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Why Is the Political Right So Anti-Abortion?

posted a year ago by HarveyManFredSin (4877)
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Speaking even as a leftist, I sometimes think modern right-wingers have a point about how parts of the far and even establishment left want so desperately for us all to think and act the same way, especially in terms of trying to create a homogenous media that only presents one POV. As much as I staunchly support diversity, for instance, I don't think it should be mandated any more than every single piece of art should be required to advocate for one single political view-point.

And even as a non-smoking, non-drug-taking, borderline teetotal vegan, I am not keen on forcing my lifestyle upon others (even though I will certainly argue, with respect to veganism, that there are imperative ethical and environmental reasons why we shouldn't be rearing animals for food).

But when it comes to abortion, and a woman's RIGHT to have full AUTONOMY over her OWN body, that's when the modern political right seem to suddenly have a complete brain blackout when it comes to the personal *FREEDOM* they constantly talk about.

Surely it should be the FREEDOM of every woman to choose what happens to HER body. No woman should be forced to undergo a pregnancy, and, for that matter, no woman should be pressured to terminate one, if it's HER CHOICE to have that baby.

Don't tell me that every single 'freedom-loving' conservative actually believes in God (although, to be fair, there are plenty of theists who entirely and reasonably accept a woman's RIGHT TO CHOOSE, and I 100% respect them for that), or that conception automatically equals a sentient life. Or is it because 'freedom' only applies when it comes to what men can and can't do, and NOT the choices that are *unique* to *most* (albeit *not* all) women?

[–] jk90us (5244) a year ago

Why is the far left, who will riot to stop sadistic murderers from being executed, okay with murdering unborn babies?

[–] [deleted] a year ago

cuz muh vaginaaaaaaaaa

[–] WarrenPeace (2267) a year ago

Abortion prevents future murderers from being born.
Why is the far right against that?
Odd at how they want these babies to be born so that they can be murdered by execution later on.

Let's see if the murder rate goes up since abortion is now illegal in a lot of states.
Don't be surprised if it does.

[–] B1cKsurN (14760) a year ago

Abortion prevents future murderers from being born.

Based. 🤣

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[–] Theman (1065) a year ago

Sounds like you got this from Hitler defending the Holocaust.

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

In my recent experience, I've found a lot of (admittedly inconsistent) far-leftists argue in *favour* of capital punishment, if it's applied to people they disagree with ideologically (e.g. Kyle Rittenhouse). I'd argue that opposition to capital punishment is more of a classical liberal or *moderately* progressive stance rather than a far-leftist one (after all, it was the USSR/Communists who killed more of its citizens than any other regime or nation).

And my position is that (1) if a sadistic murderer is behind bars, they are NO LONGER a threat to anyone, and, thus, do not need to be executed, and (2) there is a difference between killing a living sentient human-being and terminating a foetus.

[–] B1cKsurN (14760) a year ago

Why should the citizens pay to keep that murderer alive with our taxes? They should be put down for murder.

there is a difference between killing a living sentient human-being and terminating a fetus.

Killing the live sentient human when we know its a piece of shit is a good idea. Killing an unborn human that could grow up to cure cancer is probably a bad idea.

100% of abortionists are born.

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[–] WarrenPeace (2267) a year ago

We don't need anyone to cure cancer when there are so many ways to prevent it.

Besides, with the way the "health" care industry makes tons of money with the super expensive cancer treatments, you think they are in any hurry to find a cure?

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

'Could grow up to cure cancer'

OR

could grow up to be the next Hitler...

We just don't know, so it's absurd and nonsensical to argue the former.

[–] Corneileous (377) a year ago

Not only that but they fight so fiercely to get rid of guns and our gun rights but they're all about them abortions... They riot and protest when a school gets shot up but then afterward there like, hey, let's have an abortion!

[–] WarrenPeace (2267) a year ago

Yeah and you gun nuts are like, "Save the baby! Don't kill it," while you are also saying, "Don't take away our guns so that more and more criminals can get them to shoot up schools and kill kids!"

