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Judge rules mob members shot by Kyle Rittenhouse can't be called "victims," but "rioters, arsonists, and looters"


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/26/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-judge-victims/

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1453101858923364355

Kyle Rittenhouse’s prosecutor just screwed up and admitted the mob member who was shot started the fight

This case is not going very well for them.

https://twitter.com/TrueLegendFilms/status/1453136124172374018
https://laurensouthern.net/crossfire-movie/

None are “allegations” when they are all on video or a matter of public record. The “victim” was
- An arsonist
- a child molester
- Used the N word
- Attempted murder

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1453516487386402816


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html (Refresher)


Trial starts in 6 days on Nov 1st. stonks up on popcorn and pizza

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Scroll down the page I just posted the same thing. It’s encouraging he’ll likely get off because it was self defense. If anything he might have to deal with a weapons charge since he was underage in possession on an AR-15 but that’s it.

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Yeah, well, mine has more info, video, and LINKS! I'll let the MC mob decide.

Prosecuter already messed up.

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A Wisconsin judge ruled Monday that attorneys in the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial could refer to the men the teen shot in Kenosha, Wis., last year as “rioters,” “looters” and “arsonists.” They could not, however, describe Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber, who were killed, and Gaige Grosskreutz, who was wounded, as “victims” because the term was “loaded,” the judge said.


? and “rioters,” “looters” and “arsonists” is not loaded or prejudicial?

I never heard anything about the so-called “rioters,” “looters” and “arsonists” threatening to use or using deadly force?

In fact it is unproven that they were rioting or committing arson.

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There you go again with the same line…”In fact it is unproven…” You must not have watched the videos when it was occurring. They were burning vehicles in a car lot. Kyle and the others with him were protecting a business from being burned. The owner had lost one from the Burn, Loot, Murder thugs so he didn’t want another one torched. He had asked these people for assistance in protecting his business. The whole area was on fire. This time it was proven as there are many videos.

The first guy killed by Kyle had shot first. The reporter said so last year.

Did you not watch the links above? It shows the thugs burning. One was shoving a lit cart. I saw weapons in the hands of the anarchists.

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Kyle was in the state with a gun unlawfully.
He was not serving in an official capacity.
He was not threatened with deadly force or fear of his life,
and the people chasing him to subdue him were stopping
him for the commission of murder.
Whatever someone is doing it is not a out of state minors job to be a fake armed cop, especially when his gun is illegal.
You may have some points in your favor, but you twist then and cherry pick them, and are forcing an issue - ALWAYS - instead of seeking the truth.

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“ He was not threatened with deadly force or fear of his life”

Oh, yes he was threatened. He was being beaten with a skateboard, he had a firearm pointed at him. You weren’t there, I wasn’t at the scene, but the videos show 3 jailbirds going after hm. I would think if you were in his position you would fear for your life. It is legal to shoot and kill someone if you fear for your life. He was attempting to run from the crowd and was running toward the police when he was assaulted. He didn’t commit murder. He fired at the very first guy because he was being shot at where he was standing guard.

The gun was not illegal. An AR-15 is a semi-automatic.

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> He was being beaten with a skateboard

Because he had just seconds before murdered someone.

Your argument about the gun is irrelevant, Wisconsin law prohibits anyone under age 18 from being armed, but Rittenhouse’s attorneys argued that state laws only forbid minors to carry short-barreled rifles and shotguns. The other prohibitions pertaining to children fall under hunting laws, which say children under age 12 can’t hunt with guns, Rittenhouse’s attorneys said at a hearing Tuesday.

>> Hunting laws allowed Kyle Rittenhouse to carry weapon during fatal shootings in Wisconsin, lawyers say
Prosecutor Thomas Binger dismissed the defense argument, saying Rittenhouse's attorneys should tell a jury he was "hunting on the streets" in Kenosha.

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” Because he had just seconds before murdered someone.”

You aren’t going to win on this one. Kyle is because he did not “murder” anyone. The guy he shot who died between the cars was shooting at Kyle. Kyle shot him in self defense then called 911 to report he had just shot someone.

