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Netanyahu Tells Biden No 2-State Solution Ever


I told you so!

Isreal never intended to have a 2-state solution which is the reason they illegally built thousands of houses on Palestinian land and repeatedly negotiated in bad faith.

If Israel wants to repeatedly war with all their neighbors, then let them pay for it. The billions we give them is better served building affordable housing.

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The other side rejected a 2-SS five times so why are you surprised.

You should have voted for Trump.

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Israel never negotiated in good faith. They just BSed while stealing increasing amounts of Palestinian land for 75 years.

If Israel was serious about a 2-state solution, they would negotiate in good faith right now since most governments want them to and it would stop the violence in the Middle East.

Trump = Lock him up!

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Negotiate in good faith with Hamas? Go back to sleep.

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Netanyahu loves Hamas which is the reason he strengthened and financially supported them.

PA, next PM Benny Gantz and Biden support 2-state solution. It's happening.

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Something like 82% of "Palestinians" in the West Bank supported the October 7 pogrom. A two-state solution ain't happening. Technically, the two-state solution already happened with the formation of Israel and Jordan. But the Arabs in that area simply despise Jews and can't stand them being in that part of the world. That's the only reason Jordan isn't enough for them. They want it all. And I put "Palestinian" in quotes because they are a fictitious people. They are Arabs, indistinguishable from any other Arabs. There is no distinct Palestinian language or culture. The Romans renamed the land "Palestine" just as a way to insult the Jews, since the Philistines were an ancient enemy of theirs. That's it. The land is Israel. The Jews were there first. It's not like the Jews put the Temple under the Dome. Arabs put the dome on top of the Jewish temple.

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Israelis can always return to Europe where they will be welcomed since they don't like living among Arabs in an Arab area.

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So you thus reject any potential two-state solution anyway. So what's the motive for Israel to negotiate?

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"UN chief warns that Israel’s rejection of a two-state solution threatens global peace"
https://apnews.com/article/un-israel-palestinians-gaza-guterres-cff00a5b6b7295b738a2255b03a6090e

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Not what I asked you: So you thus reject any potential two-state solution anyway. So what's the motive for Israel to negotiate?

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^^ Can't you say this about any immigrant where they don't like living among the natives?

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How come Trump hasnt gone to Isreal to "broker a deal" and negotiate peace?

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Because he's too wrapped up dealing with a crooked Justice System one day after another and all just to keep him from beating Joe Biden

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Bingo!

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Trump is angry at Netanyahu for congratulating Biden when he became president. Try to keep up!

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What would Trump do differently? Do you think he'd really "negotiate a better deal" like he always claims without evidence?

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That conflict would not have started in the first place if he were still president.

Stealing elections have national and global consequences.

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Why wouldn't it have happened if he were still president? What influence does he have with Hamas? Do you think that doing things like moving the US embassy to Jerusalem and helping get a trade treaty between Israel and UAE and Bahrain and totally excluding any Palestinians interactions made it more or less likely that Hamas would attack Israel?

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It's complete b.s. to claim "Israel" never intended to have a 2-state solution. It's possible that Netanyahu never intended to have a 2-state solution but he never made the Oslo I Accord agreement with Arafat. Rabin made that agreement. He wanted a 2-state solution. It's that much more b.s. for you to complain about Netanyahu opposing a Palestinian state because you said yourself that "Israel believes a Palestinian state would be too powerful and attack them." Why the hell should Netanyahu support the establishment of a Palestinian state next to Israel that "would be too powerful and attack them"?

It's the Palestinians that have always negotiated in bad faith. In the 1970s the Palestinian Liberation Organization came up with the Phased Plan, a strategy to accept the acquisition of only part of Palestine as a step towards conquering the rest of it. The PLO only wanted the so-called "two-state solution" so that it could have a state to use for reconquering the rest of Palestine. If Yasser Arafat really wanted a two-state solution then he wouldn't have said this to Arab diplomats in 1996:

"You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion. Jews will not want to live among Arabs. I have no use for Jews. They are and remain Jews. We now need all the help we can get from you in our battle for a united Palestine under Arab rule."


It's the same reason one of the PLO's demands has always been that Israel accept the return of all the so-called Palestinian refugees (most of which are actually the descendants of refugees). The PLO wanted to swamp Israel with Palestinians in order to demographically destroy it. As the Palestinian Authority Minister of Refugee Affairs As'ad Abd-Al Rahman said in 1999, "The demand for the return of the Palestinian refugees is tantamount to the destruction of Israel."

That's why Netanyahu opposes the so-called "two-state solution".