So you want to save kids in one way but then have no problem at all if they get killed in another.

[–] Corneileous (377) a year ago

Dude, you are so far away from the truth that it just ain’t even funny. But you know, instead of you answering with pure and utter stupidity to what I said, why can’t you explain yourself to me first? Here, let’s go back to that…..you’re the one who acts like you’re all for of the children but only after they’re born. You couldn't give a shit less for all the unborn ones.

But back to the stupid bullshit you asked me; there really is no way to answer that because the fact that I love my guns and that I love my gun rights is not why kids are getting killed. Kids are getting killed because there are some sick SOBs in this country with no regard of the law or human life. It’s not the guns. It never has been, and it never will be.

[–] WarrenPeace (2267) a year ago

We never had this level of violence and deaths in schools when I was in them back in the day.
School shootings is a recent or newer thing and you are saying that guns have nothing to do with it?
LOL
Access to guns have EVERYTHING to do with gun crimes.
And way to go to prove my point where you don't care that kids are getting shot and killed in schools with that pro gun attitude.

You are a crackpot in denial who is really off his rocker.

[–] Corneileous (377) a year ago

Again bonehead, I didn’t prove any of your points except for the one about how stupid you are for thinking I don’t care for kids because I care for my gun rights. Gun rights and child deaths DO NOT GO HAND IN HAND. Only ignorant weasels like you are the ones who believe that nonsense but since we are on the subject, show me how my gun rights are the cause of schools getting shot up? Can you do that? I’ve already explained to you that killing people is illegal. Bringing guns to most schools is illegal. And in a lot of places, even having guns within 1000 yards from the school is also illegal as well so again, please explain to me how my gun rights and me fighting for my gun rights means that I don’t care for kids.

And no, even back when I was in school, we didn’t have school shootings either. We had the same gun rights. We even also for the most part had the same gun laws as well. A lot of my friends from back in the day even had rifles in the back glass of their trucks. But now all the sudden you wanna sit here and say that now it’s because of the guns as why this happens? Yeah, OK. Whatever your stupid ass wants to say. The only one who is truly a crackpot in denial and off his rocker, is you.

[–] WarrenPeace (2267) a year ago

Let's say some super powerful force came and said that if you gave up your gun, and only your gun and no one else's, that it would end all school shootings everywhere, would you give it up for the safety of others or are you too selfish to do that?
No dodging.
Which one would you choose?

[–] Corneileous (377) a year ago

Soooo, lemmie get this straight… I’m trying to figure out what it is you’re asking of me. How can that even make any sense what you’re asking me because number one, my gun hasn’t hurt anybody and second, why would this “force” that you speak of only be asking for my gun when there’s millions of other criminals and bad people out there armed who’s committing crimes every day?

But until I hear a worthwhile explanation to your question that makes sense, I would not be giving up my gun because again, my gun isn’t the one doing anybody any harm.

[–] WarrenPeace (2267) a year ago

You answered my question.

You value your gun rights over the lives of children.
Got it.

Yeah, if nothing was done after Sandy Hook to reduce gun violence then nothing will ever be done.
Gun nuts just don't care.
At all. Ever.
They have no ideas of the meanings of words like love and compassion.
All they know is hate and fear and violence.

[–] Corneileous (377) a year ago

Now hold on a minute. You don’t get to say that and expect to be taken seriously. I asked you a valid question about that so-called question you asked me so c’mon, explain. I’m still trying to figure out how me giving up my gun is going to somehow magically keep all the other guns in possession of criminals from continuing to shoot people.

And no, I haven’t answered your question because it doesn’t make any sense. YOU don’t make any sense.

[–] tvfan (8319) a year ago

For all the anti-gun points made by your hero Jim Jefferies; you continue to dismiss the following point he made @3:08 of the video:

“I agree with you, if you are a responsible gun owner and you don’t fuck around with them then you should be allowed your guns, you really should”......and then he goes on to talk about the 1% fuck-wits that ruin it for the rest.