Did you ever wonder why Kyle was wearing blue gloves? He was a lifeguard and he had carried his first aid kit along with the AR-15. If fact just before the first shooting he had treated one of the “oh so peaceful” protesters.

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Funny ... I am not going to win or lose ... I have no dog in this fight as they say, I think someone like George Zimmerman who went looking for a kill is not someone to make into a hero - and as Zimmerman even if it is the case that he was legally within the law. You are constantly agitating to make heroes out of assholes at any level who you think are in sync with what you call your conservative values, but are really disruptive undemocratic and unAmerican values, but who are really criminal provocateurs trying to bring unrest and division to the country. That may again legally be free speech and expression, but you do have a history of antisocial and unAmerican values ... in my opinion based on what I have read and heard from your tone and arguments.

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Because I believe in self defense? I’m unAmerican? What a foolish remark. I never said Kyle was a hero. I never said Zimmerman was a hero. You need to direct your comments to the BLM and Antifa thugs! The heroes were the cops last year who had to take the abuse from these thugs. The heroes were the innocents who died from the feet, fists, weapons, etc. during the rioting. The heroes were the ones going to the aid of others. The heroes were those who attempted to protect their businesses from the scumbag looters and arsonists while being beaten for their actions. People who defend themselves are not criminal provocateurs.

You must explain to me what being antisocial and unAmerican is.

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> Because I believe in self defense? I’m unAmerican?

Complete dishonest argument. That is why you are unAmerican. It's called knowingly employing an obvious logical fallacy - reductio ad absurdem. You know it and I know it, so you are wasting my time, and insulting everyone's intelligence to say that.

Zimmerman was a close analogous situation. You can ignore the comment if you want, but using ambiguity and the letter of the law to justify murder is what we are talking about - and then claiming the victims deserved it is another.

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You still have not explained how I’m unAmerican by justifying a legal action. You continue to believe those who were shot were victims. They weren’t since they were the attackers. Laying aside their attack against Kyle they were scum. They were as follows:
- An arsonist
- a child molester
- Used the N word
- Attempted murder

Your “reductio ad absurdum” comment doesn’t hold water due to the fact if you attack someone unprovoked and you end of injured or dead you did deserve the outcome.

“…ambiguity and the letter of the law to justify murder”

Now who is playing judge and jury? Hmm? Videos prove it was not murder.

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Keep up the fight! Did you see the video below? It provides a close-up view and analysis of the tragic events. I think anybody watching the video will see that the shootings were self-defense. The only problem is whether he was allowed to possess the gun and be a part of a militia.


https://youtu.be/1q2VAao13Cc *** Detailed video analysis ***

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Thanks for the link. Here is one of the comments to the video which happens to be true.

”The last guy shot, who hesitated and then re-engaged, actually had a drawn handgun. There are interviews with him where he says he wishes he had just started shooting. I give Rittenhouse a lot of credit for NOT shooting the guy immediately, when he saw the pistol, and waiting until he rushed forward, presenting a threat. A very cool head under pressure, and at only 17 years old or whatever.”

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He was on the right side

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I think you mean the Right.

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There was a mob of people burning private property and assaulting people.

The guy shot was a deviant

Those people were on the bad side.

This kid cleaning graffiti earlier in the day did what cops should have.

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“ In fact it is unproven that they were rioting or committing arson.”

A poster in another thread just PROVED you wrong! A photo can speak for itself.

https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/damage-due-to-rioting-unrest-in-kenosha-tops-50-million-2-000-guard-assisted-here/article_26473ec9-c08a-5490-9d09-cc2b840b65f1.html

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Let me rephrase that ... let's assume for the sake of argument that you are right, they were rioting and looting - that does not giver an illegally armed minor from another state the right to act with deadly force to stop them and kill 2 people and wound another.

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This youtube video shows that the shootings were self-defense. It has multiple video views and he does a good analysis of this sad situation.

