The Covid blame game just took a dark turn
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The media really thought they could lie and peddle junk science like it wouldn't be debunked by real science eventually.
"The regular folks and the unvaccinated folks"
Ok, Adolph.
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lol if the government tells u to be regular dont be regular lol be unvaccined
shareI get a kick of some of those Memology videos (subscribed a while back), and they often highlight good points in a humorous way. But this one presents a false equivalency, and completely misses the mark. Vaccination does not prevent contraction of the virus (no vaccine ever has), so that 74% stat, if true, is meaningless. It gives your body the boost it needs to fight it off (for most people--each individual must be allowed to seek medical advice specific to themselves and make a decision on which risk is better for them), and can minimize how contagious you become from it. A New York Post article today reports that of 161 million vaccinated in the U.S., 5,601 so far have caught breakthrough COVID and were hospitalized, and 1,141 have died. That’s an extremely small .0007%. There’s a much better chance of dying in a car crash, or even being hit by lightning, and definitely a better chance of dying without the vaccine than with it. It’s all about perspective, and seeking a proper, rational context. In light of that, I tend to agree with Ivey's statements, although she should have pulled her punches a bit and toned down her rhetoric, recognizing that not everyone can get the vaccine (although the vast majority can).
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The polio vaccine prevents poliomyelitis. The measles vaccine protects against becoming infected with the measles. Covid frankenshot you can still get and pass on Covid. Doesn't seem like much of a vaxx to me.
shareThe polio vaccine prevents poliomyelitis. The measles vaccine protects against becoming infected with the measles.Neither of those actually “prevent”. They just greatly reduce, and can help stop the spread.
https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/disease-prevention/pages/news/news/2016/04/poliomyelitis-polio-and-the-vaccines-used-to-eradicate-it-questions-and-answers
https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/polioviruscontainment/diseaseandvirus.htm#:~:text=Inactivated%20poliovirus%20vaccine%20(IPV)%20protects,stop%20transmission%20of%20the%20virus.
https://polioeradication.org/polio-today/polio-prevention/the-vaccines/ipv/
[for IPV] In the event of infection, these antibodies prevent the spread of the virus to the central nervous system and protect against paralysis. In this way, IPV prevents infection, but it does not stop transmission of the virus.In other words, it doesn't prevent poliomyelitis from entering your system. It prevents the virus from causing any real harm. In this case, IPV also doesn't prevent transmission, but fights it off. OPV (which is orally taken), however, does prevent transmission, so is used in areas where an outbreak occurs. Widespread vaccinations are the only way to keep it tamped down.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/18/304155213/why-mumps-and-measles-can-spread-even-when-were-vaccinated
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/measles/prevention-and-control/addressing-misconceptions-measles
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html
MR vaccine is very effective at protecting people against measles, mumps, and rubella, and preventing the complications caused by these diseases. People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella. While MMR provides effective protection against mumps for most people, immunity against mumps may decrease over time and some people may no longer be protected against mumps later in life. An additional dose may be needed if you are at risk because of a mumps outbreak.In other words, as I said, “vaccination does not prevent contraction of the virus (no vaccine ever has)… It gives your body the boost it needs to fight it off.. and can minimize how contagious you become from it.” These vaccines are no different, except that they’re new, which puts their long-term efficacy into question (but only time will answer that, just like it did with those earlier vaccines).
So yes, even those previous vaccines “you can still get and pass on”, just like the COVID vaccines. But since almost everyone has those previous vaccines, outbreaks are very rare. That’s the goal with the COVID vaccines as well.
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Meanwhile th shot itself is causing plenty of people problems. No thanks I'll take my chances. The shot wanes in effectiveness, natural immunity is lifelong
shareThat's entirely your choice to make (or at least it should be--this administration may very well cross that line, unfortunately).
But I do recommend it (just not the Johnson & Johnson--avoid that like the plague).
I’ll also note that Biden's unclear statements haven't helped any confusion around the situation. He quite literally said, "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations", which is patently untrue of any vaccination.
That's not how vaccines work.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/22/joe-biden/biden-exaggerates-efficacy-covid-19-vaccines/
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That's the scary part. Never have I been so happy I'm retired..so don't need a shot to work, don't need a shot at all. Forcing this on people is down right evil
shareSmallpox has been eradicated. Children are not required to be vaccinated against smallpox. Why then are the powers that be encouraging a booster shot? I’m so sick of these scientists and their guessing do we or don’t we?
shareYou mean a booster for COVID? Yeah I agree. Not enough is known yet for them to be jumping onto COVID boosters already. They definitely are wishy-washy, but that reveals just how uncertain they are about things (largely because of the "novel" nature of this virus). What's more, wanting to spam everyone with COVID vaccine shots, much less a booster, without first determining if they might already have antibodies, is wasteful, bad policy, and bad medical science (much of it most likely driven by politics instead of the science). That doesn't mean boosters might not become a good idea at some point, but more data and time is needed before jumping on that bandwagon. I suspect there's quite a bit of hysteria behind it.