[–] WarrenPeace (2267) a year ago

It is not just the 1% that ruin it. It is everyone who buys a guns and ammo that is giving more money to the gun and ammo makers so that they can keep on cranking them out where they will end up in the hands of criminals to use in crimes.

The other thing is that every single gun out there and used in a crime was legal at one point.
So as long as those so called "responsible" gun owners keep on buying them then the gun violence will always continue.

[–] Corneileous (377) a year ago

It is not just the 1% that ruin it. It is everyone who buys a guns and ammo that is giving more money to the gun and ammo makers so that they can keep on cranking them out where they will end up in the hands of criminals to use in crimes.

Sooooo, all the guns made for the military and law enforcement have no bearing on this at all??….lol. And its also awful funny how you foolishly assume every gun made will end up in the hands of a criminal.

The other thing is that every single gun out there and used in a crime was legal at one point.

True but so what? Most criminals and thieves are pretty good at what they do and yes, there are some stupid people out there but tats still no reason or excuse to punish everybody.

So as long as those so called "responsible" gun owners keep on buying them then the gun violence will always continue.

Wrong. You realize people with CNC lathes and 3D printers can make their own guns?

I swear, do you even think before you start typing? My guess is no. But just like ole Ron White says; You cant fix stupid. There’s not a pill you can take… There’s not a class you can take… Stupid is forever.

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

All you've done is simply expose your own side's absurdity.

To quote the late great George Carlin:

“Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked.”

[–] Corneileous (377) a year ago

How so? I’m assuming you’re taking to me and if you are, I’d like to know how. I even said I was for women’s rights and even gave some pretty good examples of people who should be allowed to abort.

But yeah, ole George was a good one, wasn’t he? One of my favorite comedians but see, that’s just it…. He was a comedian. Not really intended to be taken all that seriously even though that was his style material. And if you know the rest of that album, his idea of dealing with offenders is pretty uh…off the wall.

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

Oh, don't get me wrong. I didn't agree with Carlin on everything (heck, I even like soft rock, which Carlin DETESTED). But when he was right, he was RIGHT.

And if abortion is right for rape victims, why isn't it right for all women and girls? Why is the foetus from a rape any less 'precious' and 'vulnerable' than the foetus from a consenting sexual relationship?

[–] Corneileous (377) a year ago

Maybe you need to go up there a little further and read my earlier post. I covered a lot of this already but either way, I’m not saying I disagree with you. I just look at both sides of the argument. If woman or couple doesn’t want the prize of reproduction, they shouldn’t be forced to but then again, abortion is still murder, no matter the case. Rape victim or highly active couple who doesn’t want kids.

What I don’t understand is how Lefties can be so caring of the school kids but care less about the fetus. That’s why I kinda question ole George about that comedy bit because even the most far-right conservatives care for kids and the unborn, even the unborn from incest rape.

But just because some dipshit liberal Democrat says we on the right can’t be for children’s saftey and love our gun rights, that’s not true. They couldn’t be any further from the truth saying that but see, they obviously don’t know any better.

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

Okay, it seems that your POV is *mostly* reasonable...but 'murder'? No. That's an extremely emotive and unreasonable way of putting things, *especially* for abortions that take place in the first trimester.

These are not fully-formed human-beings. Just *potential* human-beings.

[–] Corneileous (377) a year ago

I dunno, I’m no obstetrician nor am I in any other scientific or medical field to professionally make the claim of when officially a fetus is a human being but it is a life, no matter what perspective you wish to look at it from and if you kill it….well, last time I checked, that’s murder.

But there really is no further need for you and I to argue this because as I said before, I see both sides of the argument and you don't so its kind of redundant for you and I to debate this.

[–] WarrenPeace (2267) a year ago

I used to never understand why the anti choicers were against birth control which is a win win for them since it prevents abortions.
Then I realized that to be thinking that way they have to have a brain.

