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Richmond removes Robert E. Lee statue and cut it to pieces.


As the general himself would have wanted.

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RICHMOND, Va. — A crowd erupted in cheers and song Wednesday as work crews hoisted an enormous statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee off the giant pedestal where it had towered over Virginia’s capital city for more than a century.

One of America’s largest monuments to the Confederacy, the equestrian statue was lifted down to the ground just before 9 a.m., after a construction worker who strapped harnesses around Lee and his horse lifted his arms in the air and counted down, “Three, two, one!” to jubilant shouts from a crowd of hundreds. A work crew then began cutting it into pieces.

“This was a long time coming, part of the healing process so Virginia can move forward and be a welcoming state with inclusiveness and diversity,” said Gov. Ralph Northam, who was there to witness the event. The Democrat said it represents “more than 400 years of history that we should not be proud of,” and congratulated Virginians for supporting its removal

Sharon Jennings, an African American born and raised in Richmond, said the statue had to go, but she still had mixed feelings seeing it come down.

“It’s a good day, and it’s a sad day at the same time,” Jennings, 58, said. “It doesn’t matter what color you are, if you really like history, and you understand what this street has been your whole life and you’ve grown up this way, you’re thinking, ‘Oh, my God.’ But when you get older you understand that it does need to come down.”

Some chanted “Whose streets? Our streets!” and sang, “Hey hey hey, goodbye.” There was a brief commotion when a man with a Black Lives Matter flag ran into the fenced-off work area. He was quickly detained by police and escorted out, where he began arguing with others in the crowd.

Northam ordered the statue taken down last summer, citing the pain felt across the country over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis after a white police officer pressed a knee into his neck. But his plans were tied up in litigation until the Supreme Court of Virginia cleared the way last week.

The 21-foot (6-meter) high bronze sculpture sat atop a granite pedestal nearly twice that tall, towering above Monument Avenue since 1890 in this former capital of the Confederacy.

The state brought in a deconstruction crew surrounded by a heavy police presence to strap the statue to a crane. State, capitol and city police officers closed streets for blocks around the state-owned traffic circle in Richmond, using heavy equipment and crowd-control barriers to keep crowds away. The Federal Aviation Administration granted the state’s request to ban drone flights during the event, which will be livestreamed through the governor’s Facebook and Twitter accounts.

“This is a historic moment for the city of Richmond. The city, the community at large is saying that we’re not going to stand for these symbols of hate in our city anymore,” said Rachel Smucker, 28, a Richmond resident who was at the viewing site early Wednesday with her sister.

Smucker, who is white, said she moved to Richmond around three years ago. It was her first time living in the South, and she found Monument Avenue “jarring.

“I’ve always found it to be offensive, as a symbol of protecting slavery and the racism that people of color still face today,” Smucker said.

The one-of-a-kind piece, valued for its artistic quality, stood among four other massive Confederate statues on the avenue, but the city removed the others last summer.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/towering-robert-e-lee-statue-richmond-virginia-come-down-n1278669

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So are you for this or against it. I can't tell.

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He's a nut.

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I believe you can’t change history and the only thing you can do is learn from it so you don’t repeat it. That speech from the Governor who had no problem dressing up like a Klansman in blackface is complete nonsense.

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It doesn't make sense for the state of Virginia to tear down civil war statues since the state generates a lot of revenue from civil war tourism. There are battlefields all over the state of Virginia and many schools and locations are named after civil war generals. I could see putting plaques up to present a different perspective but I always thought the statues should stay.

Many of the people protesting at Charlottesville were not white supremacists but they just wanted the statues to stay up.

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I'm in VA and trust me Richmond is a shithole. One statue ain't gonna matter.

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Maybe the south needs to start thinking celebrating something other than failure and being on the wrong side of history.

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[–] blue1981 (2203) an hour ago
I believe you can’t change history and the only thing you can do is learn from it so you don’t repeat. That speech from the Governor who had no problem dressing up like a Klansman in blackface is complete nonsense.

If you are referring to Northam, I have to agree, that guy is a tool. He wanted to get rid of vehicle safety inspections.

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I know nothing about the issue but I would bet a great deal of money that your last statement is untrue or not the whole story.

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Huh? Come again?

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Earlier this year, Virginia Governor Ralph Northam (D) unveiled plans to eliminate the state’s motor vehicle safety inspection program.

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Here's the next two sentences:
"Northam said, “Data shows that there is no connection between highway safety and these inspections. That’s why 35 other states don’t have them.”"

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Yeah. He said that. Does that make it true?

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Maybe if you had to drive an hour or so on the interstate, dealing with traffic caused by a broken down vehicle, you would understand. Listen, I voted for him, but after he pulled this stunt I did an about face.

