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Stanford study : Masks ineffective


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

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This was in line with initial claims, even from Fauci, before politics got in the way. Cloth can be effective to some degree against airborne particles. It all depends on the size of the particle. Viruses, particularly SARS-CoV-2 according to this study, are small enough to pass though cloth. Although by some studies cloth helps at least a little, it’s far from 100% effective. N95 respirator masks are designed to filter much smaller particles, and can stop it at about a 95% rate, but only if securely pressed against the face with no gaps whatsoever. More importantly, the cloth masks most people are wearing don’t work nearly as well, if at all, depending on the material.

To invoke a crude example (I’ll use the slang vernacular), when someone farts we smell it because the gas produced by bacteria in the gut passes right through the cloth of any undergarments and jeans (yes, when you smell a fart, you're breathing in gas from the bacteria that came from within the bowels of they who dealt it). Studies show that although bacteria itself is also expelled, cloth is enough to mostly filter it. COVID-19 is smaller than bacteria by about a factor of 10, however (1 to 3 microns compared to .1 to .5 microns). Due to its small size, COVID-19 is easily airborne, or aerosolized. And as the study shows, it can pass through a cloth mask with relative ease.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-relative-size-of-particles/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

On top of this, when do viruses, usually colds, spread the most? During winter when families tend to gather together indoors (leading to the wives’ tale of “you’ll catch cold” by being outside in cold temperatures, which is an utter falsehood). Which is also why extreme lockdowns don't work (or keeping people off beaches or outdoors, for f**k's sake), although partial lockdowns, anything preventing a large condensed gathering of people indoors, are effective. What's most preventative is open air. Even just opening windows goes a very long way to preventing the spread of infection (discovered back during the tuberculosis epidemic). History and medical science tell us this.

1.) Cloth masks are largely a virtual signal, and aren’t very effective against the spread of small airborne viruses.
2.) Forcing people to congregate in their homes helps spread it among their group.
3.) Keeping people from congregating in enclosed spaces helps prevent spreading between groups.
4.) Arresting people for going to a beach, a park, or anywhere outdoors, is draconian oppression.
5.) Telling your constituents they can’t eat outdoors while forcing them to wear ineffective masks, but then going indoors to eat with a large, densely gathered group and without wearing a mask, is apparently many liberal democrat politician’s modus operandi.
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What you smell from farts are gas molecules, which are smaller than viruses.

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Thank you once again for an intelligent factual post. There are some of us on this board who have fighting the useless wearing of masks for over a year! But, as usual the Democrat lemmings on this board (Tilly for one) who are worshipers of Lord Fauci deem us as traitors. They bow to his whims. We have posted documented evidence the wearing of masks is futile against the virus. There are times I feel the Borg have taken over! There were medical personnel who were terminated from their jobs for informing the public the wearing of masks is a false security against the virus. Facebook and Twitter banned posters from speaking the truth.

I have questioned many people who are required to wear them for work. Not one person responded with a positive. Instead “They are uncomfortable. They make me nauseous. They give me a headache.” Not surprising when you’re inhaling what you’ve just exhaled! I’ve witnessed healthcare workers wearing their masks pulled below their noses. I personally spoke to an ER nurse who is/was required to wear a haz-mat suit from head to toe along with donning a face shield. Yet she acquired the virus. How? Through her eyes! Apparently the spores made their way to her eyes traveling up and under her face shield! Also, the worshipers of Lord Fauci tend to forget the virus can live for hours if not days on hard surfaces.

I ceased taking as fact when Lord Fauci was changing his mind every other week! If not from Fauci, someone advised us to wear masks during sex! Passengers were escorted off planes if they raised their masks to eat or drink the food brought with them when they boarded!

Every pandemic through out history has had to run its course. What is maddening about this virus is the fact it became political. A sitting POTUS was ousted over comments made about the virus. The world, mostly this country has gone stark raving mad!

BTW, warrior-poet the word you are looking for and is less crass is “flatus”. 😉

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Appreciate the feedback! Thanks kspkap.

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So then what is your solution?

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TL;DR: I'm not sure there is one. But…

There's a number of tried-and-true mitigating measures that help, a couple mentioned above, including:

1.) Open air flow, i.e. alleviate recycled air (e.g. only gather outdoors, keep all windows open, etc.)
2.) Social distancing (e.g. maintain distance from other social groups, avoid intergroup gatherings in enclosed spaces)
3.) Sanitation (e.g. wash hands, Lysol everything, etc.); this virus is aerosolized, but can still reside on surfaces
4.) Quarantine if sick, or after being exposed to someone who's sick (ties into item 2 above)
5.) Time and evolution, i.e. ride it out while letting nature do its thing; to some extent we're at its mercy
6.) Avoid obfuscating real science with politically-tainted motivations and rhetoric disguised as science
7.) Don't fart (a juvenile joke, but there is speculation that flatulence could in fact transmit COVID-19)

Or, take the route Sweden did and power through it toward “herd immunity” at a cost of higher infection rates. A few places tried this, and I suppose there are some benefits to the social system as a whole, not to mention evolution itself (i.e. those with stronger immune systems propagate bloodlines with stronger immune systems, while the weak are weeded out), but I question the morality of that approach, and in the long run I think a lot of deaths could have been avoided in Sweden by doing the items above. On the other hand, Italy went the opposite direction and implemented hardline, extreme lockdowns, and yet experienced about a 20% higher mortality rate, indicating there are complex factors at play that aren’t fully understood.

Unfortunately, certain countries around the world went overboard, as did certain states and cities within the U.S., with the lockdowns to a counterproductive and self-destructive degree, throwing around futile restrictions like keeping gatherings down to certain arbitrary numbers of people (which is meaningless--any intermingling of disparate groups is a risk of a broader spread, kind of like an isolated firewalled LAN vs WAN), mandating masks that are ineffective, and arresting individual people out in the open in public places alone, etc. while destroying the economy in the process unnecessarily, and even possibly emboldening the spread by forcing locked down gatherings of people, or luring large compact gatherings even if outdoors, without having them tested first (e.g. elderly being forced into old folks homes, Trump’s rallies, etc.) Damn, that’s one long, run-on sentence.

In other words, barring some fantasy magic, there isn't a solution that's anywhere near 100% effective, but there are mitigating measures that help, established from past pandemics. Cloth masks weren't a viable component of any of those measures in this particular case due to the airborne, small size of this virus, and may very well have given people a false sense of security, which almost certainly lured people into situations where they were infected and/or became a spreader. A government funded mass production of N95 masks may have helped the spread, but they are very difficult to breath in and come with their own health concerns that may be just as bad as the virus itself if used on a mass scale for long periods of time. And yet, some medical professionals, whether through belief or social pressure, perpetuated falsehoods on both ends of the spectrum.

These are my own thoughts on the matter, anyway, formulated from all information I’m aware of.
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Australia made it illegal to make claims health benefits of wearing masks 20 year ago. Every paper and study published before March 2020 coincided with Australian laws.
- Masks do not prevent the spread of virus.
- They limit oxygen intake.
- They increase co2 levels.

This is science.

What we’ve been watching since March 2020 is politics. And as usual the democrat lemmings race to follow orders.

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They're ineffective if you wear them under your nose or if you touch your face contantly with dirty hands.

A thin bandana isn't a useful replacement either.

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Ban Stanford.

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Well they're obviously racists!!

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Thank you for posting this. I have never from day one thought masks were effective. I can't believe how easily people have been brainwashed into believing this garbage. Shame on Anthony Fauci for spreading such lies and scaring the world half to death.....he should be ashamed of himself.....

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