And building thousands of homes for Jews in the West Bank is NOT illegal:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israeli-settlements-are-not-illegal

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Israel was fooled by Palestinians over and over in peace talks where Arafat, or Abbas would take up years of talk and planning, and then say they had to go away and think about it, and then they would return to Palestine and start another Intifada.

Sadly our idiot US state dept. is still being fooled by this BS. There will never be a two state solution unless an Arab country is willing to donate some land for the Palestinians to move to. The two options for this have been part of the Sinai in Egypt, or the panhandle of Jordan. The thing that might get those countries to go with that program is offering them aid.

The Palestinians are barbarians, and the same as ISIS. You don't give ISIS a state, you destroy them.

Here is the tell about what Hamas always planned ...
Investing in their own infrastructure & people would have been a sign that Hamas/Palestinians were at least a little bit interested in a peaceful productive future - but they didn't and they are not. Failing to invest in their future turned out to be a dead giveaway that Hamas never intended to negotiate peace or found a country.

Palestinians goals has always been to destroy Israel and kill the Jews.

The terrorist, Yasir Arafat’s secret speech in Stockholm, 1996: "You understand that we plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion".

Here is an absolutely fascinating interview with Benjamin Netanyahu that allows him in a relaxed environment to explain what is going on in Israel. I found a respect for the man and his intellect and leadership for his people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpC7SVDXimg

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"The Palestinians are barbarians"

You're just a racist.

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Quit trotting out that tired, old tactic of your. You're the racist and everyone knows it.

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Not my quote.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68025945

... Earlier on Thursday, Mr Netanyahu said Israel must have security control over all land west of the River Jordan, which would include the territory of any future Palestinian state.

LOL... From the river to the sea.

The utter hypocrisy.

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What hypocrisy? Haven't you ever heard of the Phased Plan? The PLO's plan since the 1970s was to accept the acquisition of only part of Palestine as a step towards conquering the rest of it. The PLO only wanted the so-called "two-state solution" so that it could have a state to use for reconquering the rest of Palestine. Netanyahu's statement merely reflects the fact that he's come to terms with the harsh realities that Israel faces.

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100%

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No other option.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpC7SVDXimg

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It's basically Hitler's plan. He only wanted Christians in Germany while Israeli far-right extremists only want Jews. Both ethnic cleansed and committed genocide

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Either:
1. You know nothing about history.
2. You are a totally dishonest hateful liar trying to associate Hitler's Final Solution with the victims of it.

I notice you said "Israeli far-right extremists". I'm sure know there are two million Arab Israelis living with democratic political representation in Israel?

What happened to all the Jews across Arab lands?

How many Jews are in Saudi Arabia, or Christians for that matter.

The intolerance of non-Muslims in Muslim counties is widely know, yet you dishonestly equate Israelis with Hitler. You're whole BS line is actually way past dishonest.

Have you ever watched interviews with Israeli Arabs/Muslims?

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Stop being obtuse.
Its hitler's plan step by step.
Proof:

During one of his famous “table talks,” Hitler decreed that “there's only one duty: to Germanize this country [Russia] by the immigration of Germans and to look upon the natives as Redskins.”

Again, in his second book, Hitler wrote that Germany should “[concentrate] all of its strength on marking out a way of life for our people through the allocation of adequate Lebensraum for the next one hundred years.” Naturally, the inferior races that occupied this region must be removed, both Slavs and Jews.

The drive to clear the East of inferior populations in preparation for German colonization led to intensive planning for the mass starvation of over 30 million people there. Policy guidelines issued before the invasion of the Soviet Union stated unequivocally that “many tens of millions of people in this territory will become superfluous and will have to die or migrate to Siberia… With regard to this, absolute clarity must reign.” Known as the Generalplan Ost, this set of economic and demographic plans placed the necessity for Lebensraum and the colonization of the East at the center of the invasion. By blaming Jews and Bolshevists for the “backwardness” of the region, the plans also reinforced other forms of Nazi antisemitism demanding the removal of Jews from the territory and eventually their physical destruction.

this is from holocauat encyclopedia.
- colonialism, mass starvation, degradation of living conditions, its all there.
Israel basically implementing all the steps described there against Palestine.

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If any Gazans are starving it's because Hamas steals their food:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-aid-trucks-stolen-by-gunmen-and-looted-as-convoys-start-crossing-from-israel/

You could use "degradation of living conditions" to argue that the Allies committed genocide against the Germans and Japanese during World War II but you don't believe that was genocide so how can you claim that what Israel is doing is genocide? To really prove your comparison to Nazi Germany you would have to include the conditions of the more than 1 million Arabs living in Israel as citizens. But the war in Gaza doesn't affect them.