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That's a great idea but I think the legislature didn't want to do away with inspections. Not many states are doing the annual vehicle safety inspections anymore since it's usually a big rip-off for consumers. It's insane that drivers have to go to inspection stations operated by repair shops that can generate revenue by failing the cars that they inspect. When I lived in New Jersey, there were actual inspection stations that were run by the state and they didn't charge for repairs on-site. It's a conflict of interest when the inspector can fail your car and give you a $3,000 estimate for repairs required for the vehicle to pass.

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I see your point and I agree. But ask yourself if you want a vehicle next to you going about 80mph with a bad ball joint if you have a baby in your back seat? And yes, I do realize that people will drive these cars regardless

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I'm more concerned about people driving 80MPH period. I think the limit is still 55mph or 65mph. I remember one guy was arguing with me that slower drivers were more dangerous than speeders due to the physics.

I do agree that inspections could limit the number of dangerous cars on the road but a lot of cars on the roads are registered in other states. The overall condition of the vehicle is irrelevant when it is driven by someone who is distracted or high on drugs.

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drivers have to go to inspection stations operated by repair shops
They could go to one that purely does inspections and not repairs

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There aren't any shops that do inspections without repairs. I believe the inspection is under $20 so a shop will not make money on a pure inspection. The only way a shop can make money is by using the inspection to get cars into their lane and then generating estimates for necessary repairs.

I contend that a mandatory state vehicle inspection system should have government-operated inspection stations that just offer inspections. There is a conflict of interest when the inspections are performed by shops that can generate revenue by performing repairs on the inspected cars that fail. The state of Virginia has official ABC stores for booze so they could operate official state inspection centers.

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Removing a statue doesn't affect history AT. ALL.

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The only acceptable compromise I could see being okay is putting these statues in a museum. Otherwise trying to remove statues like this proof your trying to destroy America as we know it and are wanting to bring about the next Civil War.

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These statues all belong in a museum.

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Or in a furnace.

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We shouldn't hide our shame, we should preserve it but only as a part of our history to remind us not to make the same mistakes and demonstrate that we have evolved past them.

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so not leave them literally "on a pedastel" being celebrated like heroes?

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That would be the only thing I would consider to be an okay compromise.

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As the General himself would have wanted.

Oh really ? Please link to the source of this information.

The removal and destruction of that statue was a work of historical, cultural and artistic barbarism. I spit on the people who did it and anyone who applauds it.



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Didn't Lee commit treason against the United States of America?

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Are you suggesting that the people who took down and destroyed the statue and the people who applauded it did so because they thought Lee was a traitor to the USA ?

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No it must be because all white people are racists and shouldn't be allowed statues.

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He did. Still, I have mixed feelings about destroying things of historic significance due to the evolution of political or societal standards. I don’t think a community should have to celebrate someone they’ve later come to despise. On the other hand, there is no limiting principle. Should we tear down the Jefferson Memorial? Blow up Stone Mountain? In 2027, the national archives will produce FBI eavesdrop recordings of MLK which his biographer describes as capturing a level of sexual violence and depravity that would rival anything by Harvey Weinstein. What then to do with the MLK memorial and the hundreds of school names, statues and government commemorations in his honor? Perhaps it’s best to leave such monuments alone; accepting that they were obviously meant only to honor the good by such historical figures, not their discrediting turpitudes.

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The "historical significance" of a monument to a failed traitor and to his .... achievements, is up for debate.

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This comment reminds me about the Taliban’s 2001 explosion of centuries-old Buddha statues carved into to a Bamiyan valley hillside. They too wanted to erase any historical statues that no longer aligned with their “modern” cultural sensibilities

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They outlawed statues period, according to their mad, centuries-old fundamental beliefs. Not modern ones. Not even remotely the same.

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i'm glad it was removed! It was a disgrace!!

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Cut into 3 pieces to fit under bridges to the storage area for it. It can be welded back together.
Because of its enormous size, the statue will then be cut into three pieces so that it can fit under highway overpasses with height restrictions of between 13 1/2 to 14 feet (4.1 to 4.3 meters) as it is taken to an undisclosed storage site. The Northam administration has said it will seek public input on the statue’s future.

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They could open a Losers Park and put all the statues of failed traitors in it. Commission a statue of loser Donald and the losers who tried to overthrow democracy earlier this year and put them in it too.

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What does 30 to 50 less idiots mean?
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-popularity-falls-democrats-fear-losing-30-50-house-seats-1627102

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Significantly less than treason and defeat in a civil war?

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Bottom feeding troll.

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This is nothing but anti-white racism. Everyone else gets to celebrate historical figures, even if they don't match current moral standards.

Every group except white people.

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Next step is to burn all history books, "that'll REALLY show those long dead historical figures! DERP!"

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