Rittenhouse worked at the Kenosha YMCA and lived 21 miles away in Antioch, a town that is a mile south of the state border. He might have an issue with the gun laws but he was running away from people when he had to shoot. The first guy was suicidal and wanted to die. Why else would an unarmed man chase a guy with an AR-15? The second victim was a dumbass who attacked an armed man with an effing skateboard. Multiple Darwin awards should be handed out to these stupid looters/rioters.

https://youtu.be/1q2VAao13Cc *** detailed analysis of video ***

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It doesn’t matter if Kyle was illegally armed. He had a right to defend himself with deadly force. They would have jumped him if he was armed with a baseball bat! Any object which can kill someone becomes a deadly weapon. BTW, the thug who was injured was pointing a firearm at Kyle. To this you say Kyle didn’t have a right to defend himself? In your mind he was to sit there while being pummeled with a skateboard, to be assaulted with fists, and to possibly being shot. Try it sometime…you may like it!

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> It doesn’t matter if Kyle was illegally armed.

That is really an open legal question. If you arm yourself and then go in search of trouble you are contributing to what follows. Like those burglars who shoot someone in their own home and say they were startled and the gun went off ... I have no sympathy for them even if they have some thin legal leg to stand on or a lawyer takes their case.

Why is it you have to post loud obnoxious comments like you are the authority on this when it has not been tried, and then retried as this will probably be because of the attitude of the judge? You are just being an instigator, as opposed to actually commenting on situation.

I supposed if we were all here in a big room talking about this you would have your gun with you and be pointing it at us to force us to agree? That is the extremist right-wing vibe you give off.

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Why am I not permitted to have different thoughts and beliefs from yours? My comments aren’t loud and obnoxious anymore than yours are. When I stated “It doesn’t matter if Kyle was illegally armed.”, I was referring to his self-defense actions. Of course, if it was illegal for him to be in possession of a firearm he was breaking the law. So, I actually did comment on the situation.

You are correct, but yet incorrect regarding your last sentence. I would have my gun, but it would be concealed and not pointed at anyone. That was an inane desperate remark.

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> Why am I not permitted to have different thoughts and beliefs from yours?

Are you fucking kidding?

I am in no way desperate or inane and you are just calling me names and making silly hyperbolic claims.

My comment that you give off a belligerent right-wing vibe claiming you know what happened here enough to be abusive and try to shut down, instead of discuss, other points of view. It is accurate. I am pretty sure many users here would agree. That's just you and your Right-wing buds ...

I'd say you are here to push an agenda, to propagandize, and as such you use a lot of ridiculous accusatory statements like the quote at the top. I don't appreciate it, and it is dishonest and unworthy for discussion to put that out there for others to have clean up ... it is like walking your dog and leaving the poop in someone else's yard ... it's just a tell of bad attitude and citizenship.

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Who wrote the following:

”Kyle was in the state with a gun unlawfully.
He was not serving in an official capacity.
He was not threatened with deadly force or fear of his life,
and the people chasing him to subdue him were stopping
him for the commission of murder.
Whatever someone is doing it is not a out of state minors job to be a fake armed cop, especially when his gun is illegal.
You may have some points in your favor, but you twist then and cherry pick them, and are forcing an issue - ALWAYS - instead of seeking the truth.”


Wouldn’t this poster possibly be attempting to shut down, instead of discuss, other points of view? Wouldn’t this poster be belligerent enough to the point of claiming s/he knows what happened including the following?

”In fact it is unproven that they were rioting or committing arson.”

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25 people died last summer: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

Damages cost between $1-2 billion:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/damage-riots-1b-most-expensive
https://nypost.com/2020/09/16/riots-following-george-floyds-death-could-cost-up-to-2b/

Over 2000 cops were hurt during that nonsense: https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/police-chief-association-releases-number-of-officers-injured-nationwide-during-violent-protests/article_db673920-34ab-11eb-9431-a3e24704f86a.html. I don't think there's even a number for the amount of civilians hurt. That's how out of hand last summer was.