And let's compare that to what happened to the Jews in the Arab countries bordering Israel. 80 years ago there were 100,000 Jews in the Arab countries bordering Israel. But persecution of Jews in those 4 countries has caused that number to dwindle to 32. 32! 29 of those Jews are in Lebanon. 3 of them are in Egypt. There are no Jews left in Syria and there were never any Jews to begin with in Jordan. If Israel is just like Nazi Germany then do you believe that all the Arab countries bordering Israel are even worse than Nazi Germany?

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Part 1 of your borderline retarded counter-argument:
If allies committed atrocious shit in ww2 and they were not condemned for it, that means you can kill and maim innocents in Gaza?

Question 1: Are you a fucking limp dick psychopath? Do you have children, you sick fuck? Why do you try to justify genocide by going to some bad shit that happened in history?

Part 2(same borderline retarded counter argument); You say that hews have been persecuted in arab countries. I do NOT contest this and I actually 100% agree with this.

Question 2: : Are you a fucking limp dick psychopath? Do you have children, you sick fuck ?
By what fucking logic does jews being persecuted in arab countries does give anyone the right to kill, maim, starve and displace innocent people?

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It doesn't but it intentionally set up the Palestinians as a trapped imprisoned spearhead terrorist army stuck there with no hope to bring about exactly what we see today.

The terrorist, Yasir Arafat’s secret speech in Stockholm, 1996: "You understand that we plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion".


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Are you fucking drunk?

Are you saying that because Arafat said in 1996 that he wants to fuck some goat in the ass or whatever he said(I am pretty sure that his plan about population exploaion was accurate, I have 0 sympathy for the so called palestinian leaders), that Israel should now maim and burn children alive?

Is there some hole in the ground that you creatures come from ?

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You seem to think that the more you can swear and use ugly lies and imagery that you win.

What I am saying is that you have less understanding of the Israel-Palestine history than those folks marching who draw a blank when asked, "What river, what sea?".

The point is the two-state solution is impossible when Palestinian society has been designed and programmed to create terrorist robots out of children from when they are tiny tots.

Ever heard of or read the Hamas Convenant?

More recently, did you hear the Hamas leaders saying they were going to do massacre after massacre again and again, and then Hamas apologists trying to blame Netanyahu for their actions?

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With the risk of repeating myself, are you stupid?
I am saying Israel is committing genocide and killing innocents and you tell me about Hamas? Or terrorist robots?

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Say it as many times as you want but it doesn't make it true.

As wars goes Israel is killing less innocents than another other war that's happened, ever.

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"As wars goes Israel is killing less innocents than another other war that's happened, ever."
Israel killed 12000 children in 3 and a half months, which is more than any war than I know of.



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You don't know much about war then. Not surprised since you seem to consist of mostly ignorance and gullibility - but like a true brainwashed zombie you are still ready to shout about what you know nothing about.

The 12,000 children number is unconfirmed and highly questionable. With 9,000 terrorist and Hamas deaths that is still just over 1 child per terrorist killed, which is very low - especially given that Hamas is ordering civilians to stay in zones where hostilities are occuring. Also pretty good since you can also see videos of Hamas soldiers running from tunnel to tunnel holding children with them when they run.

I can point you to countless YouTube videos where Palestinian mothers are happy their children are being martyred. One Palestinian mother said, "I have 6 sons. 3 are for me, and 3 I give to Allah".

A child soldier is still a soldier. If you don't like dead children then you should be all in with killing Hamas and all the terrorists in Gaza, as well as Hamas leaders across Palestine and into Syria, Turkey, Qatar, Yeman and across the terrorist supporting Muslim world.

Also, right now there are major hostilities going on in the Muslim world that are killing far more people and children than in Gaza.

But, as soon as you have a better plan for killing Hamas off without also harming civilians - call up Israel. I'm sure they'd love to hear any plan that can dig out the terrorists.

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You said israel killed less civilians than any war, ever. I disputed that. Back it with proof, not mindless blabber. Same, name the other muslim conflicts going on right now that saw more or the same number of children killed in the same interval

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almonigal,

What the hell is wrong with you? What's with all the completely unnecessary insults? It just makes your arguments look weaker.

As much as you claim that the Allies committed "atrocious shit" during World War II, you still deny that they committed genocide by carpet bombing German and Japanese cities. The number of civilians in Gaza killed by Israel is a very small fraction of that so you have to acknowledge that that is much more clearly not genocide. You also don't deny that it was necessary for the Allies to do that to win World War II.

