Controversial
Hi,friends...should marriage between persons that have the same gender be legalized?I mean they have the same rights as the rest of us...right?
shareits legal here in Canada for about 10 years and the sky hasn't fallen in.
Why marriage needs to be goverment legalized anyway? It should have stayed as pure religious matter, as with baptism and circumsition.
It will be easier for everybody.
the government issues marriage certificates.
shareYeah. Why tho? Why the goverment needs to issue marriage certificate anyway? A certificate from a church would be sufficient enough I suppose.
So if Christianity don't want to allow same-sex marriage, let them. The couple who want to can get into other religions that allow it, like new age religion or whatever. Create your own religion and get married as one. Everybody's happy.
not everyone goes to church
shareThat's why I said you can make your own entity (religious or not) to get married in.
Why the goverment has to put their hand in this matter? Is this just because differences in taxing for married couples and singles?
the government regulates to prevent bigamy/polygamy and incestuous marriages
shareWhich kind of begs a news question for me. Why is bigamy/polygamy still considered okay in some parts of the world, but not acceptable in many other places?
As with incestuous marriage (I imagine not between immediate members), I'm not sure how all commonly acceptable cousin marriages are being practice anymore.
Is this just because differences in taxing for married couples and singles?
Yes, and also issues with property. When you marry under the law, you form a corporate partnership according to the government.
Also, people don't have to be legally married. They can still marry whoever they want in a private ceremony that isn't recognized by the government.
Restricting same-sex marriage is just bigotry. Also, religious people love having the freedom to force their morals onto other people. It's because they are insecure. That tends to happen when one worships a magical space ghost because of some ancient book from desert nomads.
And yeah, they're adults too. Surprisingly.
Now that's what I'm talking about. Same-sex mariage (or opposite-sex, bigamy, polygamy, polyandry, etc.) is just none of government's bussiness.
shareThe government is involved because marriage has certain legal rights. It makes the spouse the next of kin. It relates to how the couple is taxed. It involves the legal name and legal status of any children. All of these are legal/civil matters, not religious matters.
Religious marriage is completely separate from civil marriage.
Wedding Chapels exist though and I believe those don't have to be religious to go through that process.
sharesome people don't believe in religion
share"Why marriage needs to be goverment legalized anyway? It should have stayed as pure religious matter, as with baptism and circumsition."
Because marriage is, at least in part, a property agreement.
Also, removing marriage from the religious sphere was actually a great historical achievement because it weakened the church's control over people's lives and contributed to the secularization of society. It should stay that way.
I don't think children should be exposed to genital mutlilation until they are old enough to consent to it. Nobody knows what long term psychological damage is imposed on a child by hurting them for no good reason.
I have no problem with same-sex marriage.
So, would you like the goverment to regulate circumcision too?
And would you like the government to not meddling with marriage, so anyone can freely marry anyone (same-sex, opposite-sex, bigamy, polygamy, etc. except incest and under-age marriage) without needing the goverment's permission?
Uhm, how about the legal aspects? Marriage is a contractual agreement that existed before christianity and has existed outside of religion. I would never marry in a religious ceremony, but I would get married for legal reasons and to make a statement about my relationship with my partner.
shareWell, if marriage is not regulated by the government, they can make new laws (or adjust existing laws accordingly) for such legal aspects.
I used Christianity as an example because that's the one I'm familiar with. I know mariage predates Christianity and there were religions older than Christianity.
Long long time ago, religion and government are inseparable. They are one and the same. Today, that's not the case. That's why my argument was that today's goverment no longer need to regulate marriage in the same vein as it doesn't need to regulate baptism or other religious matters.
So if anyone want to marry anyone, let them be. The government is not the religion anymore. It doesn't need to regulate everything to the point of babysitting. If needed, just adjust the taxation and other legal aspects accordingly so that those laws do not depend on marriage laws.
So if you want to have a legal agreement with your partner that recognizable by the government, you can. Just like a corporation or any other legal entity, commercial or otherwise.
The government doesn't care if a corporation is founded by a couple of all male (or all female) entepreneurs, does it? Why does marriage be different than that to the goverment's eyes?
Legal matters are still the government's business. If you want to give a meaning to your union beyond that, a religious one for example, then that's your own business. You keep stressing that the government shouldn't regulate religious matters. Well, they don't, even non-religious folks can get married.
shareWhat I was stressing is that why does the goverment need to regulate the genders of the people involved in a legal agreement.
If the government is solely conscerned on legal aspects (taxation, etc.) It should not care about the genders at all.
Like all male, all female, two males one female, three females one male, two transgenders one male and one female, whatever. Why do they care? Why sex is even matter here (in the eyes of the government)?
Right, that's why there's no reason not to let people of the same sex marry each other.
shareYes, I believe that no child should be subjected to torturous and pointless multilation and that it should be the choice of the individual to be circumcised at the legal age if they wish it for religious or other reasons.
Government should licence marriage between consenting adults, whatever sex they happen to be, so long as they are above the legal age of consent.
Correct. Government should get out of it completely.
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