the marketplace is not wanting everything to be "fair and even". Startups still have to put the work in to become a successful business, that's just Limbaugh spouting a meaningless slogan that you're too happy to repeat without trying to even understand what's being talked about.
Even smart conservatives recognize that Rush Limbaugh is a joke who peddles fictitious and overly simplistic ideas to enlarge his wallet and serve his sponsors. If you're actually interested in listening to an intelligent conservative who has coherent ideas, I'd recommend checking out Ben Shapiro.
Keep in mind, it was the really smart Americans that created the internet in the first place. It started as a DARPANET military project to move away from centralized circuit switching to one of distributed packet switching so large volumes of information could survive being targeted one central point of attack. It was also the smart Americans that chose to open up the internet and allow it to be commercialized in 1992.
It was a dumb political appointee that voted to end Net Neutrality in order to line his own pockets in 2017.
That said, the end of Net Neutrality won't have much effect at first, because all the major ISPs have already implemented pricing tiers based on internet speeds long ago. Through comcast/xfinity I already pay a premium for the fastest download/upload speeds. No big deal so far because I save from ending my cable TV subscription long ago and stream casting everything for next to nothing compared to what comcast would charge me if I got my cable services through them.
The fear is that the end of Net Neutrality means ISPs can now gouge stream providers and throttle down speeds based on type of network traffic. Also fear that they will discriminate based on politics in the future, which will give them even more power and influence over content providers. All in all a bad development, but I do have hope this can be overcome if not in the political realm than in the technological one.