I didn't bring up what happened to Jews in the Arab countries bordering Israel in order to justify Israel's current war in Gaza. I was simply comparing what the Arab countries did to what Hitler did since you tried to compare Israel to it. Given how you feel about Israel I was just wondering how you feel about the surrounding Arab countries. The fact of the matter is that Israeli tolerance of Arabs is light years ahead of Arab tolerance of Jews.

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What is wrong with me? I cannot simply comprehend that people who try to justify the circumstances in which more than 12000 children are killed exist.

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First off, you said that Israel is committing genocide. It seems that you're now abandoning that claim. Second, you don't know that that number is accurate. Third, you don't know how many of the dead kids were actually killed by Israeli ordnance rather than failed Hamas or Islamic Jihad rockets or booby trap explosions created by Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Fourth, there would be a lot less civilian casualties if Hamas weren't hiding behind the civilian population of Gaza.

It's completely ridiculous for you to claim that you can't comprehend that people who try to justify the circumstances in which more than 12,000 children are killed exist in the same discussion where World War II was already referenced. There are still millions of people who justify the circumstances in which thouands of children were killed by individual bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. For all I know those millions of people may even include yourself.

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No claim abandoned, and its not a claim, its a logical conclusion.

Atrocities committed in previous wars should be lessons learned, not justification for further atrocities. You dont seem to grasp this concept.

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You can assert all you want that it's a logical conclusion rather than a claim but you've still failed to prove that it's a logical conclusion. How can you deny that what the Allies did during World War II was genocide while claiming that it's genocide now when a much smaller number of civilians has been killed?

If there are lessons to be learned from the carpet bombing of enemy cities by the Allies during World War II then can you actually tell me what those lessons are? Is the lesson that it would have been better if the Allies let Germany and Japan win the war?

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Its not ok to kill tens of thousands of children because at one point in history the "good guys" also killed children.

The lesson is simple: atrocities lead to more atrocities.

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You didn't accuse Israel of killing tens of thousands of kids, just thousands. And like I said before, you don't know how many of those kids were killed by failed Palestinian rockets or booby trap explosions set by Hamas and Islamic Jihad. And those kids are dead mostly because Hamas uses them as human shields. Do you want to ensure that the Hamas strategy works?

The Allies couldn't have won the war against Japan without bombing all of their cities. If the good guys had to kill thousands of kids once why wouldn't they necessarily have to do it again? Why would you say that the lesson from World War II is that atrocities lead to more atrocities? The Allied "atrocities" committed against the Germans and Japanese didn't lead to more atrocities. They only led to the end of World War II.

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The first part of what you said is partially false and the rest is absolutely false.

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I would define "tens of thousands" as at least 20,000. None of the rest of what I said is the slightest bit false. If you really believe any of it is false then you should actually explain to me how you know it's false. Otherwise it just looks like you know I'm completely right about all of it and you just don't want to admit it. You waited 2 days to respond. With all that time you could have done better.

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I think bith statements are false now

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Your claim doesn't mean anything unless you prove it. Why do you actually believe that anything I said is false?

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Youre not making any sense...

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No, you're not making any sense. You just declared that everything I said is false without giving any reason for that declaration. That doesn't make any sense.

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It's been like 4 days since I checked the news. Sorry, busy.
How many children did Israel murder these days?

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You mean to ask how many children were killed by Israeli ordnance in the course of war. I don't know that number and neither does anyone else because neither I nor anyone else knows the reliability of the total numbers or demographics of those numbers provided by the Hamas Health Ministry in Gaza. And no one knows how many of those children were actually killed by Israeli ordnance instead of by failed Hamas or Islamic Jihad rockets or explosions caused by Hamas booby traps. All the deaths of children killed by Israeli weapons are on Hamas. That's a matter of international law. Article 28 of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War says that "The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations." That means it's not murder when civilians are killed by Israeli attacks on Hamas.

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Cool. An apologist for child murdering psychos.

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I just explained to you why it's not murder. You agree with me that it wasn't murder when the Allies did it during World War II so why is it suddenly murder now? Do you have an alternative plan for defeating Hamas?

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They are not israelizing israel ... they are trying to end the intentional forever war on israel by Palestinians.

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This has been a well-known fact for some time, just as the fact that Hamas was founded on destroying Israel and is also against a 2-state solution.

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Fuck hamas and fuck you too.
Stop using hamas as an excuse to kill children.

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Such an immature foul mouth for a 40 year old.

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Do you even realize that all your immature swearing and insults make you look more like a temper tantrum throwing child than a temper tantrum throwing child?

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Lucky me that I can throw temper tantrums, children in palestine cannot

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Let us know when you're finished on the jungle gym.

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Never did, you can go back home

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Fuck Israel

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