For the antivaxxers out there though, since you brought up smallpox, it was eradicated purely through vaccinations, because enough people got vaccinated. Military personnel still have to get vaccinated for it if they're going overseas in what are considered "smallpox-prone" areas (however that's determined), where they might be at risk of it, but here in the U.S. it's a goner. And again, it's eradicated because nearly everyone got vaccinated, something to consider.
https://www.livescience.com/65304-smallpox.html
https://www.livescience.com/60824-poxviruses-threat.html
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/smallpox#:~:text=The%20last%20known%20natural%20case,officially%20declared%20eradicated%20in%201979.
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No, a booster for smallpox. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. It’s being suggested we should have booster shots for smallpox. My question is why if kids are no longer required to have a smallpox vaccine? Is something lurking in the shadows we aren’t being informed about?
shareI hadn't caught wind of that. That's interesting. Does make you wonder about the motivation.
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My chance of hospitalization is 0.035% and death 0.0025%.....why do I need a vaccine?
qcovid.org
That's petty cool. I've got 0.0034% chance of death if I get covid
shareDon't disagree necessarily with that viewpoint. Natural immunity is strong enough that only a very small percentage of people die from it (which is why raw numbers are always reported instead of percentages). But it would reduce your chances of death from .0025% to .0007%. Why do you need the vaccine? That's something only you can answer.
But the vaccines also prevent many of the weird effects COVID-19 caused, some of them long-term or permanent, even for those who didn't get sick enough from it to be hospitalized or die. Which is why I chose to proceed with it.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/unvaccinated-people-are-more-likely-to-die-of-covid-19-because-they-are-more-vulnerable-to-infection-and-severe-disease-tomi-lahren/
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The vaccines are also causing some really weird effects on people.
This is how I see it... I actually have to catch covid somehow. I hate people and avoid crowds. Getting jabbed is a direct action taken against my body, so I'll leave it to fate with the virus. I've already had it, so I have no fear of it.
Also, I feel absolutely amazing for my age, and the medical paperwork to back that up. Getting vaxxed endangers my well being. I understand the chance is low, but I'm not willing to take it.
Abstinence, in this case merely avoiding people altogether, is definitely the most effective way to avoid catching - well - anything. You're the perfect example of why the vaccines should be a choice, and not something that's forced. If you're never around people, you're highly ensured to not be even exposed to it. The best method of prevention is avoidance.
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There's no way to know that these gene therapy drugs are preventing 'serious' side effects. The only way to prove that would be to have the same identical person be infected with Covid twice, under the same circumstances and conditions. We know that isn't possible. What you are arguing is that the rock garden at your house has successfully prevented bear attacks, because you've never had a bear attack at your house. See, it worked!
I hope you see how silly your argument is. It doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.
It's not my argument, it's what studies are suggesting (although again, it's pretty early so it's subject to change, which is the nature of science, and like anything we should never lock in 100%). But there are strong early examples of people with long-COVID conditions improving after receiving one of the vaccines. I agree with your argument that a lack of something doesn't necessarily indicate success by a preventative measure, but that doesn't really apply to this situation since there are direct examples, which is why that's the current stance on the matter. In other words, there absolutely is a "way to know that these gene therapy drugs are preventing 'serious' side effects", because it's been empirically observed and documented.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vaccines-long-covid
I wouldn't have relayed that idea if there wasn't, by the way.
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The wise people who get Covid are foregoing hospital treatment unless the treatment consists of plasma…no intubation. The people who quarantine and treat them selves with HCQ are doing quite well with no residual side effects. People with “long Covid” were treated as per Dr. Fauci & the CDC. I’m not risking myself with the vaccine. If I should get Covid I will treat with HCQ & Zinc. People my age should not be intubated. The lungs are already suffering from Covid so to treat with intubation is exacerbating the situation. This is why so many elderly have succumbed to the virus.
shareI think Delta has diminished efficacy of the vaccines down to the point where many vaccinated are getting infected now. So from 95% down to around 60% I think if there are that many cases in a state with 70%+ vaccinated. Still less breakthrough deaths though when compared to unvaccinated hospitalizations. Waiting for them to announce booster shots.
shareI have a feeling she won’t be re-elected even though it’s a Republican state. I would do my best to vote for her opponent in the primary. She sounds ignorant. Vaccinated people are giving Covid to others. As I’ve said it’s a guessing game and also a window dressing.
shareThis whole thing has turned into a circus. It was politicized from the start and that’s why. You can’t trust the “scientists”. Of which there are many on both sides. Same with doctors. Big media and big tech censor everything. And we get our directions from the WHO, CDC, who just proved that the PCR test couldn’t even decipher covid from the flu. Thus they’ve been lying to everyone for 18 months about cases. And for a virus with 99.97% survival rate.
shareIt’s a circus where the animals have been turned loose and we are sheltering in their cages hoping they don’t find us!
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