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

Fair enough WarrenPeace.

I do think that some (in fact, many) of these people are motivated by misogyny/wanting to control women's bodies. Whether or not that means they are 'idiots' is a question I'll leave unanswered... 🤐

[–] Filmtenk2 (3370) a year ago

Religion. Social control. Unhealthy dismissal of science.

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

Very true. It's important that we don't attribute it *all* to religion. I don't believe that *all* anti-abortion types are *genuinely* religious (although many of them may *feign* a belief in God/*feign* Christianity etc).

[–] Filmtenk2 (3370) a year ago

I should have added peer pressure, especially peer pressure from dead people.

[–] Gd5150 (11009) a year ago

Dismissal of science? Lmao!!!!

[–] arcticdragon (383) a year ago

Don't tell me ... that conception automatically equals a sentient life

Well, when the hell does sentient life start?

The problem with pro-choicers is that they have taken the ̶b̶a̶b̶y̶ fetus period pretty f-cking far. Some go as far as until the cord is finally cut, and some even as far as until the baby's first independent thought.

Another problem is that they don't seem to understand even the most rudimentary of responsibility. They take a child hostage, have no f-cking idea why they should be responsible for its wellbeing until it can live without them.

And when refusing to take blame for taking said hostage in the first place, they usually go "what about rape victims?", or find somebody else whose real suffering they can exploit and piggyback on them.

[–] moviechatterer (13262) a year ago

Some go as far as until the cord is finally cut

I see from that utter bullshit your on the "against" side , are you a republican?

I ask because some of the democrats , who unlike republicans are capable of independent thought , are also "against"

[–] arcticdragon (383) a year ago

No, I ain't republican. Not democrat either.

What about you? You republican? More importantly, are you for or against abortion THAT late?

[–] moviechatterer (13262) a year ago

im for abortion, but "against abortion THAT late"

cord is finally cut??

thats after the birth! what are you saying ?

[–] arcticdragon (383) a year ago

Exactly what it sounds like. If the cord's still attached, it's not too late for the abortion. It's still "freedom over MY OWN BODY".

I don't know if there are democrats or other authorities who would dare say that, but I have heard it from pro-choicers whom I have argued with about when does life actually start. They are trying to make it as late as possible.

[–] Gd5150 (11009) a year ago

Because they believe abortion is taking an innocent life.

Any questions?

[–] Corneileous (377) a year ago

I dunno, I am for women's rights and yes, I don't think the price of having sex should be an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy but then again, there's fairly easy and un-invasive ways to prevent it that doesn't require condoms if you're one of those that doesn't want that barrier between you and your loved one. But on the flip side, abortion should be allowed if it's a young girl who's raped by her uncle, father or whomever. she shouldn't be forced to have that baby. Same goes for the young girl who gets knocked up by the high school quarterback who she has a crush on and all he's interesting in doing is just taking advantage of that just so he can brag to his buddies... Or the young college girl who decides to get toasted one night and ends up having unprotected sex just to now have her dreams and life-plans all messed up because now she has a kid on the way. No more getting though college, getting a good job, then..... settling down, getting married and using out a few kids. Or the young intern who had to work late one night who gets raped in the parking garage on her way to her car.

I guess I just have mixed emotions concerning abortion. Still, for the most part, think it ought to be up to the woman carrying the child. Altho abortion is still murder how ever you slice it so there is that.

[–] B1cKsurN (14760) a year ago

100% of Abortionists are born.

Also, if a single cell organism is found on Mars...will you consider that finding "Life" on another planet?

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[–] moviechatterer (13262) a year ago

Why Is the Political Right So Anti-Abortion?

Becasue id you want to be a "Political Right" theres a whole load of entirely arbitrary unrelated to "the right" shit you have also take on board , other wise i guess they kick you out or something .

- a complete disregard for science and facts , especially if you dont like them.
- abortion
- Whatever compulsive liar Donald Trump says
- covid is a hoax
- homoes are pedos
etc etc