RIOTERS took over a chunk of Portland: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/2/21310109/chop-chaz-cleared-violence-explained

RIOTERS tried to burn down a police station and court houses:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/us/minneapolis-police-fire-dylan-shakespeare-robinson.html
https://katu.com/news/local/california-man-pleads-guilty-to-trying-to-set-federal-courthouse-on-fire-during-portland-protest

https://www.wkrn.com/news/man-accused-of-setting-fire-to-nashville-courthouse-pleads-guilty-to-federal-charges/

This was happening all over the country. Spare me the "so-called" and "unproved" bullshit.

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Wait, ONLY 25? With all the lawlessness happening I thought there would be more. Guess it was just mainly looting and burning stuff to the ground. When ya mad, blame everyone else and not the people that did it is the mindset.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/14-days-of-protests-19-dead/?sh=6fb038ce4de4

2 weeks and already 19 dead so I am just surprised that with months of protest throughout 2020 it would only remain this low and not be in the 50's if not more.

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Who knows anymore, they might just not count people burned to death or beaten to death as part of a riots fallout. They are not covering or covering up everything that does not look good.

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It’s about time a judge makes a logical ruling! 👏🏻👏🏻

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Kyle will still be charged with cross-state travel with a weapon and owning one while being a minor (under 18), for sure. The first kill is questionable even though the guy that chased him into the car lot was a racist pedo. He clearly knew he had a weapon but was not afraid of him before he got popped. 2nd and 3rd were obvious self-defense after one hit him over the shoulder/head with a skateboard and the other tried to pull a pistol on him. Both were dispatched with 1-2 precise bullet shots.

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Kyle didn’t carry the weapon over the state line. His friend in Wisconsin owned the weapon and loaned it to Kyle.

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It's a very bizarre case because Rittenhouse made an effort to go there. He wasn't in his house, a store, or just walking down the street, he sought the riot out. It does appear they attacked him first, which sounds like self-defense, but Rittenhouse sought out a riot in another state. He created the situation.

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It'll be interesting to see if he gets in trouble for the gun possession and being part of the militia. People are also making a big deal about him crossing state lines but he only lives 21 miles away from Kenosha in a town located a mile south of the border. The videos do show that he acted in self-defense but should he have been there?

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"but should he have been there?"

NO.

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More like, no one should've been there but here we are.

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He didn't seek the riot out, the riot sought him out. He was there to just defend businesses, namely the gas station they wanted to petro bomb. The issue is what made the pedo racist give chase to Kyle into the auto dealer lot? Before videos show him taunting Kyle to shoot him as if he had a death wish or suicide by cop kind of attitude.

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Who asked him to be there and take on that job? It hardly matters, he was a minor and such a contract or request is bound to be illegal. I can't give a gun to my 10 year old son and tell him to shoot anyone who comes on our property. That is not being duly deputized.

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He drove to another state. That's the definition of seeking out.

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I guarantee the people commenting on this thread defending Kyle Rittenhouse have a higher average intelligence than those who think he did wrong.

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We thank you! But, it truly doesn’t have to do with having a higher average intelligence. It’s using common sense from looking at the videos. The sound could be muted and the videos speak a thousand words!

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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1453516487386402816

Portland trans #antifa member Andrea Lane Mun, formerly known as Jacob Andrew Camello, promises mass political violence if Kyle Rittenhouse isn't convicted. Andrea was charged with multiple violent felonies in April but the case was dismissed.


Prepare for the crazy people.

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Vile Rittenlouse is an Alt Right Terrorist who killed 2 heroes and severely wounded a 3rd who risked their lives to try to stop his murder spree. After he's convicted and sentenced to life in the hellhole he deserves, Federal charges are next for crossing state lines to commit acts of rightwing terror. That means he could go the way of McVeigh. I only wish the cops who cheered him on, the Fascist Pillow Guy and Nazi Rick Schroeder could be prosecuted too. The only question left is which one of the Fascist Trump rightees on MC will be the next terrorist.

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And you are an idiot, devoid of brain cells.

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